Help on deciding which CPU to get

[Rakkzo]

Hello!

 

I've found a prebuilt PC which is within my budget. But I'm also able to replace some parts on the standard configuration. One of those are the CPU.

 

I've seen a lot of comments about how you should choose the Ryzen 7 5800x over the i7 11700KF. But in my area the i7 seems to be around 70 USD cheaper than the Ryzen. And the MB's are roughly the same price. Should I still consider getting the Ryzen or will I settle just fine with the i7?

 

My current PC specs:

EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 SC Gaming

Intel Core i5-7400 Kaby Lake Processor with Stock Cooler

Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 2400MHz 16GB

ASUS Prime B250M-Plus BULK, Socket-1151

Kingston SSDNow UV400 240GB 2.5" SSD OEM

 

The specification I've looked at buying:

Phanteks Eclipse P400A RGB White
ASUS GeForce RTX3080 TUF Gaming OC V2
Intel Core i7-11700KF Prosessor, Tray
Corsair H100x Liquid CPU Cooler
Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO DDR4 3600MHz 16GB
Kingston A2000 1TB NVMe M.2 SSD
ASUS ROG Strix Z590-A GAMING WIFI motherboard
Corsair RM750x, 750W PSU

 

What do you guys think?

 

Thanks in advance!

 

Best regards

Rakkzo

 

[jaslion]

2 minutes ago, Rakkzo said:

Hello!

 

I've found a prebuilt PC which is within my budget. But I'm also able to replace some parts on the standard configuration. One of those are the CPU.

 

I've seen a lot of comments about how you should choose the Ryzen 7 5800x over the i7 11700KF. But in my area the i7 seems to be around 70 USD cheaper than the Ryzen. And the MB's are roughly the same price. Should I still consider getting the Ryzen or will I settle just fine with the i7?

 

My current PC specs:

EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 SC Gaming

Intel Core i5-7400 Kaby Lake Processor with Stock Cooler

Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 2400MHz 16GB

ASUS Prime B250M-Plus BULK, Socket-1151

Kingston SSDNow UV400 240GB 2.5" SSD OEM

 

The specification I've looked at buying:

Phanteks Eclipse P400A RGB White
ASUS GeForce RTX3080 TUF Gaming OC V2
Intel Core i7-11700KF Prosessor, Tray
Corsair H100x Liquid CPU Cooler
Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO DDR4 3600MHz 16GB
Kingston A2000 1TB NVMe M.2 SSD
ASUS ROG Strix Z590-A GAMING WIFI motherboard
Corsair RM750x, 750W PSU

 

What do you guys think?

 

Thanks in advance!

 

Best regards

Rakkzo

 

Psu a bit weak for the 3080. Msi mpg 850w costs the same but will do.

Board is like super overpriced you can easily do with one half the price and not notice a single difference what so ever.

Just get some trident z it's usuall a lot cheaper than vengeance pro ram.

 

[Rakkzo]

11 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Psu a bit weak for the 3080. Msi mpg 850w costs the same but will do.

Board is like super overpriced you can easily do with one half the price and not notice a single difference what so ever.

Just get some trident z it's usuall a lot cheaper than vengeance pro ram.

 

Thanks! Yes found some other parts that could take down the price a bit as well. Unfortunately could not find any Trident Z. Swapped the GPU, MB and PSU. Is the Gainward GPU worth getting instead of the ASUS one? These changes brings down the price about 330 USD.

 

Updated build:
Phanteks Eclipse P400A RGB White
Gainward GeForce RTX 3080 Phoenix 10GB
Intel Core i7-11700KF Prosessor, Tray
Corsair H100x Liquid CPU Kylare
Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO DDR4 3600MHz 16GB
Kingston A2000 1TB NVMe M.2 SSD
ASUS ROG Strix B560-F GAMING WIFI motherboard
Corsair RM850x, 850W PSU

[SavageNeo]

2 minutes ago, Rakkzo said:

Thanks! Yes found some other parts that could take down the price a bit as well. Unfortunately could not find any Trident Z. Swapped the GPU, MB and PSU. Is the Gainward GPU worth getting instead of the ASUS one? Brings down the price about 330 USD.

