Upgrade Feedback - AMD, Intel, or just GPU

[TheWhiteRose000]

Alright,

 

So here's my question of the hour a lot of my friends have been hounding me about getting "more cores" for my system and It's been a few years.

I've been living overseas and haven't had much in the way of upgrading I managed to snag a Devils Canyon for cheap off of ebay and subsequently the same with my motherboard.

 

But with tax returns on the horizon in the U.S. I'm wondering if I should just do a full modern system upgrade but I want it to be more effective for editing YouTube videos and making content.

So my question is basically should I keep my current system or just build a new rig but keep my core components.

 

Current system

CPU: Intel 4790K (Soon to be OC'd to 4.8ghz)

Motherboard: Gigabyte Z87 OC

RAM: 2400mhz 32gb Team Group

Boot Drive: Gigabyte 500gb SSD SATA III

GPU: Gigabyte RX570 8GB (Runs at 8X) (Runs at 8X)

Game Drive: Intel 660P

Expansion Card 1: PCIe MVNE Adaptor

Expansion Card 2: PCIe Elgato 4K Capture card

 

The current plan is just to purchase a 2080ti or similar and minimize performance loss by OC'ing the CPU to 4.8ghz to minimize the bottleneck.

Bandwidth wise I'd be losing 3% of its total speed if my math is right because it's acting as a PCIe 2.0 slot in essence.

 

My friends suggested that I just build a new system with newer RAM, CPU, and Motherboard in which I forego the 2080ti for a new CPU instead which leaves me with two opitions.

 

AMD System

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3950

RAM: 3600mhz Corsair Vengeance 32gb RGB kit

Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 Aorus

 

Intel System

CPU: Intel Series 9900K Coffee Lake

RAM: 3600mhz Corsair Vengeance 32gb RGB kit

Motherboard: Gigabyte Z390

 

 

The biggest issues I face is normally related to recording quality I want to upgrade my quality of footage but not lose system performance.

Software wise the biggest things I use are generally OBS and Wondershare filmora and I record at 1080p but I want to have expandibility for streaming down the line.

I like the appeal of the 2080ti as their NvENC can free up my CPU usage for gaming to balance out more of what I'd generally use in terms of performance.

 

My budget with my tax return would be around $1000 US since I make just trash in terms of a paycheck.

What's everyones thought's, feedback, concerns, ect any information would help.

 

Should I go a more core CPU? stick with my plan with the 2080ti and upgrade my system down the road?

I really need to make my purchase count as in my case this system will have to last me for several years.

 

 

[19_blackie_73]

A 2070s and a 3700x sounds much more reasonable and enjoyable to me, much more balanced.

[LaughingHyena]

It is going to be difficult to find a 2080 Ti for under $1000. I have tried. Your GPU is not horrible, and has 8gb of VRAM, so that is not too bad, even if it is a little older. That CPU, though, is SUPER old. Like at least 6 generations of Intel CPUs old. I would recommend a 3900X, X570 MB, and new ram. That would be the best upgrade I can see. Unless you have a major reason to get the 3950X instead, you might as well save a couple hundred dollars and get the 3900X.

[TheWhiteRose000]

1 minute ago, LaughingHyena said:

It is going to be difficult to find a 2080 Ti for under $1000. I have tried. Your GPU is not horrible, and has 8gb of VRAM, so that is not too bad, even if it is a little older. That CPU, though, is SUPER old. Like at least 6 generations of Intel CPUs old. I would recommend a 3900X, X570 MB, and new ram. That would be the best upgrade I can see. Unless you have a major reason to get the 3950X instead, you might as well save a couple hundred dollars and get the 3900X.

They've actually taken a drop on Ebay with the rumored specs of 3080's floating around, the one's I've been watching have gone for about $800-$1000; I personally want the Auros one.

[Jurrunio]

Editing work is dominantly CPU heavy, so that should go first. That said with your budget you could totally just go mid range on both sides instead of dumping the whole budget on bad value flagships.

[LaughingHyena]

2 minutes ago, TheWhiteRose000 said:

They've actually taken a drop on Ebay with the rumored specs of 3080's floating around, the one's I've been watching have gone for about $800-$1000; I personally want the Auros one.

Are you looking for used, or new? If you don't mind going used on all parts, you could probably get an X570, 2070 Super, and a 3700X or greater for under $1000. Your RAM will bottleneck you, though.

[TheWhiteRose000]

4 minutes ago, LaughingHyena said:

Are you looking for used, or new? If you don't mind going used on all parts, you could probably get an X570, 2070 Super, and a 3700X or greater for under $1000. Your RAM will bottleneck you, though.

