Anyone playing 3A titles at 4K?

[Zyleyus]

Recently I was playing the Assassin's Creed series, and I came to notice that Unity and Syndicate doesn't run on my Threadripper. After some research, I forced my TR to run at 32 threads instead of 48, which solved the "crash in 2 sec" problem.

Then I realized another problem, the game wouldn't run at 60 fps with my 2 2080Tis, at top settings, which GFE recommended. In the game settings, I can see that the game can only use 11 gigs of my vram, which is one card, and top settings uses up more than 10 gigs, and brings the game down to around 40 fps.

But wat's funny is that I saw a GPU test from a game media, showing that 2060 can run Odyssey (newest, 2018) at more than 100 fps at 1080p??

After doing some more research, I found that only Black Flag (2013) from the AC franchise supports SLI. However, back in 2014 when Unity was out, people should only have 900 cards, without sli, how can they run them smoothly? And six years later there's still no way to run these games at 4k? Or do I need a TITAN RTX?

 

[Fasauceome]

welcome to the assassins creed franchise, famously unoptimizeed for PC.

[JoostinOnline]

The latest AC games aren't well optimized. Combine that with your CPU, which is certainly not a good gaming CPU (there's very little reason to have more than 6 cores), and the fact that you're trying to use SLI (an abandoned technology) means it's not going to work well.

 

Most expensive doesn't mean best. It's called bleeding edge because it hasn't been tested.

[Zyleyus]

Or is that these games dislike AMD CPUs? Mine run Total War Warhammer II at astonishing 50% load with only 17~fps, no other games on my pc does that, while my friend's 9900K stays at only 3.6? (he might have got sth wrong but it shouldn't be higher that mine)

[Dedayog]

Did SLI even work properly with AC?

[Zyleyus]

2 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

The latest AC games aren't well optimized. Combine that with your CPU, which is certainly not a good gaming CPU (there's very little reason to have more than 6 cores), and the fact that you're trying to use SLI (an abandoned technology) means it's not going to work well.

 

Most expensive doesn't mean best. It's called bleeding edge because it hasn't been tested.

So does a cpu like this "bottlenecks" gaming? Well I mean it's expensive and I've seen people game with 2990WXs.

[JoostinOnline]

1 minute ago, Zyleyus said:

Or is that these games dislike AMD CPUs? Mine run Total War Warhammer II at astonishing 50% load with only 17~fps, no other games on my pc does that, while my friend's 9900K stays at only 3.6? (he might have got sth wrong but it shouldn't be higher that mine)

It's got nothing to do with the brand. It's that you're using hardware that's not made for gaming. The Intel server chips have the same problems.

[JoostinOnline]

Just now, Zyleyus said:

So does a cpu like this "bottlenecks" gaming?

Yes.

[Zyleyus]

Just now, JoostinOnline said:

It's got nothing to do with the brand. It's that you're using hardware that's not made for gaming. The Intel server chips have the same problems.

So if I went with a 9900K or 3950X, it'll be much better and will run at 4K?

[JoostinOnline]

3 minutes ago, Zyleyus said:

So if I went with a 9900K or 3950X, it'll be much better and will run at 4K?

If you want the best results, get a 3600X or a 9700k, and take out one of the 2080 Ti's. You need to stop wasting money on the highest end stuff.

[Zyleyus]

6 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

Did SLI even work properly with AC?

I wanted to try BF but the cloud can't sync my saves from another PC. BF was out at a time when people like to game with multiple gpus?

[Zyleyus]

10 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

welcome to the assassins creed franchise, famously unoptimizeed for PC.

Though my old pc was old, but it was well over the "recommended specs" (actually even over Origin's lowest specs), which could game at 40 fps at lowest, for Black Flag. So I can't trust Ubi's specs on Steam..?

 

[JoostinOnline]

1 minute ago, Zyleyus said:

I wanted to try BF but the cloud can't sync my saves from another PC. BF was out at a time when people like to game with multiple gpus?

Depends on what Battlefield you mean. But people didn't stop because they no longer liked it. It's because SLI doesn't scale well. It's been abandoned by NVIDIA. There's no reason to use it, because it doesn't improve performance. It just causes problems.

[Zyleyus]

5 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

If you want the best results, get a 3600X or a 9700k, and take out one of the 2080 Ti's. You need to stop wasting money on the highest end stuff.

2 GPUs work worse than one? I dunno if AC uses two or just one, becasue A Plague Tale uses about 1.2 while Minecraft only uses one.

Actually I bought this for 3D modelling and it renders pretty well IMO. But I regret buying almost everything other than the CPU, mobo, and GPUs.

[Zyleyus]

15 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

Depends on what Battlefield you mean. But people didn't stop because they no longer liked it. It's because SLI doesn't scale well. It's been abandoned by NVIDIA. There's no reason to use it, because it doesn't improve performance. It just causes problems.

