BREAKING Ryzen 5000 APU's are being launched to DIY August 5th (for sure the 5th) 5700G $359

[Uttamattamakin]

Summary

Ryzen 5000 APU's are being released to DIY in August Ryzen 7 5700g will be $359us 5600g will be $259us.  

 

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My thoughts

Praise be to Allah!  That was my first response.  Finally.   As of now anyone wanting to build a PC for gaming in this environment should wait until August.   I personally have been waiting for a new APU for my Stimulus money build since this time last year.  8 C 16T CPU is very respectable for most people, doing most things.  Plus this comes with the very excellent Vega graphics which under Linux have done well for productivity and gaming.  Of course a dGPU will be best for gaming, but I can't see anyone buying these up to mine on. 

 

I just need to wait until August.   Just 2-3 more months.    That said it is really frustrating that it has to take most of the year for this to happen.  That said it is good that they are going to keep their word to those of us who bought AM4.  Not to mention, theoretically pre builts from years past which have the bios for it, and the chipset for it could theoretically be upgraded too.  One of the best things about the X86 platform since the 486 era has been the concept that even the CPU could be upgraded in some way.  Lets hope that never changes. 

Sources

AMD Computex keynote. 

 

UPDATE. 

 

AMD Ryzen™ 7 5700G Desktop APU | AMD https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-7-5700g 

Perusing the AMD website for information to plan how I will upgrade it appears that the date has been quietly changed. 

 

The same is true for the 5600G  AMD Ryzen™ 5 5600G Desktop APU | AMD https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-5-5600g

I've seen nothing about this anywhere... but it appears the date has been changed to the 13th instead of the 5th.  WTH?  

My selfish thought on this is well ... more time to wait for a needed upgrade.  Hopefully this will just mean AMD can flood the channels with so much stock that it cannot be scalped profitably. 

 

Edited July 18, 2021 by Uttamattamakin
Fleshing it out. UPDATE date change?

[Freakwise]

im kinda upset tbh amd only putting vega 8

i mean they manage to put vega 11 on 3400g

[weeblord]

Only releasing mid to high-end APUs? That's a shame. I thought the main idea of APUs was to be a cost-efficient alternative to a more expensive, slower GPU and average CPU. These things will still probably sell well though.

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, weeblord said:

Only releasing mid to high-end APUs? That's a shame. I thought the main idea of APUs was to be a cost-efficient alternative to a more expensive, slower GPU and average CPU. These things will still probably sell well though.

I would love to see a 5200G.

[Uttamattamakin]

10 minutes ago, weeblord said:

Only releasing mid to high-end APUs? That's a shame. I thought the main idea of APUs was to be a cost-efficient alternative to a more expensive, slower GPU and average CPU. These things will still probably sell well though.

Not really.  If one goes back to when AMD first used the term APU.  The idea was to have a heterogenous system architecture.  In which the APU would run code that can be accelerated by a GPU on the internal GPU.    Being cost effective is a bonus.  
 

18 minutes ago, Freakwise said:

im kinda upset tbh amd only putting vega 8

i mean they manage to put vega 11 on 3400g

As I understand it these 8 Vega CU's on the new processors are better than the 11 of them on the past processors.   Considering what I have been able to get out of a 3200G I am very much looking forward to this.   If I didn't need CUDA specifically I might not even bother with a dGPU. 

 

 

 

[CerealExperimentsLain]

1 minute ago, Uttamattamakin said:

As I understand it these 8 Vega CU's on the new processors are better than the 11 of them on the past processors.   Considering what I have been able to get out of a 3200G I am very much looking forward to this.   If I didn't need CUDA specifically I might not even bother with a dGPU. 

Thankfully I'm sure at least a dozen YouTubers and PC journos will bench the 5700G vs 3400G and we'll get a definitive view of which one does light/casual gaming better.  These CPUs make compelling parts for ITX couch gaming PCs if you enjoy casual things.  ...Though I'm gonna stick with the GTX 1080 in my couch gaming PC.

[Uttamattamakin]

9 minutes ago, CerealExperimentsLain said:

Thankfully I'm sure at least a dozen YouTubers and PC journos will bench the 5700G vs 3400G and we'll get a definitive view of which one does light/casual gaming better.  These CPUs make compelling parts for ITX couch gaming PCs if you enjoy casual things.  ...Though I'm gonna stick with the GTX 1080 in my couch gaming PC.