 

Updated build:
Phanteks Eclipse P400A RGB White
Gainward GeForce RTX 3080 Phoenix 10GB
Intel Core i7-11700KF Prosessor, Tray
Corsair H100x Liquid CPU Kylare
Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO DDR4 3600MHz 16GB
Kingston A2000 1TB NVMe M.2 SSD
ASUS ROG Strix B560-F GAMING WIFI motherboard
Corsair RM850x, 850W PSU

i would go for AMD instead. 11700kf is an oven. also would nto go for 100x since there are better air coolers than that. or better liquod coolers too liek arctic freezer II

[xg32]

11 minutes ago, Rakkzo said:

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Updated build:
Phanteks Eclipse P400A RGB White
Gainward GeForce RTX 3080 Phoenix 10GB
Intel Core i7-11700KF Prosessor, Tray
Corsair H100x Liquid CPU Kylare
Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO DDR4 3600MHz 16GB
Kingston A2000 1TB NVMe M.2 SSD
ASUS ROG Strix B560-F GAMING WIFI motherboard
Corsair RM850x, 850W PSU

 

that AIO is a bit weak for a 11700k, you'd also get more out of ur 3080 with a 5900x instead, also consider 32gb of ram in a dual rank setup

[Pixelfie]

9 minutes ago, Rakkzo said:

Thanks! Yes found some other parts that could take down the price a bit as well. Unfortunately could not find any Trident Z. Swapped the GPU, MB and PSU. Is the Gainward GPU worth getting instead of the ASUS one? These changes brings down the price about 330 USD.

 

Updated build:
Phanteks Eclipse P400A RGB White
Gainward GeForce RTX 3080 Phoenix 10GB
Intel Core i7-11700KF Prosessor, Tray
Corsair H100x Liquid CPU Kylare
Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO DDR4 3600MHz 16GB
Kingston A2000 1TB NVMe M.2 SSD
ASUS ROG Strix B560-F GAMING WIFI motherboard
Corsair RM850x, 850W PSU

Looks solid, but I would change back to a Z590 or change to an 11700F. Right now you're buying an overclocking CPU for a motherboard that doesn't support overclocking

[17030644]

43 minutes ago, Rakkzo said:

Hello!

 

I've found a prebuilt PC which is within my budget. But I'm also able to replace some parts on the standard configuration. One of those are the CPU.

 

I've seen a lot of comments about how you should choose the Ryzen 7 5800x over the i7 11700KF. But in my area the i7 seems to be around 70 USD cheaper than the Ryzen. And the MB's are roughly the same price. Should I still consider getting the Ryzen or will I settle just fine with the i7?

 

My current PC specs:

EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 SC Gaming

Intel Core i5-7400 Kaby Lake Processor with Stock Cooler

Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 2400MHz 16GB

ASUS Prime B250M-Plus BULK, Socket-1151

Kingston SSDNow UV400 240GB 2.5" SSD OEM

 

The specification I've looked at buying:

Phanteks Eclipse P400A RGB White
ASUS GeForce RTX3080 TUF Gaming OC V2
Intel Core i7-11700KF Prosessor, Tray
Corsair H100x Liquid CPU Cooler
Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO DDR4 3600MHz 16GB
Kingston A2000 1TB NVMe M.2 SSD
ASUS ROG Strix Z590-A GAMING WIFI motherboard
Corsair RM750x, 750W PSU

 

What do you guys think?

 

Thanks in advance!

