Posted March 12, 2020 I posted about 5G for a school project earlier, but this is just genuine curiosity. What are your thoughts? Do you support it? Are you against it? Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 12, 2020 Why not to support it? Sure, 5g compatible devices cost more, but that is because it is a new technology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 12, 2020 Kind of needs a 3rd option. I'm not against it, but I'm not going to go out and get a new/more expensive cellphone just to get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 12, 2020 Author 1 minute ago, EL02 said: Why not to support it? Sure, 5g compatible devices cost more, but that is because it is a new technology. I say this because I know a looot of ppl who are against it bc it apparently emanates harmful radiation. I personally am for it, because there's no real proof for the radiation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 12, 2020 Whats not to support? Im not going to replace my phone for it or even pay extra for a model with it. but im all for people that want to to be able to. I dont use alot of mobile data though basically everywhere I go has wifi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, tmski23 said: I say this because I know a looot of ppl who are against it bc it apparently emanates harmful radiation. I personally am for it, because there's no real proof for the radiation. If it were a real problem, goverments would in no way allow it. Faster internet speed means no harm at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 12, 2020 28 minutes ago, Worstcaster said: Kind of needs a 3rd option. I'm not against it, but I'm not going to go out and get a new/more expensive cellphone just to get it. I agree since 5G needs like a few years to mature as phones and data plans to be more affordable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 12, 2020 I agree, there needs to be a 3rd option, I'm not against 5G either but I don't plan on getting a phone just to have 5G. Also considering there isn't even decent 4G coverage in some places, I don't see the point in rushing out to get an expensive 5G phone that wouldn't really be an upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 12, 2020 I don't think you'll find someone against it on this forum. The crazies on social media against it, likely never finished High School or simply failed their science class. It's non-ionizing "radiation". Meaning it doesn't affect your cells in any way, bad or good. The same way FM radio or WiFi is non-ionizing. Regardless of how high on the electromagnetic spectrum 5G is. It's still non-ionizing radiation. But the clueless sees the word "radiation" and they jump up the curtains thinking it's bad. Hence why I say they failed their science class. Then they latch onto every little things they think they understand and twist the wording to fits their bias. CPU: AMD Ryzen 3700x / GPU: Asus Radeon RX 6750XT OC 12GB / RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 2x8GB DDR4-3200 MOBO: MSI B450m Gaming Plus / NVME: Corsair MP510 240GB / Case: TT Core v21 / PSU: Seasonic 750W / OS: Win 10 Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 12, 2020 40 minutes ago, tmski23 said: I say this because I know a looot of ppl who are against it bc it apparently emanates harmful radiation. I personally am for it, because there's no real proof for the radiation. While it is indeed true that the energy emitted CAN burn your skin if it is powerful enough. Think your microwave, how small it is and how much power is needed too cook things. You can look up the Inverse square law which basically disproves any real "danger" to the general populace as far as 4g and 5g towers go. The FCC permits an ERP of up to 500 watts per channel depending on tower height, but the majority of cell towers in urban and suburban areas operate at an ERP of 100 watts per channel or less, which over a distance of about 10 inches would effectively be about 1w of energy. (if I did my math correctly) Specs v-v Spoiler Cpu: Ryzen 9 3900x @ 1.1v / Motherboard: Asus Prime X570-P / Ram: 32GB 3000Mhz 16-16-16-36 Team Vulcan (4x8GB) / Storage: 1x 1TB Lite-on EP2, 2x 128GB PM851 SSD, 3x 1TB WD Blues / Gpu: GTX Titan X (Pascal) / Case: Corsair 400c Carbide / Psu: Corsair RMi 750w / OS: Windows 10 Spoiler I'm lonely, PM me to be my friend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 12, 2020 1 hour ago, TetraSky said: I don't think you'll find someone against it on this forum. The crazies on social media against it, likely never finished High School or simply failed their science class. It's non-ionizing "radiation". Meaning it doesn't affect your cells in any way, bad or good. The same way FM radio or WiFi is non-ionizing. Regardless of how high on the electromagnetic spectrum 5G is. It's still non-ionizing radiation. But the clueless sees the word "radiation" and they jump up the curtains thinking it's bad. Hence why I say they failed their science class. Then they latch onto every little things they think they understand and twist the wording to fits their bias. While I understand what