Why can't Asrock put proper fan control on their motherboards?

[BattleToads]

This is extremely frustrating. I just built a new machine with an Asrock B450M-HDV motherboard. I upgraded from an Asrock H77M that had the same issue, and worse.

 

On the old rig, the maximum target CPU temperature was 65 degrees, no matter what. This meant that your CPU fan would spin at 100% (loud AF) trying to keep the CPU at 65 when there is nothing wrong with it running hotter than that. (and quieter) In addition, only one of the chassis fans was able to have its RPMs controlled. The other one spun at 100% regardless.

 

Here we are, eight years later, and Asrock still hasn't figured out that people have more than one case fan? The 'CPU fan' and 'chassis fan 1' are 4 pin connectors, meaning they can be controlled. The 'chassis fan 2' is a lowly 3-pin connector, so it stays on at 100%, regardless.

 

Does Asrock really expect people who build their own machine to only use one case fan?! This is absolutely ridiculous to me. How much more could it possibly cost them to put on a 4-pin PWM connector as opposed to a 3-pin? Yes, I am aware that this is somewhat of an entry-level motherboard, but the manual or website make absolutely no mention of this, whatsoever. In addition, the manual advertises that the board has the "Fantastic" option available in the BIOS. It does not. The board was Ryzen 3000 ready out of the box, so I don't know how many more BIOS updates are available, and even if they are, I don't see how that will bypass the 3-pin limitation.

 

Is there anything I can do before I sell this motherboard and write Asrock a nasty email for false advertising? I don't think I'll be buying any more Asrock products. 

[Constantin]

Asrock is crap and espcially a 80$ board.

[BattleToads]

2 minutes ago, Constantin said:

Asrock is crap and espcially a 80$ board.

Fortunately, I didn't pay that much for it. Have any suggestions for a cheap (good) replacement? 

[Guiltyxz]

Just now, BattleToads said:

Fortunately, I didn't pay that much for it. Have any suggestions for a cheap (good) replacement? 

I would just either sell it and get a new board, my ASUS PRIME B450-PLUS has 3 4pin headers and good fan control software (AI Suite 3)

 

[Constantin]

1 minute ago, BattleToads said:

Fortunately, I didn't pay that much for it. Have any suggestions for a cheap (good) replacement? 

For what CPU and budget?

[Jurrunio]

I looked up the BIOS, the B450 HDV at least has 2 fan headers with speed control. The 3 pin one could be full speed, I have one on my Z77 Extreme4 as well.

 

Cheap boards like this just expects users to have some fan splitters on hand, you wont be using more than 24W worth of fans and pumps.

[Guiltyxz]

1 minute ago, Constantin said:

For what CPU and budget?

Well OPs motherboard has a B450 chipset so Ryzen I assume

[SPARTAN VI]

This problem can be solved with a $10-15 fan HUB and it's a problem that can be prevented in the future with a little more due dilligence on your end.

 

I'm unsure what you mean that the website/manual doesn't mention this: I see it right in the manual, in the image gallery, and on the spec sheet that there are 2x 4-pin and 1x 3-pin.

 

On a related note, never had a problem with any of my ASRock boards. I've run a Z77 Extreme 4 for about 6 years, a Z170 Fatal1ty-ITX/AC for 4 years, and now I'm on a B450 Fatal1ty-ITX/AC board (about 6 months). 

[For Science!]

Is there no DC voltage control on this board? just  because it is a 3-pin fan header does not mean it cannot control the speed of a 3-pin (and to some extent, although not recommended, a 4-pin) fan.

[aisle9]

39 minutes ago, BattleToads said:

This is extremely frustrating. I just built a new machine with an Asrock B450M-HDV motherboard. I upgraded from an Asrock H77M that had the same issue, and worse.

 

On the old rig, the maximum target CPU temperature was 65 degrees, no matter what. This meant that your CPU fan would spin at 100% (loud AF) trying to keep the CPU at 65 when there is nothing wrong with it running hotter than that. (and quieter) In addition, only one of the chassis fans was able to have its RPMs controlled. The other one spun at 100% regardless.

 

Here we are, eight years later, and Asrock still hasn't figured out that people have more than one case fan? The 'CPU fan' and 'chassis fan 1' are 4 pin connectors, meaning they can be controlled. The 'chassis fan 2' is a lowly 3-pin connector, so it stays on at 100%, regardless.

 

Does Asrock really expect people who build their own machine to only use one case fan?! This is absolutely ridiculous to me. How much more could it possibly cost them to put on a 4-pin PWM connector as opposed to a 3-pin? Yes, I am aware that this is somewhat of an entry-level motherboard, but the manual or website make absolutely no mention of this, whatsoever. In addition, the manual advertises that the board has the "Fantastic" option available in the BIOS. It does not. The board was Ryzen 3000 ready out of the box, so I don't know how many more BIOS updates are available, and even if they are, I don't see how that will bypass the 3-pin limitation.

 

Is there anything I can do before I sell this motherboard and write Asrock a nasty email for false advertising? I don't think I'll be buying any more Asrock products. 

The B450M-HDV is a low end board, along the lines of Gigabyte's DS3H or the ASUS Prime board (*not* Prime-Plus or Prime-Pro, those are much better). Of course it's going to have lower-end features. Either put a noise reduction cable on the DC header or get a hub...or spend more than $80 on a motherboard if you know you need features that will cost more than $80.

 

24 minutes ago, Constantin said:

Asrock is crap and espcially a 80$ board.

Dude, go away. Come back when you've read something other than r/MSI. Every manufacturer has total shit and every manufacturer has star performers. You want to talk about crap? Let's talk about first-gen MSI Ryzen motherboards and their inability to even POST with RAM not specifically on their QVL (and some that was) for the first year of their existence, let alone get an overclock beyond 2133MHz, even on boards costing well north of $100.

