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Hi! 

I've got ryzen 3 3300x with mid tower cooler-Arctic 34 co freezer applyed with Arctic mx4 termal paste. When CPU is idle is around 50C° and when it's under load it is around 80C°, but cooler and heatpipes stays cold. Problem is beacuse fans are getting vrey loud. I don't think it's normal on 65W CPU with 120TDP cooler. What sohoud i do? 

Thank you for suggestions. 

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Plastic film under the CPU cooler is removed right?

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10 minutes ago, Lukakopa7 said:

When CPU is idle is around 50C° and when it's under load it is around 80C°,

That's fairly normal.

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That's a of tell-tale bad thermal paste application

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1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

Plastic film under the CPU cooler is removed right?

Yes of course

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2 minutes ago, svmlegacy said:

That's a of tell-tale bad thermal paste application

I did like it was written in the instructions. 

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3 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

That's fairly normal.

But on load is cpu hot and cooler cold. 

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See if the cpu is seated well and if the mounting pressure is adequate.  If everything is all right then maybe a repaste is needed.  Did you use enough paste ?   Did it spread correctly ? Also how hot is load temperature ? (that's probably the first question I should have asked)

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Why didn't you just use the Wraith stealth cooler that came with the cpu? 

And if upgrading a wraith stealth, should look for the Wraith Prism. 

 

The stock coolers are designed to blow down on the board assisting in cooling other components like VRMs.

 

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55 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Why didn't you just use the Wraith stealth cooler that came with the cpu? 

And if upgrading a wraith stealth, should look for the Wraith Prism. 

 

The stock coolers are designed to blow down on the board assisting in cooling other components like VRMs.

 

Because I want to overclock it and Wraith sealth wasnt enough.

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1 hour ago, Dr0y said:

See if the cpu is seated well and if the mounting pressure is adequate.  If everything is all right then maybe a repaste is needed.  Did you use enough paste ?   Did it spread correctly ? Also how hot is load temperature ? (that's probably the first question I should have asked)

Load temperature is around 80C°. I already change the thermal paste and I think I did everything right.

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Make sure standoffs is screwed in all the ways and is facing the correct way. (One side may be longer than the other)

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12 minutes ago, Lukakopa7 said:

Load temperature is around 80C°. I already change the thermal paste and I think I did everything right.

80 is not that hot tho ... what kind of case do you have ?

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10 hours ago, Dr0y said:

80 is not that hot tho ... what kind of case do you have ?

I know 80C isnt that hot but 65 W CPU on 120TDP cooler? I have sharkoon VG6-W case. 

 

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How old is your thermal paste?

 

If your CPU is hot, and the cooler is not, then the heat is not getting from the CPU to the cooler.

 

It's also not exactly comparing apples to apples to say you're putting a 120w TDP HSF on a 65w TDP CPU. I had an Intel i5 4440 rated for 86w, and upgraded it to a Xeon rated for 82w, but the stock cooler couldn't keep up with the Xeon, while it had no problem with the i5.

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1 hour ago, Lukakopa7 said:

I know 80C isnt that hot but 65 W CPU on 120TDP cooler? I have sharkoon VG6-W case. 

 

On a 40€ casei would not expect anything better on its cooling capacity or me the issue is the case

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Well tdp numbers are not something that are that much reliable in the first place. 

 

It can be a lot of stuff if the cooler is not getting warm ... and I'm just throwing idea there :

 

Bad paste batch

Bad paste application (but I don't think so since it was reapplied several time I think)

Too old thermal paste maybe from staying too long in a warehouse

Contact that is not good enough from the cpu to the cooler due to a poorly machined surface of the cooler

Contact that is not good enough due to some low mounting pressure

Heatpipes that are not good enough/bad/damaged inside and can't transfer the heat properly

Stock thermal interface between the actual chip to the integrated heat spreader that is bad/not efficient enough

 

Too much stock voltage to the chip due to motherboard manufacturer tuning it strangely causing higher than normal temps (was reported by some reviewers (jay and steve from what I recall) on some motherboard, just don't remember which ones)

 

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14 hours ago, Dr0y said:

Well tdp numbers are not something that are that much reliable in the first place. 

 

It can be a lot of stuff if the cooler is not getting warm ... and I'm just throwing idea there :

 

Bad paste batch

Bad paste application (but I don't think so since it was reapplied several time I think)

Too old thermal paste maybe from staying too long in a warehouse

Contact that is not good enough from the cpu to the cooler due to a poorly machined surface of the cooler

Contact that is not good enough due to some low mounting pressure

Heatpipes that are not good enough/bad/damaged inside and can't transfer the heat properly

Stock thermal interface between the actual chip to the integrated heat spreader that is bad/not efficient enough

 

Too much stock voltage to the chip due to motherboard manufacturer tuning it strangely causing higher than normal temps (was reported by some reviewers (jay and steve from what I recall) on some motherboard, just don't remember which ones)

 

Thank you.

I checked everything and only possibile option are bad heat pipes. What shoud i do?

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well buying another cooler would probably be the only thing to do there if it's one of the main element of the current cooler that is broken ... unless you want to try to take the cooler apart and change all the pipes which would most certainly be a terrible idea. 

 

cooler master hyper 212 evo or something like that is not that expensive and have a good reputation.

 

I personally have a noctua nh-u12s

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Are you using default motherboard settings?

Have you tried reseating the cooler and making sure that it was gradually and evenly tightened instead of one side before the other?

 

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1. A cooler might be designed to work best with intel AHS, and you have AMD ihs

2. Ryzens have terrible heat density

3. cpu manufacturers lie about TDP, a 65W Ryzen 3600 pulls 90W in full core tasks

 

 

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Ok, i had to update on this when a friend gave me the best solution ever to remove airbubbles...
He advised me to use a vibrator.. i mean.. massager... 

 

It went from 98 to 65 in 10 seconds.

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