you're getting at, there are plenty of forms of harmful non ionized radiation that seriously compromise cells. For a great example, take a look at melanoma. MacBook Pro 16 - i9-9980HK - Radeon Pro 5500m 8GB - 32GB DDR4 - 2TB NVME iPhone 12 Mini / Sony WH-1000XM4 / Bose Companion 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Vitamanic said: While I understand what you're getting at, there are plenty of forms of harmful non ionized radiation that seriously compromise cells. For a great example, take a look at melanoma. If you're going to talk about how RF burns can damage cells, then you better also talk about how grabbing a hot pan can as well because cell damage is cause by the same mechanism. Case: Phanteks Evolve X with ITX mount cpu: Ryzen 3900X 4.35ghz all cores Motherboard: MSI X570 Unify gpu: EVGA 1070 SC psu: Phanteks revolt x 1200W Memory: 64GB Kingston Hyper X oc'd to 3600mhz ssd: Sabrent Rocket 4.0 1TB ITX System CPU: 4670k Motherboard: some cheap asus h87 Ram: 16gb corsair vengeance 1600mhz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, bob345 said: If you're going to talk about how RF burns can damage cells, then you better also talk about how grabbing a hot pan can as well because cell damage is cause by the same mechanism. Melanoma has nothing to do with RF, lol. MacBook Pro 16 - i9-9980HK - Radeon Pro 5500m 8GB - 32GB DDR4 - 2TB NVME iPhone 12 Mini / Sony WH-1000XM4 / Bose Companion 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 12, 2020 2 hours ago, tmski23 said: I posted about 5G for a school project earlier, but this is just genuine curiosity. What are your thoughts? Do you support it? Are you against it? Why? There is no reason not to support it unless: a) it will compromise your quality of life (see what happened with Pokemon Go) b) you work in the customer/tech support department of a wireless company Basically with A, there's the potential for rollouts to be haphazard, but otherwise should be no different from existing 4G and 3G sites. With Pokemon Go, specific locations attracted a lot of foot traffic that otherwise rarely has any. So couple that with locations with "good" 5G access and it does create a potential for people to congregate near good access nodes. But it's also mostly a non-issue if there are no attractions nearby (eg shopping, hotels, conventions, sporting events, music festivals, etc) As it is right now indoor places suck for 4G, especially convention centers, since the property owner will not permit enough cellular coverage indoors because they want to charge guests to use their expensive congested WiFi instead. With B, Siebel was awful when it was used by AT&T Wireless, and I hope the current AT&T (formerly cingular) dumped it the second they got the chance. For those who don't know, AT&T actually had like a dozen different systems that you needed logins for, of which the GSM system added an additional three or so logins to the already insane amount of logins. It was a miracle it worked at all. So I do expect a lot of teething problems with 5G rollouts, no matter which carrier in which country you use, though especially Verizon. Verizon is the one carrier in the world who partners with nobody else, and thus I'm guessing they probably rolled their own software to have that hybrid LTE 4G with CDMA fallback rollout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 12, 2020 19 minutes ago, Vitamanic said: While I understand what you're getting at, there are plenty of forms of harmful non ionized radiation that seriously compromise cells. For a great example, take a look at melanoma. Last I checked, that's caused by high frequency UV radiation from the sun and such things. UV can be both non-ionized radiation and ionized radiation depending on the frequency. But even the higher end of UV on the spectrum, can at most only penetrate the skin (hence melanoma, or skin cancer). 5G is WAY lower on the spectrum than even the lowest end of UV, which is non-ionized radiation. You'd have to basically hug the antenna for long period of times to have any negative effects. Inches away from it and it's essentially harmless... Even microwaves, if you fire one up without a door, just standing a few feet away is safe. As for the sun... It's not for nothing that while you are recommended to spend some time in the sun for your daily dose of Vitamin D, it's recommended that you stay out of the sun as much as possible and that even sunblock lotion isn't as effective as wearing clothes or staying out of the sun altogether. CPU: AMD Ryzen 3700x / GPU: Asus Radeon RX 6750XT OC 12GB / RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 2x8GB DDR4-3200 MOBO: MSI B450m Gaming Plus / NVME: Corsair MP510 240GB / Case: TT Core v21 / PSU: Seasonic 750W / OS: Win 10 Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, Vitamanic said: Melanoma has nothing to do with RF, lol. Then what is your point exactly? 