[Constantin]

Just now, aisle9 said:

The B450M-HDV is a low end board, along the lines of Gigabyte's DS3H or the ASUS Prime board (*not* Prime-Plus or Prime-Pro, those are much better). Of course it's going to have lower-end features. Either put a noise reduction cable on the DC header or get a hub...or spend more than $80 on a motherboard if you know you need features that will cost more than $80.

 

Dude, go away. Come back when you've read something other than r/MSI. Every manufacturer has total shit and every manufacturer has star performers. You want to talk about crap? Let's talk about first-get MSI Ryzen motherboards and their inability to POST with most RAM for the first year of their existence, let alone get an overclock beyond 2133MHz.

I don't really like MSI, i was on a budget and forced bought it.

Asus is my favorite.....

[aisle9]

1 minute ago, Constantin said:

I don't really like MSI, i was on a budget and forced bought it.

Asus is my favorite.....

Ok, come back when you've read something other than r/ASUS. If you don't like AsRock or think they're garbage, fine. Back it up. "AsRock is crap," is about as useful as posting a dick pic of Brett Favre in this thread.

[Tristerin]

Buys cheapest ASRock B450 board, complains about lack of features.

 

I just don't get it lol.

 

You get what you pay for.  And these settings are available - sounds like an OE (operator error) as the BIOS is just fine for fan controlling.  

 

 

[Jurrunio]

1 hour ago, Tristerin said:

Buys cheapest ASRock B450 board, complains about lack of features.

R4.0 is the worst, somehow makes the HDV look good

[BattleToads]

6 hours ago, Tristerin said:

Buys cheapest ASRock B450 board, complains about lack of features.

 

I just don't get it lol.

 

You get what you pay for.  And these settings are available - sounds like an OE (operator error) as the BIOS is just fine for fan controlling.  

 

Operator's error? https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/why-is-my-b450m-hdv-r4-0-chassis-fan-speed-100.3549223/

[BattleToads]

6 hours ago, Tristerin said:

Buys cheapest ASRock B450 board, complains about lack of features.

 

I just don't get it lol.

 

You get what you pay for.  And these settings are available - sounds like an OE (operator error) as the BIOS is just fine for fan controlling.  

 

 

It's 2020 and you consider fan control to be an advanced feature? Clearly, you guys are willing to eat a lot more fecal deposits from manufacturers than I am. 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, BattleToads said:

It's 2020 and you consider fan control to be an advanced feature? Clearly, you guys are willing to eat a lot more fecal deposits from manufacturers than I am. 

hahaaahahahaaaaaaa!!!

 

You're lucky the board even posted up. Be thankful for just that lol.

[BattleToads]

1 minute ago, ShrimpBrime said:

hahaaahahahaaaaaaa!!!

 

You're lucky the board even posted up. Be thankful for just that lol.

I rest my case. Asus thanks you for your purchase. 

[Zando_]

2 minutes ago, BattleToads said:

I rest my case. Asus thanks you for your purchase. 

Eh my ASRock X370 ITX/ac and the 5 B450 ITX/ac boards I've had were fine, the Taichi is well regarded too. Probs that model board that was oofies, all OEMs seem to have great boards and then shit ones. 

What ASUS board did you snag? I had a B450-F and then a CH7 back when I ran a 2700X, both were . Their UEFI is one of the best too. 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, BattleToads said:

I rest my case. Asus thanks you for your purchase. 

Well I purchased both second hand. So, Asus didn't get shit from me directly......

 

So please re-instate your case.

 

 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Eh my ASRock X370 ITX/ac and the 5 B450 ITX/ac boards I've had were fine, the Taichi is well regarded too. Probs that model board that was oofies, all OEMs seem to have great boards and then shit ones. 

What ASUS board did you snag? I had a B450-F and then a CH7 back when I ran a 2700X, both were . Their UEFI is one of the best too. 

I have a B450M-A. It's a POS. Can't clock memory with it. Bios layout and features super basic and slim. Very low end. Perfect for the wifey and a Ryzen Athlon 220ge. Fans hardly spin. For a basic straight forward setup, it's actually great for the money. 125 bucks roughly. Even comes with Vega graphics. This rig pulls less than 60w loaded up lol. I run it off 550w PSU...... lol. 

[BattleToads]

7 hours ago, SPARTAN VI said:

This problem can be solved with a $10-15 fan HUB 

I am leaning towards this option. I am using a micro-ATX motherboard in a mid-size ATX case. The cables wouldn't reach to the front of the case. Are there PWM extension cables, and if so, would these affect the performance of the fans if they are connected to the HUB? 

[alyen]

I love my ASRock B450 Pro4 even though I have had some minor troubles with the RGB. The B450M Pro4 micro version is $10 CAD more than the B450M-HDV, but has lot of features the B450M-HDV missed.

 

[SPARTAN VI]

5 minutes ago, BattleToads said:

I am leaning towards this option. I am using a micro-ATX motherboard in a mid-size ATX case. The cables wouldn't reach to the front of the case. Are there PWM extension cables, and if so, would these affect the performance of the fans if they are connected to the HUB? 

Yes, they exist: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0055OLY88/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

I have two of the above extensions. Haven't used them in conjunction with a HUB before, but I'd expect full functionality. 

[BattleToads]

1 minute ago, alyen said:

I love my ASRock B450 Pro4 even though I have had some minor troubles with the RGB. The B450M Pro4 micro version is $10 CAD more than the B450M-HDV, but has lot of features the B450M-HDV missed.

 

I knew I should have bought that one. I thought the HDV offered a "cleaner" look with its two RAM slots, and of course was cheaper. Thing is, this board is great so far except for this issue.