Urgent Help RTX 3060 vs RTX 3070

[RedhaRay]

ONLY 1 ITEM IS LEFT FROM EACH CARD
I'VE GOT A LITTLE TIME TO MAKE MY DECISION.

Hello, I'm about to upgrade my graphics card where money isn't an issue at all, I'm just looking for what would work best,

Asus RTX 3070 TUF OC
TUF-RTX3070-O8G-GAMING 8 GB GDDR6 256 Bit
Price: $1063

VS

Asus RTX 3060 V2 OC
DUAL-RTX3060-O12G-V2 12 GB GDDR6 192 Bit
Price: $720

few notes:
There is about $350 difference, again money isn't an issue,
but I'm worried about bottlenecks, please see specs below,
3060 TI is $850, has 8 GB, I would not prefer to go with it, It has less VRAM than 3060 and less powerful than 3070.
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Usage:
After Effects and Media Encoder,
on a daily basis, work with complex comps in AE
including short films, tracking, color correction etc...

Maxon Cinema 4D
modeling and view port performance
currently I'm not using a GPU based renderer, " maybe in the future"

AI based Apps,
such as Topaz video enhancer etc…

For gaming, I've got a different PC,
maybe very little gaming will be done on this card in the FAR future,

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Specs:
CPU: Core i7 6950X 10 cores 20 threads @ 3000-3400
Motherboard: Asus X99 A ii, PCI Gen 3 "both cards are gen 4"
Ram: 32 GB
GPU: Asus Strix RX 480 8 GB " the one I want to upgrade"
Power supply: 700w
SSD: 1 TB + 500 GB
HDD: 4 TB + 2 TB

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Questions:

How would the jump be from RX 480 8gb to any of these cards? Significant? Minimal?

Both cards are strong, while 3060 has 12 GB of VRAM,
but the 3070 is much more powerful with less VRAM,
which one out of the 2 is better for me? And why?, if possible

Will there be any bottleneck I should be worried about?
I'm not planning to upgrade anything else at the moment,

 

Or is it more wise to buy 3060 and add additional 32 GB of ram, so it's 64 GB in total, would that give me 2x the performance in after effects for example? Regarding this point i can't find the same ram i'm using, if i'm going with this option i'll be buying from the same brand but with diffent speed,

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I really would appreciate all the help I can get,
because I've got a very little time to make my decision,
because only 1 item is left of each card,
thanks.

Regrading pricing, I live outside the US, prices available in your region might be different, and I'm ok with these prices.

[Origami Cactus]

A jump from rx480 to any of those cards will be a big jump, thanks to Nvidia CUDA, you can use that as your GPU renderer.

If you don't edit 8k, the 8GB of rtx3070 should be enough.

No, going from 32gb to 64gb won't double any of your performance, 32gb should be enough in your workloads, so no improvement.

[berberries]

I'd get the 3070, C4D viewport i believe benefits from a faster GPU. I Believe in Ae with these GPUs you are more likely to be CPU or RAM Bound.

 

GPU Based rendering, the only one I'm familiar with is Arnold, 8GB of VRAM on my 2080S sometimes gets me insufficient memory errors on very heavy scenes with large textures, forcing me to switch to CPU. But I believe the 8GB is enough for most tasks. Overall I'd take the RTX 3070 over the RTX 3060

 

Upgrading from an RX 480 you will definitely gain a significant performance boost.

 

If you can I'd recommend you get the RTX 3070 and upgrade to 64GB Ram (I have 128GB and Ae still chugs due to lack of memory at times) Try to match ram if you can, otherwise maybe get a new 64GB kit and sell your old one to cover some of the cost

[Docstaph]

3070 is significantly faster, despite its limited VRAM

If you want more VRAM as opposed to faster VRAM; AMD is always an option

3060 is not worth 700 dollars IMO if you are going to spend in that price bracket might as well buy once cry once.

AMD cards are cheaper and have more VRAM you can get a 6900xt for the price of a 3070 right now.

[berberries]

2 minutes ago, Origami Cactus said:

No, going from 32gb to 64gb won't double any of your performance, 32gb should be enough in your workloads, so no improvement.

Depends, More RAM allows for more caching and faster scrubbing through complex Ae Sequences. People who use Ae heavily can never have enough ram

[Origami Cactus]

2 minutes ago, Docstaph said:

3070 is significantly faster, despite its limited VRAM

If you want more VRAM as opposed to faster VRAM; AMD is always an option

3060 is not worth 700 dollars IMO if you are going to spend in that price bracket might as well buy once cry once.

AMD cards are cheaper and have more VRAM you can get a 6900xt for the price of a 3070 right now.

