Dipping my toes into high end gaming

[YuppityYap]

So, I have a room that fits a black and white color scheme, and I want to get a pc to match the color scheme. I have a little cubby inside of my desk that would be perfect for the case that I have chosen, and I often attend LAN parties which is why I chose mini ITX. Money isn't really an issue as of right now, though I would like to keep things under $2500. Here is the build. Anything that you might change? 

[Slottr]

Is this just for gaming? What resolution and refresh rate?

[nick name]

Would you entertain switching from Intel to AMD and then getting a 2080ti?

[YuppityYap]

1 minute ago, Slottr said:

Is this just for gaming? What resolution and refresh rate?

144hz @ 1440p. Also, I would like for this pc to be one that I do not have to upgrade for a while.

[nick name]

I'd also go with 16GB of RAM and then get a better cooler.  

[YuppityYap]

6 minutes ago, Slottr said:

Is this just for gaming? What resolution and refresh rate?

Also I like to record and stream for my friends. 

[LFreeman]

3 minutes ago, YuppityYap said:

Also I like to record and stream for my friends. 

Then seriously go AMD. I wish I had

[YuppityYap]

5 minutes ago, nick name said:

Would you entertain switching from Intel to AMD and then getting a 2080ti?

I'm assuming you are suggesting that I go to a 3900x and a 2080 ti, but, with the current mini ITX options available for Ryzen the price falls to about it did when I had a 9900k in there.

6 minutes ago, nick name said:

I'd also go with 16GB of RAM and then get a better cooler.  

Also, this cooler is one of the only black and white cooler options out there. It seems to be pretty good. Which one do you suggest I upgrade to?

[YuppityYap]

Just now, LFreeman said:

Then seriously go AMD. I wish I had

I thought the 9900k was good for streaming. What the difference between it and the high end AMD processors 

[GDRRiley]

Just now, YuppityYap said:

I thought the 9900k was good for streaming. What the difference between it and the high end AMD processors 

it lacks cores

[Slottr]

7 minutes ago, YuppityYap said:

Also I like to record and stream for my friends. 

3900x, 16GB memory.

[GDRRiley]

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor	$432.41 @ Amazon
Motherboard	Asus ROG Strix X570-I Gaming Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard	$339.99 @ Best Buy
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	$159.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Samsung 860 Evo 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$163.40 @ Amazon
Storage	Samsung 970 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$179.99 @ B&H
Video Card	Zotac GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB GAMING Video Card	$729.99 @ B&H
Case	NZXT H210 Mini ITX Tower Case	$78.99 @ B&H
Power Supply	Corsair RMx (2018) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	$144.99 @ Best Buy
Case Fan	Phanteks PH-F140HP II 68.1 CFM 140 mm Fan	$15.99 @ Newegg
Case Fan	Phanteks PH-F140HP II 68.1 CFM 140 mm Fan	$15.99 @ Newegg
Case Fan	Phanteks PH-F140HP II 68.1 CFM 140 mm Fan	$15.99 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$2277.72
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-28 18:57 EDT-0400

 

[YuppityYap]

15 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

it lacks cores

8 core, 16 thread. Wasn't that what the 2700x was? I thought that was a good streaming CPU

[LFreeman]

17 minutes ago, YuppityYap said:

I thought the 9900k was good for streaming. What the difference between it and the high end AMD processors 

I have to dumb down my graphics to stream. I didn't buy a really high end GPU to play at 1080p.

[GDRRiley]

1 minute ago, YuppityYap said:

8 core, 16 thread. Wasn't that what the 2700x was? I thought that was a good streaming CPU

3rd gen brings 12 or 16 at the top

[SpookyCitrus]

6 minutes ago, YuppityYap said:

8 core, 16 thread. Wasn't that what the 2700x was? I thought that was a good streaming CPU

The point is you can get the 3900x for cheaper which is a better streaming CPU with 16 Cores and 24 Threads. Double what the 9900k has, I have the 9900k and I do sometimes wish I had waited(mainly when rendering video, when gaming it's a better processor). However my work case is only gaming and very occasional recording/editing.

[nick name]

25 minutes ago, YuppityYap said:

I'm assuming you are suggesting that I go to a 3900x and a 2080 ti, but, with the current mini ITX options available for Ryzen the price falls to about it did when I had a 9900k in there.

Also, this cooler is one of the only black and white cooler options out there. It seems to be pretty good. Which one do you suggest I upgrade to?

Oh actually I was thinking 8 core.  But I haven't looked at mini ITX for Ryzen and the one I can think of isn't as inexpensive as your current selection so yeah that wouldn't help.  

 

The new black Noctua coolers are sexy af.  

[YuppityYap]

6 minutes ago, SpookyCitrus said:

The point is you can get the 3900x for cheaper which is a better streaming CPU with 16 Cores and 24 Threads. Double what the 9900k has, I have the 9900k and I do sometimes wish I had waited(mainly when rendering video, when gaming it's a better processor). However my work case is only gaming and very occasional recording/editing.

