Ryzen 5 3600x vs ryzen 7 3700x

[Silentgamer91]

So I decided to upgrade my ryzen 7 2700x to a newer gen chip I wanna know what is the biggest difference between the ryzen 5 3600x and 7 3700x all I'm gonna do is 1440p gaming mostly monster hunter world at 1440p @60fps 

My set up for reference 

Asus b450f strix (newest bios version)

Asus 2060 super 

32 GB 3000hz ram ddr4

[Fasauceome]

for gaming you won't need 8 cores, the 3600 will do.

[GDRRiley]

you aren't going to get a performance jump at 1440p 60

save for a new GPU when they come out in the fall.

Just now, Fasauceome said:

for gaming you won't need 8 cores, the 3600 will do.

read though and you'll see no need to change.

 

Edited April 27, 2020 by GDRRiley

[DailyProcrastinator]

Just now, Silentgamer91 said:

So I decided to upgrade my ryzen 7 2700x to a newer gen chip I wanna know what is the biggest difference between the ryzen 5 3600x and 7 3700x all I'm gonna do is 1440p gaming mostly monster hunter world at 1440p @60fps 

If all you do is game then the performance from a 3600x to 3700x is negligible. That said this upgrade make zero sense, generational upgrade will not yield very high results. I would wait another gen.

 

Have you OC'd your CPU? If not I would, good way to get some extra performance, you can probably OC you memory as well. 

[Jurrunio]

Nah for 1440p 60fps games, 2700x is no slower than 3rd gen as your GPU bottlenecked as is.

[Mister Woof]

12 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Nah for 1440p 60fps games, 2700x is no slower than 3rd gen as your GPU bottlenecked as is.

Not necessarily true, in many games regardless of GPU, when FPS takes a hit, it's from being CPU bound, and a faster CPU will stabilize FPS lows.

Case in point are most MMOs.

 

I'd say, it depends on what games you play. Monster Hunter World seems to be one of these scenarios.

[Hman1250]

15 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

 

Monster Hunter World seems to be one of these scenarios.

I can personally vouch for that.

[Mister Woof]

8 minutes ago, Hman1250 said:

I can personally vouch for that.

I remember back before 8.1 WoW, the difference between my 8700k and my 1600 was huge. Out in the world, it didn't really matter which cpu, but in raids, the 1600 would get brought down to it's knees in the 30s and 40s, where my 8700k could mostly hold 60fps, but even that at 5ghz could tank below 60 sometimes. Both GPUs were well underutilized in raids.

 

110 vs 130fps out in the world? Doesn't really matter. 30 vs 60 during a raid? Yes.

[Silentgamer91]

48 minutes ago, TheDailyProcrastinator said:

If all you do is game then the performance from a 3600x to 3700x is negligible. That said this upgrade make zero sense, generational upgrade will not yield very high results. I would wait another gen.

 

Have you OC'd your CPU? If not I would, good way to get some extra performance, you can probably OC you memory as well. 

That's kinda the reason I wanted to get a 3ed gen I've been trying to oc my ram but everytime I put on docp mode or profile 1 all my games start crashing a lot of what I read only just says the 2and gen CPU has bad memory modules which is why my games crash and get blue screens 

[DailyProcrastinator]

5 minutes ago, Silentgamer91 said:

That's kinda the reason I wanted to get a 3ed gen I've been trying to oc my ram but everytime I put on docp mode or profile 1 all my games start crashing a lot of what I read only just says the 2and gen CPU has bad memory modules which is why my games crash and get blue screens 

The fix here is not changing CPU's. Keep in mind anything past 2666MHz (on most AM4 motherboards) is considered memory overclocking, so regardless of rated speeds, mileage can vary. I recommend manually clocking your memory. 

 

For safe operation I highly recommend the following:

-          Leaving Asus’s EZ-Tuning Utility to ‘Normal’

-          Then in Extreme Tweaker settings leave all CPU settings to Auto.