I know I have a 1080* .... but a lot of people don't.  In fact there are those who would say those of us who have a 1080 or 1080 Ti or better we should just not complain.  

*Used with a laptop in a TB3 enclosure not my desktop daily driver which has a 1050 just for using CUDA for research purposes. 

[CerealExperimentsLain]

Just now, Uttamattamakin said:

I know I have a 1080* .... but a lot of people don't.  In fact there are those who would say those of us who have a 1080 or 1080 Ti or better we should just not complain.  

*Used with a laptop in a TB3 enclosure not my desktop daily driver which has a 1050 just for using CUDA for research purposes. 

Oh totally, no, I wasn't being a snot, that couch gaming PC is just built with a mix of specific and hand-me-down parts.  I actually think it's pretty cool that you can have these 'Xbox One/PS4 Kilers' in small ITX boxes without a dGPU.  Not top end gaming but pretty nifty stuff if you ask me, even if better suited to 1080p.  And there's lots of games older than 5 years that'd run amazing on these too.

[Helpful Tech Witch]

Wait.

The 5600g is cheeper than a 5600x, how much slower is the cpu?

the 5600g has a base of 3.9, boost of 4.4

the 5600x has a base of 3.7, boost of 4.6

so the g give you 200mhz more base, 200mhz less boost, and is 40$ cheeper?
With a oc the cheeper one could be much better

[CerealExperimentsLain]

16 minutes ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

Wait.

The 5600g is cheeper than a 5600x, how much slower is the cpu?

the 5600g has a base of 3.9, boost of 4.4

the 5600x has a base of 3.7, boost of 4.6

so the g give you 200mhz more base, 200mhz less boost, and is 40$ cheeper?
With a oc the cheeper one could be much better

The 5600G has 16mb of L3 cache vs 32mb on the 5600X.  You're forgetting the influence of cache on IPC (And cost).  The APUs also have no PCIE 4.0 support

[Helpful Tech Witch]

2 minutes ago, CerealExperimentsLain said:

The 5600G has 16mb of L3 cache vs 32mb on the 5600X.  You're forgetting the influence of cache on IPC (And cost).  The APUs also have no PCIE 4.0 support

ope, missed the cache. Thats gotta be a big deal

gen4 lacking now is fine, deff could be a problem down the line.

[Doobeedoo]

Cool. It will be way more interesting once they shift to Navi iGPU though.

[WhitetailAni]

So it seems we must wait for AM5 to get anything better than a Vega iGPU.

Oh well.

I'm curious to see how these stack up against older APUs and CPUs and current CPUs, so these:
3400G - 5600G
3600 - 5600G

3700X - 5800G

5600X - 5600G

5800X - 5800G

 

I'm kinda tempted to nab a 5800G over a 5900 like I was planning to - having integrated graphics is SUPER handy.

[AldiPrayogi]

Is there a reason why it's Vega? Is it to conserve RDNA chips for GPUs?

[Uttamattamakin]

1 hour ago, AldiPrayogi said:

Is there a reason why it's Vega? Is it to conserve RDNA chips for GPUs?

I'd say that they can't integrate a sort of little RDNA GPU with a Zen CPU but they did it custom with a Zen2 CPU architecture for a console.  

It could be a matter of limitations of the socket.  In a console everything can be custom.  On PC their standard needs to change to support that.  A

 

 

4 hours ago, FakeKGB said:

So it seems we must wait for AM5 to get anything better than a Vega iGPU.

Oh well.

I'm curious to see how these stack up against older APUs and CPUs and current CPUs, so these:
3400G - 5600G
3600 - 5600G

3700X - 5800G

5600X - 5600G

5800X - 5800G

 

I'm kinda tempted to nab a 5800G over a 5900 like I was planning to - having integrated graphics is SUPER handy.

It's a 5700G not a 5800G .  BUT it has the same 8C 16 T processor but with half the cache.  So one gives up some cache for having a GPU. You know a GPU which exist. 

[12345678]

do they have the same manufacturing issues as their main line cpus?

if so gotta scalp on those lol

[Kisai]

4 hours ago, AldiPrayogi said:

Is there a reason why it's Vega? Is it to conserve RDNA chips for GPUs?

It's probably because they can still make them on a larger process node that isn't subject to shortages.

AMD says the chip is 7nm but since the chiplets all have their own process nodes it would not surprise me if it's on the same node as the 14nm i/o die since that's what vega was on.

