Intel 12th Gen Coming Soon! Any thoughts?

[MechWill]

Show what's on your mind about 12th Gen.

[Guest]

It's going to be hella expensive. 

[MechWill]

2 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

It's going to be hella expensive. 

Pricing's actually not that bad.

[Guest]

Just now, MechWill said:

Pricing's actually not that bad.

It's a DDR5 platform..... though bro. 

 

And what if we get some 4090 ti's to throw money at?? 

 

I'll be cashing in retirement funds!

[Shimejii]

Expensive, Gimicky, Orchestrated performance against AMD with Windows 11. 

 

I have a feeling Big little on Desktop is gonna take a while before it becomes something thats a noticeable difference.

[xg32]

heres my guess relative to the leaks, it barely eeks out a win in gaming, buggy but not as bad as zen 1, horrendous power draw 300w+, and loses in multithread, 

 

ddr5 7200~ vs ddr4 4400~ i have no idea about, very interested in that

[crazyfrog]

The LTT video was a lot to take in I got confused when they said thread director works like speed shift.

 

Skip to 6:00 for the interesting lag graph. On a 144hz monitor I noticed a difference moving from 4.x ghz haswell to newer lake processors.

 

[Montana One-Six]

My guess would be its not as bad as people make it out to be but also not as amazing as maybe some others might think.

One thing I learned over the years is that adopting early is usually not a good idea and this time its early adoption times two ( first time big.little and first ddr5 platform).

So I honestly don't really care much at all?

 

Still kinda interested to see the 3rd party benchmarks though.

[Guest]

17 minutes ago, xg32 said:

heres my guess relative to the leaks, it barely eeks out a win in gaming, buggy but not as bad as zen 1, horrendous power draw 300w+, and loses in multithread, 

 

ddr5 7200~ vs ddr4 4400~ i have no idea about, very interested in that

Lol, that's a good old Intel chip for ya. 300+ watts man. Love it.

[MechWill]

1 hour ago, ShrimpBrime said:

It's a DDR5 platform..... though bro. 

 

And what if we get some 4090 ti's to throw money at?? 

 

I'll be cashing in retirement funds!

True! Power draw is getting too high nowadays, like the 4090 is expected to draw around 500W of power and if you pair that with a 12900K you need a 1200W 80+ Titanium power supply for such a fat pc, not to mention the energy bills. I meant the price for the cpu itself is not too bad... Imagine the motherboard costs though   Liquid nitrogen is required for things like that.

[Guest]

48 minutes ago, MechWill said:

True! Power draw is getting too high nowadays, like the 4090 is expected to draw around 500W of power and if you pair that with a 12900K you need a 1200W 80+ Titanium power supply for such a fat pc, not to mention the energy bills. I meant the price for the cpu itself is not too bad... Imagine the motherboard costs though   Liquid nitrogen is required for things like that.

The processors I think are low for Intel pricing actually. Which is a good thing for us. Better than dropping a stack (1000 bucks) on a extreme chip or something like they was once charging like the 980X back in the day.

[Blademaster91]

18 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

The processors I think are low for Intel pricing actually. Which is a good thing for us. Better than dropping a stack (1000 bucks) on a extreme chip or something like they was once charging like the 980X back in the day.

The pricing is higher if compared to previous desktop CPU's,  alder lake extreme is probably going to be really expensive.

I expect there to be some bugs with alder lake, as anyone upgrading will also have to use windows 11 to get the big & little core optimization.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

The pricing is higher if compared to previous desktop CPU's,  alder lake extreme is probably going to be really expensive.

I expect there to be some bugs with alder lake, as anyone upgrading will also have to use windows 11 to get the big & little core optimization.

Found this in another thread laying around. Gives an idea of what to expect.

 

[Mister Woof]

It's already for sale on Newegg.

 

i5-12600KF is $319

i7-12700KF is $429

 

Slightly more expensive than the 5600x and 5800x respectively, but they both have 4 e-cores over their AMD competition.

 

These two SKUs seem compelling for their prices when compared to the 5600x and 5899x, presuming performance is what we are all expecting. With the increased IPC and extra cores, they should outperform the above AMD chips.

 

The i9-12900k is likely too expensive at $589, while still falling short of the comparably priced 5900x or more expensive 5950x, to be considered a good value.

 

That said, motherboards are more expensive and than their AMD counterparts and if you get a DDR5 variant, you'll spend more on DDR5.

 

Plus, you have the issue of limited cooler selection for the time being.

[jones177]

I will wait until I see what AMD comes up with.

 

I game at 4k 120hz on OLED TVs and I need more powerful GPUs before I need better CPUs. So right now I am back where I was in 2012 where my i7 2600k was doing fine but I needed to upgrade my GPU every cycle.  

That is not the case at 1440p since I am CPU bottlenecked in all titles tested so far with a 3080 ti. So 1440p has become the new 1080 p for me.

 

Saying that I am also down a computer so I will be getting something probably sometime next year.

