AMDisappointed

[Dabombinable]

3 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

The 3700X is significantly faster than a 1700X and yet the price stayed the same. But I think the 5800X is a great CPU, faster than an Intel 10th gen CPU in most tasks yet consumes much less power, although I would've liked to see a $50 lower MSRP or include a cooler at $449.

Wait, the 5800X doesn't include a cooler?

[Vishera]

17 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

Did you just entirely ignore the massive clock jump and IPC improvements? I think you have...

If you had to pay extra every time there is an IPC improvement we would have a $100000 consumer CPUs,

It's unreasonable,and i don't want the CPU market to have inflated prices like what happened to the Smartphone,Laptop and GPU markets.

 

Also,it's still has worse value than the 3700X.

 

[Blademaster91]

13 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

Wait, the 5800X doesn't include a cooler?

AMD didn't include a cooler with the 5800X or 5900X, the 5900X I would be more fine with as I doubt most people buying a 12 core would be using the stock cooler.

[Vishera]

20 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

AMD didn't include a cooler with the 5800X or 5900X, the 5900X I would be more fine with as I doubt most people buying a 12 core would be using the stock cooler.

The reason for it is that the AMD stock cooler can't cool those chips.

[Moonzy]

31 minutes ago, Vishera said:

The reason for it is that the AMD stock cooler can't cool those chips.

I've seen people use wraith prism on a 3900x, works fine

Warm, but good enough tbh

 

I understand if they don't wanna include it in the box because not everyone uses it, but at least knock off some price, or give it to people who wants it upon request would be neat.

[D13H4RD]

48 minutes ago, Vishera said:

The reason for it is that the AMD stock cooler can't cool those chips.

The Prism should just about keep them steady whilst at full boost, albeit running warm and probably in a musical sort of way.

 

It’s a cost-saving measure at the end of the day. 

[CommanderAlex]

15 hours ago, Doug_Dangger said:

This is quite disappointing.

Well you have to remember that AMD is a fabless company ever since they spinned off their semiconductor factories starting in 2009, under the name GlobalFoundries. AMD has to outsource manufacturing to TSMC, which is at capacity producing ICs. Apple bought a big share of TSMC's production so AMD is at the mercy of TSMC to produce chips. Current contracts they have probably won't change anything in the short run until supply reaches equilibrium with demand, which we won't possibly see until 2H 2021. Nvidia is in the same boat and they are contracting out Amphere to Samsung for the GPU chips inside RTX 30-series cards. 

 

Overall, as of right now, semiconductor manufacturing is halting/slowing down global manufacturing as semiconductors run inside a lot of electronic products. Gamers are not the only one's seeing this problem and we're just get the short end of the stick as TSMC will prioritize the chips produced for the computers inside cars over your CPU/GPU. 

 

Intel's lineup of CPUs are good, but not that competitive against AMD with high core count scenarios and costs but at least they still own fabs (which they should ignore a hedge fund telling them to sell them off and outsource manufacturing and whom own a small portion of shares of Intel Corp. (imo Overall, American semiconductor manufacturing has been decreasing and becoming outsourced to other companies...which is a shame but what can you do; support companies by putting where your wallet matters imo) and can produce chips that we can see and get readily on the market today. In fact, AMD lost a marginal market share, ~0.7%, to Intel, who clawed back market share thanks to the demand for AMD processors being out of reach or being scalped at higher prices than the MSRP. 

13 minutes ago, D13H4RD said:

The Prism should just about keep them steady whilst at full boost, albeit running warm and probably in a musical sort of way.

 

It’s a cost-saving measure at the end of the day. 

Its nice to see them include a cooler with CPUs but if your buying something that's enthusiast-grade hardware, there's not really a point in including a CPU cooler as you'll be using a custom air cooler, AIO, or custom-loop water cooling. If AMD can absorb the costs of that CPU cooler into the costs of the chip itself to keep prices down on great CPUs, then why not??

[RejZoR]

4 hours ago, Vishera said:

If you had to pay extra every time there is an IPC improvement we would have a $100000 consumer CPUs,

It's unreasonable,and i don't want the CPU market to have inflated prices like what happened to the Smartphone,Laptop and GPU markets.

 

Also,it's still has worse value than the 3700X.

 

Well, I don't care coz we get fucked over by VAT and god knows what else before it even comes to EU. Nothing we buy here ever reflects anything close to MSRP. I basically didn't notice any change to any older CPU. Maybe a bit more because it's this f**king virus situation, but not otherwise...

[Vishera]

6 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

Well, I don't care coz we get fucked over by VAT and god knows what else before it even comes to EU. Nothing we buy here ever reflects anything close to MSRP. I basically didn't notice any change to any older CPU. Maybe a bit more because it's this f**king virus situation, but not otherwise...

I am from Europe myself,and in my country we are always get stuff at MSRP,the local market is very competitive and we also make our own PSUs,cases,coolers,etc.

We have a lot of official partners of Intel,AMD,and NVIDIA that imports their products directly from them at MSRP.

 

There are few other countries in the EU that have good prices,but in eastern Europe the situation is not good,you don't even feel that there is competition there in the market,

Lack of official partners,and stores like to charge extra for no real reason,and not to talk about logistics.

 

In my country the VAT is very high but we still get stuff at MSRP.