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Why do JPOP artist when preforming live use sennheiser mics

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34 minutes ago, sub68 said:

both SM58 and E900 Series are very good and reliable

I doubt it's the jpop artists specifically rather it's what the producers and the stage crew typically use. And knowing how the popstar industry work in Japan and Korea these groups are super manufactured by teams so the contractors and stage workers are probably often the same resulting in the same equipment to be used and to them they found this to bethe good mic for their style of music and production like how is in the west use the sm58 for basically anything.when I used to do stage work they have proven themselves to be the most reliable mics in our collection so I used it the most

1 minute ago, Bombastinator said:

99% sure I’m not.  I had a shure cassette deck

shure never made a cassette deck

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4 minutes ago, sub68 said:

in what way

Oops I was confused

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1 minute ago, sub68 said:

shure never made a cassette deck

actually shure made a couple of models

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1 minute ago, sub68 said:

shure never made a cassette deck

Not for a long time anyway, and not in their current iteration undoubtedly.  Was there a different company called sure then?  I distinctly remember the thing,  brushed fake aluminum face, black logo.  Might have been a licensing deal. 

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1 minute ago, Drama Lama said:

Oops I was confused

yeah @Bombasticis making me confused

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Just now, Bombastinator said:

Not for a long time anyway, and not in their current iteration undoubtedly.  Was there a different company called sure then?  I distinctly remember the thing,  brushed fake aluminum face, black logo.  Might have been a licensing deal. 

no there wasnt a company diffferent company

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9 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

99% sure I’m not.  I had a shure cassette deck

hmm there was a couple of models

but I am more used to seeing tascam, technics, nakamichi,pionneer or akai cassete decks

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5 minutes ago, sub68 said:

yeah @Bombasticis making me confused

No I‘m not  confused by @Bombastic

19 minutes ago, sub68 said:

ahh no shure sm58 was made in the 60s

I think your thinking about bose

I thought you were still talking about mics.

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Just now, Drama Lama said:

I thought you were still talking about mics.

me too but some how it got to go to cassette decks

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1 hour ago, sub68 said:

these are not idol groups

True but even individuals work off the same management teams and recording studios as the groups. 

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I mean, if you also consider German and the Japanese relationship going with a German brand also makes sense

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1 hour ago, sub68 said:

hmm there was a couple of models

but I am more used to seeing tascam, technics, nakamichi,pionneer or akai cassete decks

It was long ago.  I was a teen which makes it early 80’s.

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Okay, to add to what Rice already said. Just because 58s and 57s are industry standard doesn't make them the best mics ever, the Sennheiser stuff may just have a better sound but I'll be betting they just use whatever the venue they're playing has laying around. From what I understand most of the acts are hyperproduced and the shows are likely using mostly backing tracks so the mics really don't matter much. I can't recall the last time I saw a headline act (big famous one) actually use a 58, the often pretend to while wearing a headset mic but whenever they really sing into a handheld mic it's almost never actually a 58. There are all sorts of live vocal mics produced by the likes of Neumann, Telefunken, Beyer dynamic and others that are just far better sounding options.

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4 minutes ago, The Flying Sloth said:

backing tracks so the mics really don't matter much.

in the jpop concerts it sound like live vocals not backing tracks

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14 minutes ago, sub68 said:

in the jpop concerts it sound like live vocals not backing tracks

I'm more than happy to be wrong but a good track always sounds live.

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4 minutes ago, The Flying Sloth said:

I'm more than happy to be wrong but a good track always sounds live.

this one reason I like jpop they don't really use autotune or lipsync

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2 minutes ago, sub68 said:

this one reason I like jpop they don't really use autotune or lipsync

No, trust me, everything they do is pitch corrected.
Production is what I do and everything is pitch corrected, especially J/K pop, really just especially pop.
 

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Just now, The Flying Sloth said:

No, trust me, everything they do is pitch corrected.
Production is what I do and everything is pitch corrected, especially J/K pop, really just especially pop.
 

well I total agree everything is pitch corrected and I used to think that jpop they did not use autotune but less aggressive tuning

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Just now, sub68 said:

well I total agree everything is pitch corrected and I used to think that jpop they did not use autotune but less aggressive tuning

I think 'Less Aggressive' is the right way to say it, they're not using 0 latency snapping like a lot of rap acts do and at least they're pitch correcting to the right notes (unlike Disney).
But they are still correcting every note individually likely using Melodyne, it's what we all use prettymuch.

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1 minute ago, The Flying Sloth said:

I think 'Less Aggressive' is the right way to say it, they're not using 0 latency snapping like a lot of rap acts do and at least they're pitch correcting to the right notes (unlike Disney).
But they are still correcting every note individually likely using Melodyne, it's what we all use prettymuch.

I know that they used melodyne I should have clearifed I listen to jpop because the vocals are less harsh on tuning

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I know that they used melodyne I should have clearifed I listen to jpop because the vocals are less harsh on tuning

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7 minutes ago, ShearMe said:

I know that they used melodyne I should have clearifed I listen to jpop because the vocals are less harsh on tuning

?????????????????

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38 minutes ago, ShearMe said:

is joke. You posted the same thing three times. 

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it glitched on my end

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1 minute ago, sub68 said:

it glitched on my end

I get, happens to me too sometimes. Not trying to laugh AT you.... trying to laugh WITH you. 👍

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