[Rumour] [AdoredTV] Intel Xe graphics project effectively dead?

[5x5]

57 minutes ago, CarlBar said:

 

I'd be interested in hearing a source on this because so far we know very little whatsoever about it.

Look at all the Notebookcheck articles on it. All of them are focused on Xe matching last gen Vega iGPUs currently. In its final form it will likely be aimed at Vega iGPUs from Renoir. But by that point, Navi IGPPus will be readily available.

[CarlBar]

22 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

Look at all the Notebookcheck articles on it. All of them are focused on Xe matching last gen Vega iGPUs currently. In its final form it will likely be aimed at Vega iGPUs from Renoir. But by that point, Navi IGPPus will be readily available.

 

All of those are developer samples not final products. Developer samples merely need to be feature complete the actual performance doesn't matter. AFAIk what actual production units will look like is a complete unknown.

[porina]

54 minutes ago, CarlBar said:

All of those are developer samples not final products. Developer samples merely need to be feature complete the actual performance doesn't matter. AFAIk what actual production units will look like is a complete unknown.

Every day that passes we're getting closer to final release, and the performance is less likely to change. Amongst the Intel news they said Tiger Lake was to ship in Q3. By the end of September we will know, unless there are yet more delays.

[WkdPaul]

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Please stay on topic, this thread isn't about sources reliability.

[CarlBar]

11 minutes ago, porina said:

Every day that passes we're getting closer to final release, and the performance is less likely to change. Amongst the Intel news they said Tiger Lake was to ship in Q3. By the end of September we will know, unless there are yet more delays.

 

Oh sure but the last hardware i heard leaks on was months and months and months ago. I don't think there's been a single leak on any Xe hardware that isn't a confirmed development sample meaning we still have no clue what actual shipping products will look like. Also what ahs Tiger Lake got to do with Xe discrete?

[Blademaster91]

Considering the source, i wouldn't trust this being true, or at least it would be really dumb for intel to give up on something they invested billions into. And I hope it isnt true because more competition in the gpu market would be nice.

[porina]

12 minutes ago, CarlBar said:

Also what ahs Tiger Lake got to do with Xe discrete?

Tiger Lake will have Xe in mobile, and I'm sure the usual places will test it to death. It'll give us some reference point to try scaling up to possible dGPU implementations.

[Spindel]

5 hours ago, RejZoR said:

Then you don't throw a money at something you apparently already know you can't do well. At all.

You throw money at something you think you can do well, but if you come to the conclusion that you actually can’t (after some R&D) you terminate the project to keep expenses in check. This happends all the time with all companies, not only technology.

[The1Dickens]

8 hours ago, Spindel said:

You throw money at something you think you can do well, but if you come to the conclusion that you actually can’t (after some R&D) you terminate the project to keep expenses in check. This happends all the time with all companies, not only technology.

Can confirm. Or projects drag on for much longer than they should have, and in that time, the market has changed drastically due to a competitor releasing something in a radical new direction and now you've spent the last 3 years chasing that new target. So many projects get cancelled in the concept phase, many in the "exploratory" (engineering validation test) phase, and even a few in the development verification test phase. But even if the project makes it to pilot phase, if anything points to it costing more money to manufacture the product than the customer is willing to pay, you pretty much have no choice but to scrap the project.

 

As far as Xe, I always thought they were going after specific markets first (like servers or machine learning or something), before consumer-grade stuff.

[porina]

7 hours ago, The1Dickens said:

As far as Xe, I always thought they were going after specific markets first (like servers or machine learning or something), before consumer-grade stuff.

Xe will be the new iGPU included in upcoming mobile and desktop CPUs. Mobile Tiger Lake CPUs are due to release this quarter (by end of September). Alder Lake mobile and desktop will have it, given as 2H 2021. Rocket Lake desktop is also supposed to get it before Alder Lake, but I can't find a reliable reference right now. I just remember thinking it would be tight to fit that between current Comet Lake and Alder Lake next year. We also know Xe in Ponte Vecchio form is being used for a US supercomputer. Not so much news on a consumer dGPU.