5G is RF, specifically mm wave around 29ghz and 31ghz depending on the band. Mid and low band 5g is not all that different from current cellular infrastructure. Case: Phanteks Evolve X with ITX mount cpu: Ryzen 3900X 4.35ghz all cores Motherboard: MSI X570 Unify gpu: EVGA 1070 SC psu: Phanteks revolt x 1200W Memory: 64GB Kingston Hyper X oc'd to 3600mhz ssd: Sabrent Rocket 4.0 1TB ITX System CPU: 4670k Motherboard: some cheap asus h87 Ram: 16gb corsair vengeance 1600mhz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 12, 2020 8 minutes ago, TetraSky said: Last I checked, that's caused by high frequency UV radiation from the sun and such things. UV can be both non-ionized radiation and ionized radiation depending on the frequency. But even the higher end of UV on the spectrum, can at most only penetrate the skin (hence melanoma, or skin cancer). 5G is WAY lower on the spectrum than even the lowest end of UV, which is non-ionized radiation. You'd have to basically hug the antenna for long period of times to have any negative effects. As for the sun... It's not for nothing that while you are recommended to spend some time in the sun for your daily dose of Vitamin D, it's recommended that you stay out of the sun as much as possible and that even sunblock lotion isn't as effective as wearing clothes or staying out of the sun altogether. UV that reaches your skin is non ionized. Shortwave UV -is- ionized but is entirely filtered out by our atmosphere. However, that pesky non ionized UV can still cause your skin cells to mutate. Regardless, I was giving you an example of non ionized radiation that does infact damage cells. You stated in blanket terms that it can't, which is false. MacBook Pro 16 - i9-9980HK - Radeon Pro 5500m 8GB - 32GB DDR4 - 2TB NVME iPhone 12 Mini / Sony WH-1000XM4 / Bose Companion 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 12, 2020 1 minute ago, bob345 said: Then what is your point exactly? 5G is RF, specifically mm wave around 29ghz and 31ghz depending on the band. Mid and low band 5g is not all that different from current cellular infrastructure. I was replying to someone who incorrectly stated that non ionized radiation can't harm cells. I'm guessing you didn't read the post I was replying to. MacBook Pro 16 - i9-9980HK - Radeon Pro 5500m 8GB - 32GB DDR4 - 2TB NVME iPhone 12 Mini / Sony WH-1000XM4 / Bose Companion 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 13, 2020 3 hours ago, tmski23 said: I posted about 5G for a school project earlier, but this is just genuine curiosity. What are your thoughts? Do you support it? Are you against it? Why? I support it because its the only chance I might be able to tell Comcast to fuck off. But we will have to see. I just want to sit back and watch the world burn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 13, 2020 From what I understand faster mobile Internet is just a byproduct of 5g. It seems inevitable that we are going to see self driving vehicles relatively soon. 5g is is vital for safe operation. Then there is the case for smart cities. Again the low latency is so important for the smooth running. A lot more to it than gaming and 4k noods on the go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Marbo said: inevitable that we are going to see self driving vehicles relatively soon Yeah in about 3 or 4 decades when they have it all worked out. Currently on the current infustructure its not going to work well. Our roads are not equiped and well unless these AI's are smart as fuck, they going to crash because many people are not giving up on driving yet. I just want to sit back and watch the world burn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Donut417 said: Yeah in about 3 or 4 decades when they have it all worked out. Currently on the current infustructure its not going to work well. Our roads are not equiped and well unless these AI's are smart as fuck, they going to crash because many people are not giving up on driving yet. Yep, I agree. If we're working on the vehicles now then we also need to work on infrastructure. It all needs to advance together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 13, 2020 Ordered a S20 Ultra 5G a few days ago. Seems like a pretty future-proof phone. I live in a city with 5G, but having a 5G phone here doesn't seem to be worth it. When I'm walking around I only get a couple seconds of 5G before it becomes 4G and then 5G again. My PC : Ryzen 7 3800X | ROG Crosshair VIII Hero WiFi | Trident Z RGB 32 GB DDR4-3600 | Aorus RTX 2080 SUPER | NZXT H710 | MP600 2 TB, 970 EVO Plus 2 TB, WD Black 4 TB HDD | SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 750W | NZXT KRAKEN X72 + a bunch of corsair ql rgb fans Peripherals : G Pro Wireless, G513 Carbon (Linear), Corsair Virtuoso RGB SE , LG 38GL950G-B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 13, 2020 This kind of seems like a 'would you still prefer 56k' or 'how about them 1xRTT'. That being said, Sprint is doing a terrible job locally of impacting existing tower connectivity as they upgrade. We have a lot of remote workers at my company and there's hundreds of 'omg I get no coverage now' tickets. PC : 3600 · Crosshair VI WiFi · 2x16GB RGB 3200 · 1080Ti SC2 · 1TB WD SN750 · EVGA 1600G2 · Define C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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