 

[TetraSky]

Hopefully it will help people who want a new PC but simply can't find an affordable GPU.

INB4, scalpers buys them all.

[Helpful Tech Witch]

9 hours ago, 12345678 said:

do they have the same manufacturing issues as their main line cpus?

if so gotta scalp on those lol

Their normal ones are in stock for the 5600x and the 5800x, occasionally the 5900x is in stock too.

[Kisai]

23 hours ago, TetraSky said:

Hopefully it will help people who want a new PC but simply can't find an affordable GPU.

INB4, scalpers buys them all.

Scalpers haven't ever gone after the low-end parts from what I've seen.

 

Even then, the Vega parts don't support AV1 decoding, where as the Intel 11th gen iGPU's do. So the APU's are a harder sell as they come at a slight disadvantage. Nothing at all supports AV1 encoding, so that's honestly what I would be waiting for if I'm going to wait on a CPU or GPU.

 

Like if I had to "buy now", like today, I'd just grab the intel i7-11700k to directly replace what I have (which is a 4th gen intel cpu), but it seems like such a waste of money. Likewise I would have bought a AMD Ryzen 3950X when it came out, except it was sold out perpetually until the 5000 parts came out, and then guess what the 5000 parts above 5700 were perpetually sold out until like a week ago. 

 

$530.41, 787.74, 953.75, 638.32

(above in image is $CAD, below in text is $USD)

Let me remind you that the MSRP for the 5950X is $799 USD, 5900X is $549 USD, while the Intel 10900K is $488 USD, 10700K is $374 USD, Ryzen 9 3950X is $749USD , and 3900XT $499 USD.

 

 

That 539CAD i7-11700K is 447.52USD which puts it within $40 (10%) of it's expected price, vs all the high end Ryzen parts which are all marked up at least $200 USD.

 

So right now, buying a Ryzen at over MSRP, is a bad deal comparatively than buying the Intel parts.

[Uttamattamakin]

UPDATE, kinda important.  Lining up at MicroCenter or Memory Express etc might be a waste of time on the 5th of August. 

 

AMD Ryzen™ 7 5700G Desktop APU | AMD https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-7-5700g 

Perusing the AMD website for information to plan how I will upgrade it appears that the date has been quietly changed. 

 

The same is true for the 5600G  AMD Ryzen™ 5 5600G Desktop APU | AMD https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-5-5600g

I've seen nothing about this anywhere... but it appears the date has been changed to the 13th instead of the 5th.  WTH?  

My selfish thought on this is well ... more time to wait for a needed upgrade.  Hopefully this will just mean AMD can flood the channels with so much stock that it cannot be scalped profitably. 

If anyone has a clear idea of what this date here means... is this for the DIY boxed processor or for one of the other OPN's? 

[CT854]

29 minutes ago, Uttamattamakin said:

UPDATE, kinda important.  Lining up at MicroCenter or Memory Express etc might be a waste of time on the 5th of August. 

 

AMD Ryzen™ 7 5700G Desktop APU | AMD https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-7-5700g 

Perusing the AMD website for information to plan how I will upgrade it appears that the date has been quietly changed. 

 

The same is true for the 5600G  AMD Ryzen™ 5 5600G Desktop APU | AMD https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-5-5600g

I've seen nothing about this anywhere... but it appears the date has been changed to the 13th instead of the 5th.  WTH?  

My selfish thought on this is well ... more time to wait for a needed upgrade.  Hopefully this will just mean AMD can flood the channels with so much stock that it cannot be scalped profitably. 

If anyone has a clear idea of what this date here means... is this for the DIY boxed processor or for one of the other OPN's? 

4/13/2021 is the date the CPUs were released to OEMs. That's the date that's listed.

 

I've not heard of any change to the DIY release date.

[Joduko]

Not as exciting as Rembrandt will be I'm guessing. Still using Vega (and only Vega 8 for that matter) and still on DDR4.

[Uttamattamakin]

On 7/17/2021 at 8:48 PM, CT854 said:

4/13/2021 is the date the CPUs were released to OEMs. That's the date that's listed.

 

I've not heard of any change to the DIY release date.

Phew yeah I didn't read 2 gud.  It just seems like this year everything is delayed or vaporware or paperware I just I just expect it AMD or NVIDIA too screw DIY again, and again somehow.