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some electronics books/source that doesn't keep adding cultural bullshits?

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introduction to atoms -> start talking about how old greek philosophist had predict something like atoms, old and antiquated theories (such as dalton's atom theory), about who make this theory, and all stuff that I don't care about and useful information is just on 2 sentenced while you do need to find them in hundred of sentences of useless text making you wasting an endless amount of time

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Most books I encounter are like this and that's probably why I hate using books as resources of info. Do you have more specific than electronic books? That's pretty broad 

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I would look for a used textbook, they typically divide up the different components into chapters and the history is often moved to a dedicated chapter unless it is very specific to another chapter. 

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9 minutes ago, 12345678 said:

introduction to atoms -> start talking about how old greek philosophist had predict something like atoms, old and antiquated theories (such as dalton's atom theory),

It's called history, not cultural bullshit. Science is about why things work the way they do as much as how theories (even ones that turned out to be incorrect) shaped our view and guided our research. Giving you this gives you both context of how we arrived at what we now think is correct, as well as teaching you the evolution of thought processes. Even incorrect theories can be a useful stepping stone to the correct ones (e.g. the Bohr atomic model isn't completely correct, but still useful)

 

It's a book. It's literally made specifically to explain these things to you. If you don't care for it, just skip to the bits you want to read and just read those. A good textbook will still have the detail you are looking for. It's just that your knowledge will have no context.

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26 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Most books I encounter are like this and that's probably why I hate using books as resources of info. Do you have more specific than electronic books? That's pretty broad 

general electronics?

 

I'm not so sure about it myself

I can do some stuff with c, libraries, and basic formulas but I think that I do miss a lot of theorical informations

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2 minutes ago, 12345678 said:

general electronics?

 

I'm not so sure about it myself

I can do some stuff with c, libraries, and basic formulas but I think that I do miss a lot of informations

Do you mean electronics physically like things like ohms law, duty cycles, and SMDs. Or do you mean more computer science based like you mentioned with programming in C?

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3 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Do you mean electronics physically like things like ohms law, duty cycles, and SMDs. Or do you mean more computer science based like you mentioned with programming in C?

both

 

even a series of books/resources would be ok

 

as long they don't force me to read tons of usess text with little usefull content to it

 

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5 minutes ago, 12345678 said:

both

 

even a series of books/resources would be ok

 

as long they don't force me to read tons of usess text with little usefull content to it

 

How in depth do you want to go? Do you want to learn all the physics and math behind things?

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1 minute ago, BuckGup said:

How in depth do you want to go? Do you want to learn all the physics and math behind things?

I guess,  but I don't know until I do see it 

 

if you have a list of resources to share, you could make me a favor, then I'll look to them by myself...

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21 minutes ago, 12345678 said:

I guess,  but I don't know until I do see it 

 

if you have a list of resources to share, you could make me a favor, then I'll look to them by myself...

If you're interested in the underlying physics of everything (electrodynamics, Maxwell's equations etc), you can look at e.g. the Feynmann lectures. Keep in mind that that's more university level material aimed at students, so you will need to have a background in calculus and such to grasp it as they are pretty math heavy.

32 minutes ago, 12345678 said:

as long they don't force me to read tons of usess text with little usefull content to it

This is more general advice (not an electrical engineer, but am a scientist)., but you need to figure out and narrow down what you want to know then. There will be no single book that covers "electronics". When you asked this question you had an idea what electronics meant to you. You've already indicated this to mean both circuit stuff and computer science stuff to you, so now you have two separate fields that you want to read up on: electronics in a hardware sense, and computer science.

 

The next step would be to see which subjects in those fields interest you. It's like asking for a book about "physics". It's just too vast to be contained in a single or even a handful of books.

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29 minutes ago, 12345678 said:

I guess,  but I don't know until I do see it 

 

if you have a list of resources to share, you could make me a favor, then I'll look to them by myself...

I don't have a list of resources I'm just trying to narrow down what you want then I can suggest authors I know are good or more likely google the best books and see what reddit/others have to say about it. IMO I learn better when I have a project and that unearths specifics about subjects like electronics or comp sci. What's nice about that too is you only are learning what you want and find interesting so it's sorta self defining opposed to just electronics since that's so broad and are working backwards

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31 minutes ago, tikker said:

If you're interested in the underlying physics of everything (electrodynamics, Maxwell's equations etc), you can look at e.g. the Feynmann lectures.

I'll take a look thanks

31 minutes ago, tikker said:

Keep in mind that that's more university level material aimed at students, so you will need to have a background in calculus and such to grasp it as they are pretty math heavy.

This is more general advice (not an electrical engineer, but am a scientist)., but you need to figure out and narrow down what you want to know then. There will be no single book that covers "electronics". When you asked this question you had an idea what electronics meant to you. You've already indicated this to mean both circuit stuff and computer science stuff to you, so now you have two separate fields that you want to read up on: electronics in a hardware sense, and computer science.