Adobe programs really like Nvidia in lots of GPU acceleration workloads, so I wouldn't really get an AMD card for that, CUDA is just so widely used instead of OpenGL.

[berberries]

19 minutes ago, RedhaRay said:

Power supply: 700w

Just saw this, if you are getting an RTX 3070 please upgrade to at least a quality 850w unit like a Corsair RM850x, especially with your CPU

[berberries]

3 minutes ago, Origami Cactus said:

Adobe programs really like Nvidia in lots of GPU acceleration workloads, so I wouldn't really get an AMD card for that, CUDA is just so widely used instead of OpenGL.

Yup I second that, Adobe far favors Nvidia for GPU acceleration. Honestly most programs do. For non gaming applications there are very little situations where I would recommend an AMD card over Nvidia

[RedhaRay]

What a great support,
I'm really thankful guys, you are the best!
Too many helpful people, I really can't thank you enough,
I will reply to every single one of you in a moment,
 

just wondering if I get RTX 3070 will there be any bottleneck that will make RTX 3060 a better option since I'm using an older CPU " core i7 6950x 10c 20t @ 3000-3400"
 

from what I understood, VRAM is important in gaming and for rendering larger scenes,
I don't do GPU render in cinema 4d, but my scenes are big tho, and I'm not buying it for gaming, I might use it rarely for Oculus Rift S for VR gaming that's it,
 

 and speed of the card is important for editing and effects  and viewport and plugins like element 3d etc. faster preview in timeline using h264 most often in after effects... you get the idea, this is what I want.
 

Generally everything I do wither working or editing or even gaming is at 1080p, I don't need anything higher for now if that's help,

 

[RedhaRay]

Quote

 

For RTX 3060
with your Proc i7, bottle necking is 30%
While running graphic card intense tasks, processor Intel Core i7-6950X will be utilized 70.0%
and graphic card NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 will be utilized 100.0% .

For RTX 3070
While running graphic card intense tasks, processor Intel Core i7-6950X will be utilized 85.0% and graphic card NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 will be utilized 100.0% .

 

Here is an update,
this is a small chat I had with NVIDIA customer support,
he has chosen 3070 for my kind of work"after effects, media encoder, cinema 4d etc..." and he advised me to install studio version of the driver, shall I go with his answer?

[xg32]

28 minutes ago, RedhaRay said:

Here is an update,
this is a small chat I had with NVIDIA customer support,
he has chosen 3070 for my kind of work"after effects, media encoder, cinema 4d etc..." and he advised me to install studio version of the driver, shall I go with his answer?

the 3060ti has the same memory specs as the 3070 and was the best bang4buck gpu in the US for awhile,  there is very little chance that i'd pick either the 3060 or the 3070 when the 3060ti is available, but it depends on availability.

[RedhaRay]

17 hours ago, xg32 said:

the 3060ti has the same memory specs as the 3070 and was the best bang4buck gpu in the US for awhile,  there is very little chance that i'd pick either the 3060 or the 3070 when the 3060ti is available, but it depends on availability.

Thank you, I've found one,
Asus RTX 3060 Ti Dual Mini V2 OC LHR
DUAL-RTX3060TI-O8G-MINI-V2 8 GB
$850, while the 3070 ASUS TUF with 3 fans at $1064,
And the 3060 at $720,
between the 3060 TI and 3070 about $215, not that much,
so should I go for the RTX 3070?

 

[xg32]

it's a 10%~ difference between the 3060ti and 3070 in performance, but in gaming, not sure about ur app, so it's your call.

[RedhaRay]

@Origami Cactus @berberries @Docstaph @xg32

 

Thanks for the help guys, you are the best,
 
I've spoken with NVIDIA customer support regarding this,
and this is what they said,

 

Quote

 

For RTX 3060
with your Proc i7, bottle necking is 30%
While running graphic card intense tasks, processor Intel Core i7-6950X will be utilized 70.0%
and graphic card NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 will be utilized 100.0% .

 

For RTX 3070
While running graphic card intense tasks, processor Intel Core i7-6950X will be utilized 85.0% and graphic card NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 will be utilized 100.0% .

 

 

Everything I do is at 1080 both in after effects, premier, media encoder, C4D etc... I heard about an encoding function on these GPUs which speeds things up, which should come in handy in my use case,
 

I just don't want to waste an RTX 3070 where all I need is already achievable with the much cheaper RTX 3060,  bottle necking is one of my biggest concerns now, because depending on my PC the RTX 3060 might run better than the 3070, I'm not sure,

some even said that an RTX 3050,
would do exactly the same in my use case,
and I would appreciate any clarification regarding this point,
thank you.

