does dvd burn speed effect quality

[Pc6777]

I have been backing stuff up on archival dvds and such and have just been burning at the max or "default speed" is that bad? will that make my backups less reliable? 

 

these are the disks I use

 

https://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-M-Disc-DVD-R-Branded-Surface/dp/B011PZA68Y

 

https://www.verbatim.com/prod/optical-media/dvd/archival-grade-gold-dvd-r/ultralife/

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001D8OGOO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

 

https://www.newegg.com/smartbuy-4x-4-7gb-m-disc/p/12Z-001D-000D2?Item=9SIA6983267930

 

I use an internal sata LG burner that's m disc compatible with super multi support. 

 

[Biomecanoid]

12 minutes ago, Pc6777 said:

I have been backing stuff up on archival dvds and such and have just been burning at the max or "default speed" is that bad? will that make my backups less reliable? 

 

these are the disks I use

 

https://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-M-Disc-DVD-R-Branded-Surface/dp/B011PZA68Y

 

https://www.verbatim.com/prod/optical-media/dvd/archival-grade-gold-dvd-r/ultralife/

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001D8OGOO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

 

https://www.newegg.com/smartbuy-4x-4-7gb-m-disc/p/12Z-001D-000D2?Item=9SIA6983267930

 

I use an internal sata LG burner that's m disc compatible with super multi support. 

 

Why DVDs and don't just buy a HDD

[Pc6777]

Just now, Biomecanoid said:

Why DVDs and don't just buy a HDD

I have tons of hard drives but optical media is more reliable for backups. 

[Ertman]

3 minutes ago, Pc6777 said:

I have tons of hard drives but optical media is more reliable for backups. 

Yes, and mostly no.

[WhitetailAni]

3 minutes ago, Pc6777 said:

I have tons of hard drives but optical media is more reliable for backups. 

Not anymore.

[Biomecanoid]

6 minutes ago, Pc6777 said:

I have tons of hard drives but optical media is more reliable for backups. 

Optical media die with "cyclic redundancy check" an HDD is more reliable even more so if you copy files to it and then store it.

[Pc6777]

Just now, Ertman said:

Yes, and mostly no.

I use special archival dvds  and m-discs not random crap that will fade in 2 years. 

[Pc6777]

1 minute ago, ragnarok0273 said:

Not anymore.

look at the links they arnt normal dvds. 

[Electronics Wizardy]

Just now, Pc6777 said:

I use special archival dvds  and m-discs not random crap that will fade in 2 years. 

but still with the density of hdds, just get a few large ones, store them in different locations, and do a check every year or so.

[Pc6777]

Just now, Electronics Wizardy said:

but still with the density of hdds, just get a few large ones, store them in different locations, and do a check every year or so.

im also backing up on hard drives im doing optical and digital. 

[WhitetailAni]

Just now, Pc6777 said:

im also backing up on hard drives im doing optical and digital. 

No need to spend more money on optical discs, then.

[Electronics Wizardy]

Just now, Pc6777 said:

im also backing up on hard drives im doing optical and digital. 

Optical is also digital.

 

I don't see a reason to use dvds here.

[Pc6777]

1 minute ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

Optical is also digital.

 

I don't see a reason to use dvds here.

they arnt susceptible to magnets and hard drives have moving parts and I already have dvds and more on the way so its too late now lol. but I use m discs and archival discs they are different from those crap ones. but im backing up on discs hard drives and flash storage. 

[Ertman]

6 minutes ago, Pc6777 said:

I use special archival dvds  and m-discs not random crap that will fade in 2 years. 

Not all archival products are really  "archival". I guess the next question is how long you expect to keep the backups for, and whether or not you will have a device capable of reading them.

 

But to answer your question Speeds most likely effects error rate. You more likely to have a successful burn with a slower rate, but this doesnt mean you feat won't be effective.

[Electronics Wizardy]

Just now, Pc6777 said:

they arnt susceptible to magnets and hard drives have moving parts and I already have dvds and more on the way so its too late now lol. but I use m discs and archival discs they are different from those crap ones. but im backing up on discs hard drives and flash storage. 

thats why you store the disks in different loctions, then its pretty unlikely there will be affected. Store a drive in something like a safe deposit box or simmilar.