 

Best regards

Rakkzo

 

11700k/kf chips are meh, unless you get a deal on 'em

[Rakkzo]

14 minutes ago, SavageNeo said:

i would go for AMD instead. 11700kf is an oven. also would nto go for 100x since there are better air coolers than that. or better liquod coolers too liek arctic freezer II

 

6 minutes ago, xg32 said:

 

that AIO is a bit weak for a 11700k, you'd also get more out of ur 3080 with a 5900x instead, also consider 32gb of ram in a dual rank setup

 

6 minutes ago, Pixelfie said:

Looks solid, but I would change back to a Z590 or change to an 11700F. Right now you're buying an overclocking CPU for a motherboard that doesn't support overclocking

Thanks all for your input!

 

Haha yeah that wasn't very smart of me! Could not find any i7-11700F unfortunately. But there was an i9-11900F. Is it worth it? The price was like 8 USD more.

 

Did try to step the cooler up a bit as well. Could not find any Arctic Freezer. Found two different ones from Corsair. The pricier one is in the AMD build.

 

I've ended up with these two builds now:

 

AMD(It is quite a bit over my budget)

Phanteks Eclipse P400A RGB White
ASUS GeForce RTX3080 TUF Gaming OC V2
AMD Ryzen 7 5800X Processor
Corsair iCUE H150i RGB PRO XT
Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO DDR4 3600MHz 16GB
Kingston A2000 1TB NVMe M.2 SSD
ASUS ROG Strix X570-F GAMING, S-AM4
Corsair RM850x, 850W PSU

 

Intel

Phanteks Eclipse P400A RGB White
Gainward GeForce RTX 3080 Phoenix 10GB
Intel Core i9-11900F Processor or Intel Core i7-11700KF
Corsair iCUE H100i RGB PRO XT
Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO DDR4 3600MHz 16GB
Kingston A2000 1TB NVMe M.2 SSD
ASUS ROG Strix B560-F GAMING WIFI moderkort
Corsair RM850x, 850W PSU

 

There is a bit of a price difference with the GPU with the ASUS being the pricier one. Is it worth going for the ASUS?

[SavageNeo]

Just now, Rakkzo said:

There is a bit of a price difference with the GPU with the ASUS being the pricier one. Is it worth going for the ASUS?

how much does the gpus and the systems cost actually?

 

5800x is pretty much equal to 11900f.

[Rakkzo]

5 minutes ago, SavageNeo said:

how much does the gpus and the systems cost actually?

 

5800x is pretty much equal to 11900f.

Intel one is around 3100 USD and AMD is 3500 USD.

 

The core spec unmodified costs around 2800 USD. With these specs:

 

Phanteks Eclipse P400A RGB White
Gainward GeForce RTX 3080 Phoenix 10GB
Intel Core i9-11900 Processor, Tray
Cooler Master Hyper 212 ARGB Black
Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro Black, 3200MHz 16GB
Kingston A2000 1TB NVMe M.2 SSD
ASUS ROG Strix B560-F GAMING WIFI moderkort
Corsair TX750M, 750W PSU

Edited September 2, 2021 by Rakkzo

[SavageNeo]

Just now, Rakkzo said:

Intel one is around 3100 USD and AMD is 3500 USD.

go for the intel build then

[tishous]

5 minutes ago, Rakkzo said:

 

 

Thanks all for your input!

 

Haha yeah that wasn't very smart of me! Could not find any i7-11700F unfortunately. But there was an i9-11900F. Is it worth it? The price was like 8 USD more.

 

Did try to step the cooler up a bit as well. Could not find any Arctic Freezer. Found two different ones from Corsair. The pricier one is in the AMD build.