 

The next step would be to see which subjects in those fields interest you. It's like asking for a book about "physics". It's just too vast to be contained in a single or even a handful of books.

at first I was consulting the bibliography of each (local) universities courses

but each book seemed to include "bullshits" too often as books not aimed for universities; 

so each time I did need to either work on that and summarize it or randomly google for other sources of the same subject untill I didn't find something that did pleasure me

 

also books of different fields do often intersect, I struggle to see that much of a difference between different fields, it seems that they do share the same pricipes but do more slightly aim to a different purpose

besides each universities/source seems to have an own view of what c.s (for example) means so there more are variables, and it keeps being more confusing

maybe a list of different fields might help? I don't really know

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50 minutes ago, 12345678 said:

but each book seemed to include "bullshits" too often as books not aimed for universities; 

so each time I did need to either work on that and summarize it or randomly google for other sources of the same subject untill I didn't find something that did pleasure me

This may sound pretentious, but that is quite honestly what learning is. You look at a source, study it lightly to judge whether you think it contains what you are after, then read it more carefully and either conclude you learned something or that it was not what you were looking for.

50 minutes ago, 12345678 said:

also books of different fields do often intersect, I struggle to see that much of a difference between different fields, it seems that they do share the same pricipes but do more slightly aim to a different purpose

Of course they intersect. It's not like engineering for cars has a different theory of gravity or aerodynamics compared to engineering for planes, for example, but they are different specific sub-fields of engineering with their own set of methods to consider. These can be surface level differences like a plane having a different shape compared to a car, to being "allowed" to take big short-cuts without repercussions in one case that would wreck the other. Say from an aerodynamical point of view for a car you can probably get away with the bare minimum of simulations using very simple approximations just so that you don't fabricate a inefficient brick shape, but a slightly less inefficient potato shape.  Don't do the proper simulations for a plane and it may not even take off at all.

50 minutes ago, 12345678 said:

besides each universities/source seems to have an own view of what c.s (for example) means so there more are variables, and it keeps being more confusing

maybe a list of different fields might help? I don't really know

Welcome to the front lines of science; where nothing works and nobody agrees. It can often seem like we've got it all figured out and that science is just a manual that we follow, but that's not the case. In reality there are many different points of view about how we think things work. That's how we progress. You say phenomenon X works through A, I say it works through B, then you test A, I test B, maybe vice versa, and we try to draw a conclusion from that. That conclusion can be anything from it's actually C to both A and B are equally likely and at this point in time almost personal preference.

 

The best I could do list wise is to just refer to Wikipedia or various universities on what they classify as their CS curriculum. Studying is highly nonlinear and starting something new is often the most difficult. I'd say just browse those lists and superficially explore each item, constantly putting it back in the context that spurred your curiosity: what is it that you were actually trying to figure out or learn about. Was it "how can my montior refresh 360 times per second !?" or was it "how does that enemy decide on the best path to get me?".

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The Art of Electronics is pretty widely regarded as the holy text of practical electronics. It covers the underlying theory that’s important for understanding the interesting stuff. But it does place emphasis on more practical knowledge and circuits. 

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11 hours ago, tikker said:

This may sound pretentious, but that is quite honestly what learning is. You look at a source, study it lightly to judge whether you think it contains what you are after, then read it more carefully and either conclude you learned something or that it was not what you were looking for.

Of course they intersect. It's not like engineering for cars has a different theory of gravity or aerodynamics compared to engineering for planes, for example, but they are different specific sub-fields of engineering with their own set of methods to consider. These can be surface level differences like a plane having a different shape compared to a car, to being "allowed" to take big short-cuts without repercussions in one case that would wreck the other. Say from an aerodynamical point of view for a car you can probably get away with the bare minimum of simulations using very simple approximations just so that you don't fabricate a inefficient brick shape, but a slightly less inefficient potato shape.  Don't do the proper simulations for a plane and it may not even take off at all.

Welcome to the front lines of science; where nothing works and nobody agrees. It can often seem like we've got it all figured out and that science is just a manual that we follow, but that's not the case. In reality there are many different points of view about how we think things work. That's how we progress. You say phenomenon X works through A, I say it works through B, then you test A, I test B, maybe vice versa, and we try to draw a conclusion from that. That conclusion can be anything from it's actually C to both A and B are equally likely and at this point in time almost personal preference.

 

The best I could do list wise is to just refer to Wikipedia or various universities on what they classify as their CS curriculum. Studying is highly nonlinear and starting something new is often the most difficult. I'd say just browse those lists and superficially explore each item, constantly putting it back in the context that spurred your curiosity: what is it that you were actually trying to figure out or learn about. Was it "how can my montior refresh 360 times per second !?" or was it "how does that enemy decide on the best path to get me?".

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As mentioned above, AoE (Art of Electronics) is pretty much the best you're going to find as a general coverage book. It's not perfect, and it misses a few things, but it's useful.

 

For audio electronics, you want Douglas Self's Small Signal Audio Design and Bob Cordell's Designing Audio Power Amplifiers books.

 

Another very useful text that is more aimed at RF electronics is the ARRL handbook, pretty much anything after 1980 will suffice for what you want to do. Be aware that they will talk about vacuum tubes in it. 

 

The Elliott Sound Products website is a fantastic resource for audio electronics, but it's also very useful for other things as well.