Note: if I'm going with 3070 I'm going to post a new thread because I found 2 models from ASUS, and I'm not sure which one to get,
but first I would like to hear what you've got to say, so I can make my final decision,

[RedhaRay]

34 minutes ago, xg32 said:

it's a 10%~ difference between the 3060ti and 3070 in performance, but in gaming, not sure about ur app, so it's your call.

the model of the 3070 i mentioned was sold 1 hour ago,
they still have
 

RTX 3070 Noctua OC Edition
RTX3070-O8G-NOCTUA 8 GB GDDR6
 

it's a very big card, if i pay extra 50 i can get the 3070 ti,
but my power supply is 700 w and i'm not upgrading it now,
should i buy the 3070 Noctua OC Edition or the 3070 ti?

 

 

[Origami Cactus]

1 hour ago, RedhaRay said:

@Origami Cactus @berberries @Docstaph @xg32

 

Thanks for the help guys, you are the best,
 
I've spoken with NVIDIA customer support regarding this,
and this is what they said,

 

 

Everything I do is at 1080 both in after effects, premier, media encoder, C4D etc... I heard about an encoding function on these GPUs which speeds things up, which should come in handy in my use case,
 

I just don't want to waste an RTX 3070 where all I need is already achievable with the much cheaper RTX 3060,  bottle necking is one of my biggest concerns now, because depending on my PC the RTX 3060 might run better than the 3070, I'm not sure,

some even said that an RTX 3050,
would do exactly the same in my use case,
and I would appreciate any clarification regarding this point,
thank you.

Note: if I'm going with 3070 I'm going to post a new thread because I found 2 models from ASUS, and I'm not sure which one to get,
but first I would like to hear what you've got to say, so I can make my final decision,

3060,3060ti will be fine for your usecase, and a million time faster than your current rx480, so purchase whatever is the closest to the msrp.

[RedhaRay]

1 hour ago, Origami Cactus said:

3060,3060ti will be fine for your usecase, and a million time faster than your current rx480, so purchase whatever is the closest to the msrp.

@Origami Cactus

Thank you,
I've sent you a  message if you can take a look at your inbox

[RedhaRay]

Hi, as a final update, I ended up buying ASUS TUF Gaming RTX 3080 V2 OC Edition Graphics Card.

I hope it will benefit me for my use case, thank you all for your efforts and help.

[berberries]

3 hours ago, RedhaRay said:

Hi, as a final update, I ended up buying ASUS TUF Gaming RTX 3080 V2 OC Edition Graphics Card.

I hope it will benefit me for my use case, thank you all for your efforts and help.

Sorry haven't been on the forum yesterday and wasn't able to reply. Glad you managed to pick a GPU in the end. But getting an RTX 3080 in your case is a little worrying, seeing you only have a 700w PSU and on top of that you are running an old power hungry intel HEDT chip.

 

Your system will likely post fine, but if both your CPU and GPU are hit at the same time (very possible in after effects) you may encounter 4 scenarios.

 

Scenario 1: When both CPU and GPU are hit hard, system may shut off outright. This will likely be the Over-Current Protection (OCP) of the PSU kicking in, as your configuration is easily capable of drawing way more than 700w.

 

Scenario 2: When both CPU and GPU are hit hard, you may encounter BSOD. This is likely OCP not yet kicking in but your PSU isn't capable of supplying stable enough power above its rated current draw.

 

Scenario 3: When both CPU and GPU are hit hard, nothing happens at first. But this is likely the worst scenario, as there may be something wrong but you just don't know it yet. If your PSU is providing a constant load well above it's rated output and your system doesn't BSOD or OCP doesn't kick in shutting it off, there is a chance that components in the PSU or even the cables may overheat (working over its intended output) and eventually melt, causing a short taking out your PSU or worse. In this scenario you really won't know that anything has gone wrong until it goes catastrophically wrong. But on quality PSU units OCP should kick in before any of this happens.

 

Scenario 4: Your PSU is built like a tank and capable of well more than what it is rated for and nothing happens. This is the best case scenario but I won't put my money on it.

 

My suggestion: Nvidia recommends a minimum 750w PSU for the RTX 3080. With you also running a hefty old HEDT i7 which draws alot more power than consumer desktop chips, I'd even recommend a good 850w unit like a Corsair RM850x, Seasonic GX-850, MSI MPG A850GF etc. 850w may not even be enough. I believe it was mentioned in some of LTT's Intel Extreme Tech Upgrade, some of them with 850w PSUs had their systems shut off during gaming as the RTX 3080 pulls way more power than rated causing the PSU's OCP to kick in.