[Tan3l6]

I might be compelled to try 12600K or 12700K. Depending what the benchmarks show after release. If the preliminary tests were done on W11 without performance patch on Ryzen, it might not be so great as one might think.

[xg32]

hopefully i can hold off the impulse til raptor lake/zen4, 6 more days for some ddr5 benchmarks

[Gohardgrandpa]

At the least I'd want an 8 core that's $384, motherboard $200+  ram who knows. Early adopter fees- priceless. 

 

This is something I'll gladly skip, I have no reason to upgrade. I am paying attention to it tho, interested how performance will be with this new big little setup. 

[Mister Woof]

24 minutes ago, Gohardgrandpa said:

At the least I'd want an 8 core that's $384, motherboard $200+  ram who knows. Early adopter fees- priceless. 

 

This is something I'll gladly skip, I have no reason to upgrade. I am paying attention to it tho, interested how performance will be with this new big little setup. 

In all honesty the $319 12600KF looks like the best value here.

 

6 P-cores with hyperthreading, 4 E-cores for overhead. 20MB L3 Cache. Won't need the most powerful/expensive motherboards, so a $200 Z690 with fast DDR4 should perform quite well.

it should be very competitive with the Ryzen 5 5600x, and if the windows scheduler can figure it out, it should outperform it. It should also put it pretty close to the 5800x overall as well.

[Gohardgrandpa]

39 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

In all honesty the $319 12600KF looks like the best value here.

 

6 P-cores with hyperthreading, 4 E-cores for overhead. 20MB L3 Cache. Won't need the most powerful/expensive motherboards, so a $200 Z690 with fast DDR4 should perform quite well.

it should be very competitive with the Ryzen 5 5600x, and if the windows scheduler can figure it out, it should outperform it. It should also put it pretty close to the 5800x overall as well.

Ive been waiting on actual info on these to come out. Hopefully the early adopter issues aren't too bad and the pricing on ram/motherboards aren't thru the roof 

[Mister Woof]

3 minutes ago, Gohardgrandpa said:

Ive been waiting on actual info on these to come out. Hopefully the early adopter issues aren't too bad and the pricing on ram/motherboards aren't thru the roof 

I am hopeful the scheduler and bugs won't be bad.

Motherboards...are already expensive. You can buy them now. Cheapest is like $200; although they look as beefy as mid-range Z590s. Could just be Intel spec prohibited the power delivery found on the bottom tier Z590s because they got so much heat from reviewers. And the change in Intel Spec to list Maximum boost TDP

[Blademaster91]

8 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

I am hopeful the scheduler and bugs won't be bad.

Motherboards...are already expensive. You can buy them now. Cheapest is like $200; although they look as beefy as mid-range Z590s. Could just be Intel spec prohibited the power delivery found on the bottom tier Z590s because they got so much heat from reviewers. And the change in Intel Spec to list Maximum boost TDP

I'm curious to see how much the e-cores can handle, those would be nice if it works well enough to handle all the OS background tasks to let the P-cores run a game.

I'd rather stick to windows 10 though, I didn't like some things with w11, some are nitpicky like the right click menus being too simplified, but thats something I still use.

But I miss when a decent board was $150, the cheapest boards on Z690 are DDR4 only and don't really have that many features. And I don't see much point in trying to spend less on a new build as GPU's are the most expensive part of a build anyway.

[Mister Woof]

15 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

I'm curious to see how much the e-cores can handle, those would be nice if it works well enough to handle all the OS background tasks to let the P-cores run a game.

I'd rather stick to windows 10 though, I didn't like some things with w11, some are nitpicky like the right click menus being too simplified, but thats something I still use.

But I miss when a decent board was $150, the cheapest boards on Z690 are DDR4 only and don't really have that many features. And I don't see much point in trying to spend less on a new build as GPU's are the most expensive part of a build anyway.

If I were building, I'd get the i7-12700KF with a $240ish DDR5 mobo. But unless there's more than 20% gain in gaming over my 10900KF, I won't feel compelled to get it.

That said, I've been on W11 for a few months now without any significant complaints other than the secondary display clock.

[Gohardgrandpa]

9 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

If I were building, I'd get the i7-12700KF with a $240ish DDR5 mobo. But unless there's more than 20% gain in gaming over my 10900KF, I won't feel compelled to get it.

That said, I've been on W11 for a few months now without any significant complaints other than the secondary display clock.

Even with a 20% gain I wouldn't switch from what I have. I play siege most of the time and that runs over 250fps on my ultrawide with high settings. I have no reason to upgrade but I am interested in seeing how this goes. 

[Mister Woof]

2 minutes ago, Gohardgrandpa said:

Even with a 20% gain I wouldn't switch from what I have. I play siege most of the time and that runs over 250fps on my ultrawide with high settings. I have no reason to upgrade but I am interested in seeing how this goes. 

I mostly play FF14 and whatever games happen to interest me on Xbox Gamepass. Recently it was Back 4 Blood, but that game isn't very demanding.

 

Hopefully I can hang onto the 10900K for a few more years. I'm looking at around 2023-24 maybe, that will get me the same 3 years out of this as I got out of the 8700k.