 

Lastly, although generally more advanced, the Linear Technology application notes, especially those by Jim Williams, are an amazing resource that, in my opinion, break some very complicated subjects (like high speed amplifier design) down to a level where even idiots like me can understand them. 

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(what looks like) the official website for Art of Electronics even has some sample chapters available, so you can check them out for free and see if they are good.

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Just to add, often the 'bullshit' is the underlying theory. Usually people do learn it, even if just the basics and then that along with experience they get to a point that a lot of the time you can easily do things just off your underlying knowledge without having to crunch numbers or do anything complicated for every choice, you know how it works and what sort of circuit you can throw together and what should work.

 

You can tinker around and just figure it out but knowing things like the underlying theory of how it works, how the ideal and real world components behave and how to measure, diagnose and test is helpful.

 

 

 

 

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On 8/16/2021 at 7:41 AM, cachethrash said:

(what looks like) the official website for Art of Electronics even has some sample chapters available, so you can check them out for free and see if they are good.

No need to worry- they're fantastic.

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On 8/12/2021 at 7:42 PM, tikker said:

This may sound pretentious, but that is quite honestly what learning is. You look at a source, study it lightly to judge whether you think it contains what you are after, then read it more carefully and either conclude you learned something or that it was not what you were looking for.

Of course they intersect. It's not like engineering for cars has a different theory of gravity or aerodynamics compared to engineering for planes, for example, but they are different specific sub-fields of engineering with their own set of methods to consider. These can be surface level differences like a plane having a different shape compared to a car, to being "allowed" to take big short-cuts without repercussions in one case that would wreck the other. Say from an aerodynamical point of view for a car you can probably get away with the bare minimum of simulations using very simple approximations just so that you don't fabricate a inefficient brick shape, but a slightly less inefficient potato shape.  Don't do the proper simulations for a plane and it may not even take off at all.

Welcome to the front lines of science; where nothing works and nobody agrees. It can often seem like we've got it all figured out and that science is just a manual that we follow, but that's not the case. In reality there are many different points of view about how we think things work. That's how we progress. You say phenomenon X works through A, I say it works through B, then you test A, I test B, maybe vice versa, and we try to draw a conclusion from that. That conclusion can be anything from it's actually C to both A and B are equally likely and at this point in time almost personal preference.

 

The best I could do list wise is to just refer to Wikipedia or various universities on what they classify as their CS curriculum. Studying is highly nonlinear and starting something new is often the most difficult. I'd say just browse those lists and superficially explore each item, constantly putting it back in the context that spurred your curiosity: what is it that you were actually trying to figure out or learn about. Was it "how can my montior refresh 360 times per second !?" or was it "how does that enemy decide on the best path to get me?".

you can skip this is just a complaint:

 

But it's an annoying trend

if I'm buying a book I do want it to be as I want, it's a big waste of time looking around to pick up usefull informations over the trash

 

but the issue are not just books, the shitty article like format it's almost everywhere, I do google for an information, random click, then I need to look up to a wasteyard of words, videos are the same, now that I do think about, around the 2010 and before that trend was less common.... videos where like 2 minute long with the exact information that I was looking for and stop

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47 minutes ago, 12345678 said:

you can skip this is just a complaint:

 

But it's an annoying trend

if I'm buying a book I do want it to be as I want, it's a big waste of time looking around to pick up usefull informations over the trash

This is part of the reason why there are so many books explaining the same thing. Sharing knowledge is difficult and every author has their own view on what the best way to do so is. In that regard it's good to look for more scientifically oriented books, as they typically don't have the my-life-story fluff. The downside is depending on the level of the book they assume a certain level of knowledge.

51 minutes ago, 12345678 said:

but the issue are not just books, the shitty article like format it's almost everywhere, I do google for an information, random click, then I need to look up to a wasteyard of words, videos are the same, now that I do think about, around the 2010 and before that trend was less common.... videos where like 2 minute long with the exact information that I was looking for and stop

There is certainly truth in that. It's "the algorithm" that's causing that, whether it's YouTube or Google, you see it everywhere. Cooking sites are another great example where they will give you their entire life story before putting the recipe at the bottom for e.g. SEO purposes. YouTube allows mid-video ads from 10 minutes on, so some channels will stretch to try and meet that mark. Books are different yet again, because well you don't sell a 10 page book answering a niche question that nobody but an expert or the odd hobbyist cares about.

 

On the other side, the broader picture surrounding something is often very useful and needed to increase your understanding and to hone in on what your actual question is. Say you ask "how does a wind turbine work". The simple 2-minute video would be here's a picture of a windmill, wind blows, blades spin, electricity comes out. Has that really increased your understanding of wind turbines however? Much more informative would be a 10 minute video explaining the mechanical, aerodynamical and electrodynamical aspects of it.

 

As much as it can suck, gathering information is looking for a needle in a haystack. Everyone is looking for something specific to their wishes, so the perfect solution is very hard to find. I have this all the time at work. Sometimes I'm looking for a specific equation or concept and I don't want to (re)read the book or go through a dozen papers to find it, but it is what it is.

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