10700 avaliable now (not preorder)

[Inkz]

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1558674-REG/intel_bx8070110700_core_i7_10700_processor_16m.html/?ap=y&ap=y&smp=y&smp=y&lsft=BI%3A514&gclid=CjwKCAjwh472BRAGEiwAvHVfGt1Ktv-wTlV4EFtRAxBxllOjyKSQHPb_DR-AmtpsWIJ5ViD8pSxlthoCfQ8QAvD_BwE  I noticed at B&H they have the 10700 listed, all the other ones are for preorders but the 10700 is in stock for order now. 

[5x5]

400$? That's insanity

[Mister Woof]

5 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

400$? That's insanity

I wouldn't call it insanity. Just typical Intel premium prices on launch.

 

3700x launched at $329, 3800x launched at $399.

 

$400 for the 10700 and $425 for the 10700k are a bit steep, and they are a fair bit pricier than their previous generation counterparts, but I'd call it launch day premiums. I'd say it will go down in a few months.

 

$399 for the 10700k is not really a bad price once it stabilizes.

[5x5]

5 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

I wouldn't call it insanity. Just typical Intel premium prices on launch.

 

3700x launched at $329, 3800x launched at $399.

 

$400 for the 10700 and $425 for the 10700k are a bit steep, and they are a fair bit pricier than their previous generation counterparts, but I'd call it launch day premiums. I'd say it will go down in a few months.

 

$399 for the 10700k is not really a bad price once it stabilizes.

Thing is, by the time it comes down it will be pitted against a 4700X, not 3700X and with rumours of 20% IPC increased in Zen3, I wouldn't hold my breath for the i7

[Mister Woof]

Just now, 5x5 said:

Thing is, by the time it comes down it will be pitted against a 4700X, not 3700X and with rumours of 20% IPC increased, I wouldn't hold my breath for the i7

Well, they are a step behind. This isn't really news.

 

The 10th gen should have been what we got instead of the 9th gen.

 

9th generation was a scam.

[dizmo]

4 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

Well, they are a step behind. This isn't really news.

 

The 10th gen should have been what we got instead of the 9th gen.

 

9th generation was a scam.

It wasn't a scam Maybe you should look up what words mean before using them.

[Inkz]

Also everything else is listed only as preorder and can't find it anywhere else, so could be an accident on B and H's side that it's not supposed to be listed. 

[Mister Woof]

4 minutes ago, dizmo said:

It wasn't a scam Maybe you should look up what words mean before using them.

They removed hyperthreading, which was a standard feature of the i7, just so they could create an i9.

 

The i7-9700/k was the only mainstream desktop i7 EVER to lack hyperthreading.

 

This was a dishonest marketing scheme that swindled the consumer into buying an i9.

 

It's painfully obvious Intel themselves are aware of this shortcoming because 10th generation they have included hyperthreading as a standard feature on everything.

[Mister Woof]

Argue semantics, yield excuses, etc., all you want, but in the end, the 9th generation was bubble gum plugs for their leaky product stack ship that deceived customers by their naming schemes.

 

Steve sums it up better than I do. I bolded and underlined the important part.

 

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3421-intel-i7-9700k-review-benchmark-vs-8700k-and-more

 

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The Intel i7-9700K received ample criticism at unveil for being the first “gaming,” S-class i7 in recent history to drop hyperthreading. The move was accompanied by an increase in physical core count to 8C, but followed the previous move from 4C/8T to 6C/12T, and thus felt like an odd middle-step that had forgotten the lessons learned by the 8700K. The decision left enthusiasts feeling ripped-off; rather than a clear improvement in the product category, Intel had made a sort of lateral step.

 

[TrigrH]

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LGA 1151 Processor

i mean it should be....

 

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1558681-REG/intel_bx8070110400_core_i5_10400_processor_12m.html

also in stock

[dizmo]

1 hour ago, Mister Woof said:

They removed hyperthreading, which was a standard feature of the i7, just so they could create an i9.

 

The i7-9700/k was the only mainstream desktop i7 EVER to lack hyperthreading.

 

This was a dishonest marketing scheme that swindled the consumer into buying an i9.

 

It's painfully obvious Intel themselves are aware of this shortcoming because 10th generation they have included hyperthreading as a standard feature on everything.

And yet it still beat AMD when it game to games. Sure, it didn't do everything well, but it did some things best.

Calling it a scam, whether you liked their decisions or not, is factually incorrect.

It's also incorrect to say they swindled anyone. They didn't. Again, learn the word before using it.

[maizenblue]

2 hours ago, dizmo said:

And yet it still beat AMD when it game to games. Sure, it didn't do everything well, but it did some things best.

Calling it a scam, whether you liked their decisions or not, is factually incorrect.

It's also incorrect to say they swindled anyone. They didn't. Again, learn the word before using it.

It beats it in current games for a higher price. Going forward it wont fare as well so if you bought one recently your sol. 

[Mister Woof]

5 hours ago, dizmo said:

And yet it still beat AMD when it game to games. Sure, it didn't do everything well, but it did some things best.

Calling it a scam, whether you liked their decisions or not, is factually incorrect.

It's also incorrect to say they swindled anyone. They didn't. Again, learn the word before using it.

You're arguing semantics. I'll admit my choice of words was deliberately hyperbolic - to drive a point home. 

 

Intel knew it was a mistake, knew it was an underhanded business move to their customers, and fixed it with the 10th gen. 

 

I love me some Intel but I'm not going to let them off the hook for some bullshit in some blind fanboy rage.

 

You being unable to accept that the artificial creation of the i9 wasn't a bullshit move, and focusing on the words I used to describe it, is a bit telling.

 

So while "scam" might not fit the literal definition of the word, in spirit and in practice, it was pretty damned close.