-          Set RAM to its rated speed. (IE set a 3200MHz kit to 3200MHz)

-          DRAM Voltage – 1.3500V

-          Save and post into windows

 

Run stress tests like Cinebench R20 or  3Dmark to test stability, if you crash and get the blue screen with a Windows stop code error not to worry, boot back into Bios if not stable ad an extra 0.025V incrementally (up to 1.4500V max) until stable. 

[Jurrunio]

38 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

Not necessarily true, in many games regardless of GPU, when FPS takes a hit, it's from being CPU bound, and a faster CPU will stabilize FPS lows.

Case in point are most MMOs.

 

I'd say, it depends on what games you play. Monster Hunter World seems to be one of these scenarios.

MMOs like DOTA 2 when there's very low GPU usage in the first place

https://wccftech.com/monster-hunter-world-pc-gpu-performance-and-ryzen-core-scaling/

If Vega 64LC and GTX 1080 at 1440p cant even go over what Ryzen 7 1700 can do at 1080p in frame rates, then it's not a problem

 

1080ti is faster than a 2060S, still full GPU usage all the time

 

12 minutes ago, Silentgamer91 said:

That's kinda the reason I wanted to get a 3ed gen I've been trying to oc my ram but everytime I put on docp mode or profile 1 all my games start crashing a lot of what I read only just says the 2and gen CPU has bad memory modules which is why my games crash and get blue screens 

Dont let it reach what it's rated for then, try manually select a lower frequency

[Mister Woof]

13 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

MMOs like DOTA 2 when there's very low GPU usage in the first place

https://wccftech.com/monster-hunter-world-pc-gpu-performance-and-ryzen-core-scaling/

If Vega 64LC and GTX 1080 at 1440p cant even go over what Ryzen 7 1700 can do at 1080p in frame rates, then it's not a problem

 

1080ti is faster than a 2060S, still full GPU usage all the time

 

Dont let it reach what it's rated for then, try manually select a lower frequency

This may or may not be representative of all gameplay scenarios - i don't know because I don't play that game. I just googled that it seems to be very CPU intensive. 

 

Put yourself in most other MMOs, and CPUs will dictate minimum levels of performance (and this, consequently, is when it matters most), not GPUs.

 

The idea, "a 3600x won't perform better than a 2600x because its GPU bound anyway" is only sometimes true. It's not an absolute.

 

An example is World of Warcraft, where given two systems with identical GPUs, the one with the faster CPU will perform better in raid scenarios because both are totally CPU bound. Same goes for FFXIV; in busy areas my gameplay will tank into the 50s sometimes, on my 1600 the same scenario is the 40s. Neither one has GPU even close to maxed out. But clearly, the 8700 (or 3600, close) fares better.

 

So again, it depends on the game.

[Jurrunio]

23 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

This may or may not be representative of all gameplay scenarios - i don't know because I don't play that game. I just googled that it seems to be very CPU intensive. 

 

Put yourself in most other MMOs, and CPUs will dictate minimum levels of performance (and this, consequently, is when it matters most), not GPUs.

 

The absolute, "a 3600x won't perform better than a 2600x because its GPU bound anyway" is only sometimes true. It's not an absolute.

 

An example is World of Warcraft, where given two systems with identical GPUs, the one with the faster CPU will perform better in raid scenarios because both are totally CPU bound.

World of Warcraft... Then I understand what has gone wrong, you're comparing MHW to the wrong type of MMOs. WOW does not have a reasonably large and detailed 3D world like MHW, which is more comparable to say Anthem or Apex Legends.

[Mister Woof]

21 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

World of Warcraft... Then I understand what has gone wrong, you're comparing MHW to the wrong type of MMOs. WOW does not have a reasonably large and detailed 3D world like MHW, which is more comparable to say Anthem or Apex Legends.

Basis of my comment was that it depends on the game (and scenario), specifically identifying MMOs. Lots of these games will get pegged on CPU, so a faster 3600 is more useful than a 2600 even if most of the time the 2600 can power a GPU. It's important to inform people that although under most circumstances, x CPU can power y GPU, sometimes, the difference in CPU will make a very large difference.