 

I've ended up with these two builds now:

 

AMD(It is quite a bit over my budget)

Phanteks Eclipse P400A RGB White
ASUS GeForce RTX3080 TUF Gaming OC V2
AMD Ryzen 7 5800X Processor
Corsair iCUE H150i RGB PRO XT
Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO DDR4 3600MHz 16GB
Kingston A2000 1TB NVMe M.2 SSD
ASUS ROG Strix X570-F GAMING, S-AM4
Corsair RM850x, 850W PSU

 

Intel

Phanteks Eclipse P400A RGB White
Gainward GeForce RTX 3080 Phoenix 10GB
Intel Core i9-11900F Processor or Intel Core i7-11700KF
Corsair iCUE H100i RGB PRO XT
Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO DDR4 3600MHz 16GB
Kingston A2000 1TB NVMe M.2 SSD
ASUS ROG Strix B560-F GAMING WIFI moderkort
Corsair RM850x, 850W PSU

 

There is a bit of a price difference with the GPU with the ASUS being the pricier one. Is it worth going for the ASUS?

Generally the 11700 and its variants and 11900 and its variants are overpriced. I would just go for an i9-10850k which can be found on sale for $350 or under pretty regularly. The performace would be basically identical as it's basically an i9-10900k and if you look at reviews, the 10900k sometimes even outperforms the 11th gen chips (also equal to a 5800x in gaming with an extra 2 cores).

 

If you go with this, your Intel build would be pretty much perfect in my opinion. Not sure about the GPU model, but honestly the best GPU is the one in stock at a reasonable price, so it doesn't matter if it runs 5C hotter than the ASUS one for example.

[Rakkzo]

10 minutes ago, SavageNeo said:

go for the intel build then

 

10 minutes ago, tishous said:

Generally the 11700 and its variants and 11900 and its variants are overpriced. I would just go for an i9-10850k which can be found on sale for $350 or under pretty regularly. The performace would be basically identical as it's basically an i9-10900k and if you look at reviews, the 10900k sometimes even outperforms the 11th gen chips (also equal to a 5800x in gaming with an extra 2 cores).

 

If you go with this, your Intel build would be pretty much perfect in my opinion. Not sure about the GPU model, but honestly the best GPU is the one in stock at a reasonable price, so it doesn't matter if it runs 5C hotter than the ASUS one for example.

Thanks for a good explanation about this!

 

Could not find any 10th gen CPU's  Would you recommend an 11th gen i9 or i7 then? Cannot get the i7-11700F though. Only the i7-11700KF. Does it matter if I go with the cheaper MB  B560-F in that case?

 

Latest build:

Phanteks Eclipse P400A RGB White
ASUS GeForce RTX3080 TUF Gaming OC V2
Intel Core i7-11700KF Prosessor, Tray
Corsair iCUE H150i RGB PRO XT
Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO DDR4 3600MHz 16GB
Kingston A2000 1TB NVMe M.2 SSD
ASUS ROG Strix B560-F GAMING WIFI moderkort
Corsair RM850x, 850W PSU

Edited September 2, 2021 by Rakkzo

[tishous]

Just now, Rakkzo said:

Could not find any 10th gen CPU's  Would you recommend an 11th gen i9 or i7 then? Cannot get the i7-11700F though. Only the i7-11700KF. Does it matter if I go with the cheaper MB  B560-F in that case?

The 11700KF just means you can overclock it, but with the boost algorithms they use nowadays, overclocking doesn't really improve performance all that much. With that being said, the 11700(k)(f) is much better value than the 11900. 

 

The motherboard depends on the VRM and chipset cooling. As previously said, the 11th gen chips run very hot, so the motherboards need to be beefy. Usually (but not always) z590 boards have better cooling. I would suggest looking at Hardward Unboxed's motherboard reviews and see which one is good enough and also fits in your budget.

[xg32]

20 minutes ago, Rakkzo said:

Intel one is around 3100 USD and AMD is 3500 USD.