I mean Assassin's Creed Black Flag lol

I know that, Linus explained that in one of his vids

[JoostinOnline]

5 minutes ago, Zyleyus said:

2 GPUs work worse than one? I dunno if AC uses two or just one, becasue A Plague Tale uses about 1.2 while Minecraft only uses one.

Actually I bought this for 3D modelling and it renders pretty well IMO. But I regret buying almost everything other than the CPU, mobo, and GPUs.

Yes. And for 3D modeling your setup sounds great.  It's one of the only things that can actually use that hardware.  Unlike the games, it doesn't run in SLI.  It uses something called NVLink.  It's designed for more than 4-8 cores as well, so it doesn't matter that the individual cores on Threadripper are slow.  Games aren't like that though.  They need a few fast cores and one GPU.

Just now, Zyleyus said:

I mean Assassin's Creed Black Flag lol

I know that, Linus explained that in one of his vids

Black Flag is supposed to work with SLI, but it causes problems.  For an older title like that, you shouldn't need two 2080 Ti's anyway.  Even with every setting maxed out, my 980 Ti holds a steady 60fps at 1440p, and it's only at around 80% usage.  A single 2080 Ti should be able to run it at 4K without issue.

[jones177]

I play AAA titles at 4k every day.

 

My 4k setup is a i7 8086k with all cores at 5ghz and a EVGA 2080 ti XC that runs at 1965mhz most of the time.  It is not my most powerful setup but it had no trouble keeping all frames over 60 in AC:O. I have several other older Assassin Creed titles and they all are easier to run than AC:O.

I did play Black Flag at 4k but don't remember having issues with it.

On 4/21/2020 at 10:02 PM, Zyleyus said:

Then I realized another problem, the game wouldn't run at 60 fps with my 2 2080Tis, at top settings, which GFE recommended. In the game settings, I can see that the game can only use 11 gigs of my vram, which is one card, and top settings uses up more than 10 gigs, and brings the game down to around 40 fps.

 

With SLI, only the vram on the first card is used.  This was not an issue for me when my 4k setup used GTX 1080 ti in SLI since only my modded games used over 10gbs and they used 4 and 8k textures.

On 4/21/2020 at 10:02 PM, Zyleyus said:

, I found that only Black Flag (2013) from the AC franchise supports SLI. However, back in 2014 when Unity was out, people should only have 900 cards, without sli, how can they run them smoothly? And six years later there's still no way to run these games at 4k? Or do I need a TITAN RTX?

I had a GTX 980 ti SLI setup but that was in 2015 and I also bought my first 4k monitor in that year. In 2014 I played at 1080p and had no issues with any games with a GTX 980 along with a i7 2600k.

 

I will download Black Flag now and see how it runs now and let you know. It is the type of thing I do for fun.  

 

 

[Zyleyus]

6 minutes ago, jones177 said:

I play AAA titles at 4k every day.

 

My 4k setup is a i7 8086k with all cores at 5ghz and a EVGA 2080 ti XC that runs at 1965mhz most of the time.  It is not my most powerful setup but it had no trouble keeping all frames over 60 in AC:O. I have several other older Assassin Creed titles and they all are easier to run than AC:O.

I did play Black Flag at 4k but don't remember having issues with it.

With SLI, only the vram on the first card is used.  This was not an issue for me when my 4k setup used GTX 1080 ti in SLI since only my modded games used over 10gbs and they used 4 and 8k textures.

I had a GTX 980 ti SLI setup but that was in 2015 and I also bought my first 4k monitor in that year. In 2014 I played at 1080p and had no issues with any games with a GTX 980 along with a i7 2600k.

 

I will download Black Flag now and see how it runs now and let you know. It is the type of thing I do for fun.  

 

 

But GTA V can use 22GB of VRAM?

Thanks for the testing BTW

[jones177]

1 hour ago, Zyleyus said:

But GTA V can use 22GB of VRAM?

Thanks for the testing BTW

Since my video cards have only 11gbs vram and SLI only uses the vram from the first card I can't test for more.

 

I don't own GTA V but if it is dirt cheap I would not mind getting it for testing.  I do have RDR 2 and it only averages 100mbs more at 4k than 1440p.

[jones177]

I did run Black Flag at 4k and the 2080 ti bearly ticks over doing it. 

I tried the get the game to run over 60fps but switching off vsync in the game, in the Nvidia control panel and G-sync on my OLED TV did not do it. 

Here is a pic.

 

It is strange because the GPU works harder with vsync off but the frame rate stays the same.

 

I also have Unity but I don't remember playing it. 

Since I am a shut-in now I will install it if you want a comparison. 

 

[Zyleyus]

1 hour ago, jones177 said:

Since my video cards have only 11gbs vram and SLI only uses the vram from the first card I can't test for more.