I see, again. I do not know how often I will be streaming so I guess I will ponder about my choice of the 3900x or the 9900k. As for coolers, I said I want to remain with a black/white color scheme on most of my parts. I already have a black/white arctic freezer 34 from a previous build. Should I look into the powerful AIOs or do you think this will do some good cooling on the 9900k/3900x? 

[Dravinian]

I see a lot of posters saying AMD is better for streaming....based on what?

 

This video seems to suggest otherwise, with benchmarks....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZAqV6yo2vo&t=527s

 

i9-9900k - streaming GTA V - 105 fps

i7-9700k - streaming GTA V - 104 fps

R9-3900x - streaming GTA V - 93 fps

R7-3700x - streaming GTA V - 92 fps

 

Posted before I was finished.

Editing is better with AMD, rendering is better, but actually streaming? On what basis is AMD better?

[SpookyCitrus]

1 minute ago, YuppityYap said:

I see, again. I do not know how often I will be streaming so I guess I will ponder about my choice of the 3900x or the 9900k. As for coolers, I said I want to remain with a black/white color scheme on most of my parts. I already have a black/white arctic freezer 34 from a previous build. Should I look into the powerful AIOs or do you think this will do some good cooling on the 9900k/3900x? 

Personally the only air coolers I'd use with either CPU are the Noctua NH-D15(Chromax Black) or Dark Rock Pro 4. If neither of those work with your scheme(they are both solid black), the Corsair H100i Pro White is a good option. I wouldn't go for either the arctic freezer 34 or the one you have in the build list, not enough for either CPU, the one in the build list isn't even compatible with AM4. You definitely want to look at the beefier side of coolers which unfortunately don't have too many black and white options. You could add black and white fans to either but they already come with very decent fans that would be a waste and probably lessen their performance if you were to replace them.

[nick name]

4 minutes ago, YuppityYap said:

I see, again. I do not know how often I will be streaming so I guess I will ponder about my choice of the 3900x or the 9900k. As for coolers, I said I want to remain with a black/white color scheme on most of my parts. I already have a black/white arctic freezer 34 from a previous build. Should I look into the powerful AIOs or do you think this will do some good cooling on the 9900k/3900x? 

The Fractal Design Celsius has one version with white fans.  Or if you go with that black Noctua cooler you can get the white rubber corners to put on the fans.  

[YuppityYap]

Just now, Dravinian said:

I see a lot of posters saying AMD is better for streaming....based on what?

 

This video seems to suggest otherwise, with benchmarks....

 

 

i9-9900k - streaming GTA V - 105 fps

i7-9700k - streaming GTA V - 104 fps

R9-3900x - streaming GTA V - 93 fps

R7-3700x - streaming GTA V - 92 fps

Thanks for the information, I'll definitely look more into it 

[SpookyCitrus]

8 minutes ago, YuppityYap said:

I see, again. I do not know how often I will be streaming

If you don't plan on streaming or doing video editing/rendering products and just want the best raw gaming performance you can get then the 9900k is the better option. In terms of raw gaming performance it has no competitor at this price range.

[celerystruct]

6 minutes ago, Dravinian said:

I see a lot of posters saying AMD is better for streaming....based on what?

 

This video seems to suggest otherwise, with benchmarks....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZAqV6yo2vo&t=527s

 

i9-9900k - streaming GTA V - 105 fps

i7-9700k - streaming GTA V - 104 fps

R9-3900x - streaming GTA V - 93 fps

R7-3700x - streaming GTA V - 92 fps

 

Posted before I was finished.

Editing is better with AMD, rendering is better, but actually streaming? On what basis is AMD better?

Those benchmarks are just for games though. While the 9900k beats AMD on single thread performance AMD beats Intel in multi-thread performance. 

 

AMD is the better choice for streaming because it beats Intel in multi-threaded performance since streaming and playing a game requires good multi-thread performance.

 

Also games will start to take advantage of multi-core applications in the future so there could be more benefits to going with AMD going forward.

[Dravinian]

7 minutes ago, celerystruct said:

Those benchmarks are just for games though. While the 9900k beats AMD on single thread performance AMD beats Intel in multi-thread performance. 

 

AMD is the better choice for streaming because it beats Intel in multi-threaded performance since streaming and playing a game requires good multi-thread performance.

 

Also games will start to take advantage of multi-core applications in the future so there could be more benefits to going with AMD going forward.

No they are not 'just for games', those are the framerates while streaming.

 

Intel, if all you are doing is streaming gameplay, is the better CPU today.

AMD might be better next week, next month, next year.

AMD is better for editing, for rendering and for multitasking.

But I have seen no basis for the claim that AMD is better for streaming today.  Everyone was posting like it was a performance boost over Intel, "it's better for streaming"...well is it? Where is the evidence that AMD is better than intel for streaming, right now?

 

Bear in mind, I bought a Ryzen 9 - 3900x, I am not an Intel fan boy, but be honest about what it can do well and what Intel does better.