 

The core spec unmodified costs around 2800 USD. With these specs:

 

Phanteks Eclipse P400A RGB White
Gainward GeForce RTX 3080 Phoenix 10GB
Intel Core i9-11900 Processor, Tray
Cooler Master Hyper 212 ARGB Black
Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro Black, 3200MHz 16GB
Kingston A2000 1TB NVMe M.2 SSD
ASUS ROG Strix B560-F GAMING WIFI moderkort
Corsair TX750M, 750W PSU

20 minutes ago, Rakkzo said:

Intel one is around 3100 USD and AMD is 3500 USD.

i just can't help but to think that something will be scuffed with a b560 and a 11900, there's also a chance that the power limits will chock the cpu and the gpu wihout a deep dive into the bios, the 5800x will give u more performance while consuming less power overall.

 

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X vs Intel Core i9-11900K — Test in 10 Games! [1080p, 1440p] - YouTube

 

a couple of things i have to stress is that the 11th gen chips run REALLY hot and i mean really hot even compared to any other modern chip, if you do pair it with a b560 board generally there's a power limit in place but u are also spending 3k+ on the build. iirc a stock 5800x draws around 135w and a 11700k/11900k can go up to 250-300w, it's ridiculous.

 

I just can't recommend the intel build with a b560 board with a 3080, there's a also a higher chance of problems over the amd build in this case.

[Rakkzo]

8 minutes ago, tishous said:

The 11700KF just means you can overclock it, but with the boost algorithms they use nowadays, overclocking doesn't really improve performance all that much. With that being said, the 11700(k)(f) is much better value than the 11900. 

 

The motherboard depends on the VRM and chipset cooling. As previously said, the 11th gen chips run very hot, so the motherboards need to be beefy. Usually (but not always) z590 boards have better cooling. I would suggest looking at Hardward Unboxed's motherboard reviews and see which one is good enough and also fits in your budget.

 

4 minutes ago, xg32 said:

i just can't help but to think that something will be scuffed with a b560 and a 11900, there's also a chance that the power limits will chock the cpu and the gpu wihout a deep dive into the bios, the 5800x will give u more performance while consuming less power overall.

 

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X vs Intel Core i9-11900K — Test in 10 Games! [1080p, 1440p] - YouTube

 

a couple of things i have to stress is that the 11th gen chips run REALLY hot and i mean really hot even compared to any other modern chip, if you do pair it with a b560 board generally there's a power limit in place but u are also spending 3k+ on the build. iirc a stock 5800x draws around 135w and a 11700k/11900k can go up to 250-300w, it's ridiculous.

 

I just can't recommend the intel build with a b560 board with a 3080.

Thanks you a lot guys for your input!

 

Will try to look in to the MB stuff a bit more and see if there is anything I can do to make the Intel system more robust. I guess it will also effect the price a bit.

 

That makes me thinking that the AMD build might be more worth in terms of the systems quality and lifespan. I know it is a bit over my budget. But if it is a better solution I'm definitely willing to invest in that.

 

The one thing that's worrying me on top of this is if it's the right time to actually buy a PC. Been on and off on buying a new PC the last 2 years. Skipped the last generation.

 

It is always the same reasoning with me I guess. But is this an exceptionally bad time to buy? Read the other day that prices might go up more with the chip prices being raised around 20%.

[tishous]

1 minute ago, Rakkzo said:

The one thing that's worrying me on top of this is if it's the right time to actually buy a PC. Been on and off on buying a new PC the last 2 years. Skipped the last generation.

 

It is always the same reasoning with me I guess. But is this an exceptionally bad time to buy? Read the other day that prices might go up more with the chip prices being raised around 20%.

I get that. The feeling of "if I wait one more year the next gen GPUs will be out then I'll buy!" then once it gets to the next year, new CPUs are just around the corner so might as well wait. At some point you just kind of have to say screw it and do it.

 

If you don't NEED a PC right now, waiting is always an option. With DDR5 coming out along with next gen CPUs and GPUs, as well as hopefully a less supply constrained market, you'd likely get a lot more bang for your buck than now. However, we don't know when these next generation parts are going to be released and that's assuming DDR5 memory will be affordable by then which is kind of unlikely. It could end up being another 2 years and now you've gone another 2 years without a PC.