 

I don't own GTA V but if it is dirt cheap I would not mind getting it for testing.  I do have RDR 2 and it only averages 100mbs more at 4k than 1440p.

I've heard that it's not much of a difference between 1080p and 4K for RDR2. GTA V is also a well optimized game that a lot of people play, I'd recommend you buy one when on sale if you'd like to have one for testing.

1 hour ago, jones177 said:

I did run Black Flag at 4k and the 2080 ti bearly ticks over doing it. 

I tried the get the game to run over 60fps but switching off vsync in the game, in the Nvidia control panel and G-sync on my OLED TV did not do it. 

Here is a pic.

 

It is strange because the GPU works harder with vsync off but the frame rate stays the same.

 

I also have Unity but I don't remember playing it. 

Since I am a shut-in now I will install it if you want a comparison. 

 

I'll go test these games later as I do own them both. I'll post the results here after that.

[Zyleyus]

On 4/23/2020 at 1:54 PM, jones177 said:

I did run Black Flag at 4k and the 2080 ti bearly ticks over doing it. 

I tried the get the game to run over 60fps but switching off vsync in the game, in the Nvidia control panel and G-sync on my OLED TV did not do it. 

Here is a pic.

 

It is strange because the GPU works harder with vsync off but the frame rate stays the same.

 

I also have Unity but I don't remember playing it. 

Since I am a shut-in now I will install it if you want a comparison. 

 

Sry for the delay, I've been taking exams online in the past few days. Now that I've finished, my PC won't run Unity or Syndicate, even if I force my TR to run at 16 threads. (Before it can run at 8 or 32 threads)

I'll try sth else to solve this.

[Ithanul]

On 4/21/2020 at 9:02 PM, Zyleyus said:

Recently I was playing the Assassin's Creed series, and I came to notice that Unity and Syndicate doesn't run on my Threadripper. After some research, I forced my TR to run at 32 threads instead of 48, which solved the "crash in 2 sec" problem.

Then I realized another problem, the game wouldn't run at 60 fps with my 2 2080Tis, at top settings, which GFE recommended. In the game settings, I can see that the game can only use 11 gigs of my vram, which is one card, and top settings uses up more than 10 gigs, and brings the game down to around 40 fps.

But wat's funny is that I saw a GPU test from a game media, showing that 2060 can run Odyssey (newest, 2018) at more than 100 fps at 1080p??

After doing some more research, I found that only Black Flag (2013) from the AC franchise supports SLI. However, back in 2014 when Unity was out, people should only have 900 cards, without sli, how can they run them smoothly? And six years later there's still no way to run these games at 4k? Or do I need a TITAN RTX?

 

NUMA, some games straight up throw a fit over it.  Not all games though are touchy about it.

 

I had a similar issue with Civ 5 until I put in some commands to tell it to stick to one node.  Or, using Ryzen Master, turn one node off and set the RAM to local instead of distributed.

 

Also, as others stated, Assassin Creed series is not know for being optimized.  Highly advise to tweak setting until you get performance and graphic quality that works for you at the resolution you are aiming towards.  But yeah, don't expect high fps from a Threadripper.  This coming from another individual that has a 1950X that I use for gaming on the side. 

[jones177]

12 hours ago, Zyleyus said:

Sry for the delay, I've been taking exams online in the past few days. Now that I've finished, my PC won't run Unity or Syndicate, even if I force my TR to run at 16 threads. (Before it can run at 8 or 32 threads)

I'll try sth else to solve this.

Good luck.

 

I did do some more tests with an older system on Black Flag and Unity.

 

Here is what the same scene in Black Flag at 4k on a i7 6700k(4 core 8 thread) with GTX 1080s in SLI and a single card. CPU and the GPU usage looks normal unlike the 2080 ti scene. 

 

 

I also tried Assassin's Creed Unity and it runs like a modern Ubisoft game.  The Ultra High preset at 60fps is beyond a 2080 ti and a 5ghz CPU but the Very High preset is doable.

 

 

[Zyleyus]

11 hours ago, jones177 said:

Good luck.

 

I did do some more tests with an older system on Black Flag and Unity.

 

Here is what the same scene in Black Flag at 4k on a i7 6700k(4 core 8 thread) with GTX 1080s in SLI and a single card. CPU and the GPU usage looks normal unlike the 2080 ti scene. 

 

 

I also tried Assassin's Creed Unity and it runs like a modern Ubisoft game.  The Ultra High preset at 60fps is beyond a 2080 ti and a 5ghz CPU but the Very High preset is doable.

 

 

So modern Ubisoft titles are all like this? I've got Tomb Raider 10 and it runs well above 60 fps (no idea what 'cause I got V-sync) at max without motion blur. It's newer than Unity I believe.

And can I use Afterburner with an ASUS card?