[ProjectBox153]

I don't see the point of even using DVDs. A couple hard drives would be far easier to manage, far faster to fill up and pull data from, and easier to store. Sure, they're archival discs, but why? Hard drives are shockingly durable, even for long term storage. I've got multiple drives that are nearing their 20th birthday that I still use on occasion for old data. 

[Pc6777]

Just now, Ertman said:

Not all archival products are really  "archival"

 

But to answer your question Speeds most likely effects error rate. You more likely to have a successful burn with a slower rate, but this doesnt mean you feat won't be effective.

does the dvd drive burn at its max speed when I use the default or max speed, or the dvds max speed, the dvds I have all use slower speeds so would the "max speed" just be the max speed of my dvd?

[Biomecanoid]

5 minutes ago, Pc6777 said:

they arnt susceptible to magnets and hard drives have moving parts and I already have dvds and more on the way so its too late now lol. but I use m discs and archival discs they are different from those crap ones. but im backing up on discs hard drives and flash storage. 

Its not a good practice but its your money and your time. If you want to be 1000% you should do HDDs and maybe store your files online on some could storage. DVDs is not the way to go

[Pc6777]

Just now, Biomecanoid said:

Its not a good practice but its your money and your time. If you want to be 1000% you should do HDDs and maybe store your files online on some could storage. DVDs is not the way to go

im not backing up everything on dvds, just some stuff that, and the rest will be on hard drives and flash drives/ssds. 

[Biomecanoid]

4 minutes ago, Pc6777 said:

im not backing up everything on dvds, just some stuff that, and the rest will be on hard drives and flash drives/ssds. 

Well you should not backup anything on DVDs

[emosun]

15 minutes ago, Pc6777 said:

I have tons of hard drives but optical media is more reliable for backups. 

it's actually a tossup. dvds tend to have more failure rates due to either the burn having an error or the media itself rotting and warping to the point where a normal looking dvd isn't readable. they have the same issue late stage floppies had.

Any who........ rule of thumb is just burn at a low speed to reduce the amount of burn errors. But honestly what you're doing is kinda a big mistake. take it from someone who 10 years ago also did this only to find out that half of the discs are now bad only 10 years later. just use multiple hard drives , they are made better than disks and can last just fine if unused.

Don't forget , a hard drive failure can happen...... two hard drive failure at the same time is rare........ and three different hard drives failing all at once is extremely rare.

[minibois]

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Optimal writing speed
A higher writing speed results in a faster disc burn, but the optical quality may be lower (i.e. the disc is less reflective). If the reflectivity is too low for the disc to be read accurately, some parts may be skipped or it may result in unwanted audio artifacts such as squeaking and clicking sounds. For optimal results, it is suggested that a disc be burnt at its rated speed.[6][7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD_and_DVD_writing_speed#Optimal_writing_speed

 

Wikipedia mentions two sources, might be an interesting read:

https://www.soundonsound.com/sound-advice/q-why-does-cd-burning-speed-make-difference

The other source seems to be dead.

 

As others 'kindly' pointed out, DVD's may not be the most optimal backup solution, but of course it can be part of a backup system, if you're using another media too. DVD rot sadly is a thing, so don't expect DVD's to last forever.

Of course no backup technology is perfect, each one has its trade-offs. 

 

If you decide to use DVD's, write at the recommend/rated speed of the disc.

[ProjectBox153]

7 minutes ago, Pc6777 said:

flash drives/ssds. 

A backup to a flash drive is not a backup at all.

Look at it this way: with DVDs you've got many physical discs to keep track of. OK, that's not too hard. But, that's also many more pieces that could potentially fail. With a few hard drives you've got fewer physical devices to keep track of, and that's also fewer devices to fail. Make backups however you want, but just know that DVDs are not a great way to go, even if you've already put time into it. 

[emosun]

2 minutes ago, minibois said:

Of course no backup technology is perfect, each one has its trade-offs. 

i'd say any backup can escape its reliability problem with enough copies. which is why i always opt for just several copies of things on several hard drives.

[PlayStation 2]

It's a multifaceted answer that can be boiled down to a couple of points: 

• The disc quality
• The disc burner in question

It's generally in your best interest to burn a disc at one of its recommended speeds, although most modern discs (and disc burners) can generally be burned at faster speeds and still be fine. 

 

To answer your question: DVD burn speed can affect quality if the disc in question is of dubious quality to begin with.