[Rakkzo]

30 minutes ago, tishous said:

I get that. The feeling of "if I wait one more year the next gen GPUs will be out then I'll buy!" then once it gets to the next year, new CPUs are just around the corner so might as well wait. At some point you just kind of have to say screw it and do it.

 

If you don't NEED a PC right now, waiting is always an option. With DDR5 coming out along with next gen CPUs and GPUs, as well as hopefully a less supply constrained market, you'd likely get a lot more bang for your buck than now. However, we don't know when these next generation parts are going to be released and that's assuming DDR5 memory will be affordable by then which is kind of unlikely. It could end up being another 2 years and now you've gone another 2 years without a PC.

Yeah that's spot on. Totally agree. It's like an infinite loop that I have to break sooner or later.

 

I've also considered maybe going for a more budget friendly build instead. To upgrade with new components later on. But there I'm a bit lost on what I should be aiming for.

 

Or maybe it is an option to upgrade the existing PC with a new MB, CPU and RAM. But that might result in a new case and so on. And the GPU probably wont be able to drive newer and upcoming game titles.

 

Realized that my initial post did not really contained any actual use cases. Maybe it was implied based on the compontents  So the main use for this PC will primarily be for gaming and some amature music production.

[Rakkzo]

If I go with the AMD build, is there anything that you think should be changed?

 

Phanteks Eclipse P400A RGB White
ASUS GeForce RTX3080 TUF Gaming OC V2
AMD Ryzen 7 5800X Processor
Corsair iCUE H150i RGB PRO XT
Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO DDR4 3600MHz 16GB
Kingston A2000 1TB NVMe M.2 SSD
ASUS ROG Strix X570-F GAMING, S-AM4
Corsair RM850x, 850W PSU

[Gohardgrandpa]

Better check and see if that asus board has the intel i225-v lan controller, it sucks. I seriously get half of my internet speed download wise and had to buy a pci network card.

[Rakkzo]

2 hours ago, Gohardgrandpa said:

Better check and see if that asus board has the intel i225-v lan controller, it sucks. I seriously get half of my internet speed download wise and had to buy a pci network card.

Oh that's not good. Thanks for the information! Yes that board did have the i225-v lan controller.

 

Edit: My bad, looked at the wrong MB. The one in my build had Intel I211-AT. Is that one ok?

Edited September 2, 2021 by Rakkzo

[Rakkzo]

Do you think the cooler Corsair iCUE H150i RGB PRO XT will be enough for the GPU and CPU?

[xg32]

2 hours ago, Rakkzo said:

Do you think the cooler Corsair iCUE H150i RGB PRO XT will be enough for the GPU and CPU?

yes generally a 360mm aio is good for all cpus

[Gohardgrandpa]

2 hours ago, Rakkzo said:

Do you think the cooler Corsair iCUE H150i RGB PRO XT will be enough for the GPU and CPU?

I use a Corsair h115i RGB pro. It's a 280mm rad on a i7 11700f. In cinebench with no power limits on the cpu it pulls 190-198 watts and stays under 65c. 

 

The Corsair aio coolers are good. 

[SavageNeo]

11 hours ago, Rakkzo said:

If I go with the AMD build, is there anything that you think should be changed?

 

Phanteks Eclipse P400A RGB White
ASUS GeForce RTX3080 TUF Gaming OC V2
AMD Ryzen 7 5800X Processor
Corsair iCUE H150i RGB PRO XT
Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO DDR4 3600MHz 16GB
Kingston A2000 1TB NVMe M.2 SSD
ASUS ROG Strix X570-F GAMING, S-AM4
Corsair RM850x, 850W PSU

i would hcange the case to P500A. 360mm aio only fits at the fornt of the P400A, and then you probably do not have space for rtx 3080.

 

in P500A you can mount the AIO at the top for exhaust, as i have done with my P500A and 360mm aio