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2 minutes ago, Smackaroy said:

so what's the memory situation with zen 3? is 3600mhz cl16 still the sweet spot? 

Ryzen 5000/Zen 3 is not out yet.

But I would expect 3600Mhz CL14 to be basically the best you can get for a normal price and 3600Mhz CL16 to be the best bang for buck.

 

That is of course judging by how Ryzen 3000/Zen 2 performs now.

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1 minute ago, minibois said:

Ryzen 5000/Zen 3 is not out yet.

But I would expect 3600Mhz CL14 to be basically the best you can get for a normal price and 3600Mhz CL16 to be the best bang for buck.

 

That is of course judging by how Ryzen 3000/Zen 2 performs now.

i can't find 3600 cl14 anywhere 

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Just now, Smackaroy said:

i can't find 3600 cl14 anywhere 

3600Mhz+ CL14 is not that common, but it does exist: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/#S=3600,5100&L=30,140&sort=price&page=1

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1 minute ago, Smackaroy said:

seems to not exist in the uk

When opening that list on the UK PCPartPicker, only five of them had a price listed; four of which only had a price listed on Newegg (and one on Corsair's website).

This one does seem to be available on Amazon UK: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07ZTNFGSK

But I can't exactly call that an abundance of choice either.

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Just now, pipnina said:

I thought memory speed past 3000 yielded a rather negligable performance benefit unless you are on Zen1?

Depends on the situation of course, but it can definitely help with average/minimum performance:

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https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3508-ryzen-3000-memory-benchmark-best-ram-fclk-uclock-mclock

3000Mhz CL15/3200Mhz CL16 to 3600Mhz CL16 is still a +5% performance increase which IMO is outside of the margin of error.

But this is just one test I highlighted, one where CPU performance does matter quite a bit. There are other tests where the difference is smaller or larger.

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5 minutes ago, minibois said:

When opening that list on the UK PCPartPicker, only five of them had a price listed; four of which only had a price listed on Newegg (and one on Corsair's website).

This one does seem to be available on Amazon UK: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07ZTNFGSK

But I can't exactly call that an abundance of choice either.

that's very expensive for just 16gb

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Sweet spot is still 3600MHz 16-19-19 stuff just because there's a good amount of supply. this question isnt related to the CPUs really.

 

6 minutes ago, pipnina said:

I thought memory speed past 3000 yielded a rather negligable performance benefit unless you are on Zen1?

The price jump today from 3000 to 3600 isn't large either, especially if you're okay with looser timings (like CL18)

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Just now, Smackaroy said:

that's very expensive for just 16gb

You could probably get these and just tighten the timings for the same result

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FtZFf7/patriot-viper-steel-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-4133-cl19-memory-pvs416g413c9k

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Just now, Jurrunio said:

Sweet spot is still 3600MHz 16-19-19 stuff just because there's a good amount of supply. this question isnt related to the CPUs really.

 

The price jump today from 3000 to 3600 isn't large either, especially if you're okay with looser timings (like CL18)

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07WTS8T2W/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A2KVF7QXNCLV8H&psc=1 this is the kit im looking at do you think i should go for it?

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1 minute ago, Smackaroy said:

that's very expensive for just 16gb

You should tell us your definition of "sweet spot" first btw, you want maximum performance on XMP or maximum tuning capability or just good value options?

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6 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

You should tell us your definition of "sweet spot" first btw, you want maximum performance on XMP or maximum tuning capability or just good value options?

looking to pair this with a 5950x and i want the best performance without spending £460 for 32gb 

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6 minutes ago, Smackaroy said:

that's very expensive for just 16gb

Never said it was a good value, far from it.

The difference between CL14 vs. CL16 3600Mhz isn't large, which makes 3600Mhz CL16 a great value and the option most people should consider

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Just now, minibois said:

Never said it was a good value, far from it.

The difference between CL14 vs. CL16 3600Mhz isn't large, which makes 3600Mhz CL16 a great value and the option most people should consider

so go with 32gb 3600 cl16 for £170? 

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24 minutes ago, Smackaroy said:

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3600 is still the sweet spot for 1:1 as for how far it can go, even the 2020 zen 2 chips consistently hit 1900.

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1 minute ago, Smackaroy said:

so go with 32gb 3600 cl16 for £170? 

Yup. (assuming you need 32GB of memory over 16GB)

3600Mhz CL16 is basically top tier performance for a good price.

 

But of course I  have to say it isn't for certain Zen 3/Ryzen 5000 will act the same towards memory.

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2 minutes ago, minibois said:

Never said it was a good value, far from it.

The difference between CL14 vs. CL16 3600Mhz isn't large, which makes 3600Mhz CL16 a great value and the option most people should consider

so what would the performance difference be?

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so what would the performance difference be?

Even best case scenario, it would be a minimal difference. With CL16 3600Mhz on Ryzen 3000/Zen 2 we're already seeing the top tier of performance.

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Just now, Smackaroy said:

ok so do you think memory will be the same on zen3?

Maybe, probably?

But I couldn't tell you for sure, my crystal ball is being repaired at the moment.

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