 

And WoW can and certainly does saturate a GPU when you let it. It has one of the largest seamless worlds in gaming. WoW at 1440p out in the world certainly can hammer a high-end GPU to 100% and still be limited by that. The issue is, that's not when low FPS happens, nor when it matters. When it does happen, CPU matters the most, and it will make a difference which CPU you chose.

 

The same can be said of FFXIV, BDO, etc. etc. 

 

We've got one guy here who makes the same thread every month or so complaining about his 2600 and RTX 2060. It seems that people get this idea in their head that "this CPU won't bottleneck this GPU, they say" and they cling to these sayings like they are absolutes. So, I think it's meaningful to identify that in many games a 2700x will be fine with x or y gpu and n or p resolution, but there will be times and scenarios where that's not always the case and a faster CPU would have been a benefit.

 

When Ryzen came out, we had troves of people "upgrading" from haswell i5's to Ryzens to play WoW, only to find performance tanked with 1080 ti's. The understanding of CPU/GPU balance isn't always well understood by a lot of people.

[Jurrunio]

12 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

Basis of my comment was that it depends on the game. Lots of games will get pegged on CPU, so a faster 3600 is more useful than a 2600 even if most of the time the 2600 can power a GPU.

 

And WoW can and certainly can saturate a GPU when you let it. It has one of the largest seamless worlds in gaming. WoW at 1440p out in the world certainly can hammer a GPU to 100% and still be limited by that. The issue is, that's not when low FPS happens, nor when it matters.

what I'm telling you is that MHW is not like WOW in terms of hardware usage, so your experience does not apply. If high refresh rate gaming is not the target, older Ryzen is fine for MHW (or any game really, otherwise older Intel CPUs will also fall over)

[Mister Woof]

6 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

what I'm telling you is that MHW is not like WOW in terms of hardware usage, so your experience does not apply. If high refresh rate gaming is not the target, older Ryzen is fine for MHW (or any game really, otherwise older Intel CPUs will also fall over)

I'm not arguing that it is. Originally, I said MHW seemed like it was, but I also said it was based on just quick Google because I don't play it.

 

He also says mostly MHW, not only MHW. I wanted to point out that your statement (which on its own was not in the context of solely MHW, you said "games") is not an absolute. 

 

It seems to be on point for MHW, but if he's anything like most MMO players, he will bounce around during patch cycles between games.

[Fatih19]

3 hours ago, TheDailyProcrastinator said:

If all you do is game then the performance from a 3600x to 3700x is negligible. That said this upgrade make zero sense, generational upgrade will not yield very high results. I would wait another gen.

 

Have you OC'd your CPU? If not I would, good way to get some extra performance, you can probably OC you memory as well. 

Yeah, I agree. If I were him (which I am since I also have a 2700x), I would wait for the upcoming 4000 series that is planned to be released this year.

[Silentgamer91]

On 4/26/2020 at 8:31 PM, Silentgamer91 said:

So I decided to upgrade my ryzen 7 2700x to a newer gen chip I wanna know what is the biggest difference between the ryzen 5 3600x and 7 3700x all I'm gonna do is 1440p gaming mostly monster hunter world at 1440p @60fps 

My set up for reference 

Asus b450f strix (newest bios version)

Asus 2060 super 

32 GB 3000hz ram ddr4

Ok so I know alot of you guys said that getting a 3700x wouldn't make that much of a difference but I went ahead and got it and honestly it made all the difference in the world the GPU isn't bottlenecked and I can easily put my ram to 3200mhz using D.O.C.P profile 1 and it runs at 4.2ghz all the time with no struggle at all and in a game like Monster hunter world which is CPU bound I got a total of 32 fps gain I mean I playing 1440p@90 fps with no problems at all and after hours of gameplay the cpu never went over 55c. Idk maybe I got a bad 2700x chip but the 3700x is a very welcome upgrade I'm very satisfied plus all my problems are gone.

On 4/26/2020 at 11:59 PM, Fatih19 said:

Yeah, I agree. If I were him (which I am since I also have a 2700x), I would wait for the upcoming 4000 series that is planned to be released this year.