Yea, even with the OC to the CPU I'd be losing about 10fps in a lot of the games I plan on playing it's not a large amount a bottleneck if my rough estimates are accurate of about 8-10%. I'm just wondering would it be a good idea to just stick it out with the GPU for now, and if something comes up down the line when I can afford a bigger system do that.

Having to support my family right now is tough, while trying to balance out what I want to be doing.

 

5 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Editing work is dominantly CPU heavy, so that should go first. That said with your budget you could totally just go mid range on both sides instead of dumping the whole budget on bad value flagships.

What would you recommend build wise?

[LaughingHyena]

Just now, TheWhiteRose000 said:

Yea, even with the OC to the CPU I'd be losing about 10fps in a lot of the games I plan on playing it's not a large amount a bottleneck if my rough estimates are accurate of about 8-10%. I'm just wondering would it be a good idea to just stick it out with the GPU for now, and if something comes up down the line when I can afford a bigger system do that.

Having to support my family right now is tough, while trying to balance out what I want to be doing.

Family should come first. My recommendation is to wait and upgrade your CPU and MB. If you get the 2080 Ti, that will bottleneck you something fierce with that CPU.

[TheWhiteRose000]

Just now, LaughingHyena said:

Family should come first. My recommendation is to wait and upgrade your CPU and MB. If you get the 2080 Ti, that will bottleneck you something fierce with that CPU.

It's why I'm hoping to optimize my system a bit more, I know if I use the cards NVenc encoder through OBS, I can free up CPU usage since the encoder works solely from the graphics card; with that I'd take less of a hit through recording on OBS then I normally would.

Biggest goal is quality encoding, editing may take a while with my 4-core but I can wait I just want to make what I post on YouTube presentable to my audience.

[LaughingHyena]

1 minute ago, TheWhiteRose000 said:

It's why I'm hoping to optimize my system a bit more, I know if I use the cards NVenc encoder through OBS, I can free up CPU usage since the encoder works solely from the graphics card; with that I'd take less of a hit through recording on OBS then I normally would.

Biggest goal is quality encoding, editing may take a while with my 4-core but I can wait I just want to make what I post on YouTube presentable to my audience.

That's fair. With the 30 series coming out this year, it might just be best to do the CPU and MB, and offload some of the encoding through the CPU, and once the 30 series releases, they will either be cheaper than the 20 series (I hope) or it will drop the prices of the 20 series even more.

[TheWhiteRose000]

1 minute ago, LaughingHyena said:

That's fair. With the 30 series coming out this year, it might just be best to do the CPU and MB, and offload some of the encoding through the CPU, and once the 30 series releases, they will either be cheaper than the 20 series (I hope) or it will drop the prices of the 20 series even more.

It's why I'm stalking ebay right now waiting for a cheaper 2080ti, hoping to get an OC'd Auros card it may not be a large margin but it would help encoding at 1770mhz.
Essentially it boils down to what do I want to encode for me the CPU or the graphics card there are potential paths for both but I'm hoping I'm going with the right decision on the 2080ti.

[LaughingHyena]

Just now, TheWhiteRose000 said:

It's why I'm stalking ebay right now waiting for a cheaper 2080ti, hoping to get an OC'd Auros card it may not be a large margin but it would help encoding at 1770mhz.
Essentially it boils down to what do I want to encode for me the CPU or the graphics card there are potential paths for both but I'm hoping I'm going with the right decision on the 2080ti.

If you OC your CPU to 4.8 Ghz, it should help make it less of a negative, but I do recommend upgrading some time in the future. I just recently bought a 2060 Super to hold me over until the 30 series has worked out it's inevitable teething issues. I don't do videos, but I do stream and it has handled it well.

[TheWhiteRose000]

1 minute ago, LaughingHyena said:

If you OC your CPU to 4.8 Ghz, it should help make it less of a negative, but I do recommend upgrading some time in the future. I just recently bought a 2060 Super to hold me over until the 30 series has worked out it's inevitable teething issues. I don't do videos, but I do stream and it has handled it well.

Ah, so you know what I'm getting at then the quality of work is what we're aiming for.
It's true, I don't want to hold out on upgrading the system for too long but with what I'm trying for I think this would be the best case scenario at least for the time being.
If I smacked a 3080ti in there the bottleneck would be HUGE in terms of loss, and even then what I'd be losing in performance just for now doesn't seem all so bad.

[LaughingHyena]

Just now, TheWhiteRose000 said:

Ah, so you know what I'm getting at then the quality of work is what we're aiming for.
It's true, I don't want to hold out on upgrading the system for too long but with what I'm trying for I think this would be the best case scenario at least for the time being.
If I smacked a 3080ti in there the bottleneck would be HUGE in terms of loss, and even then what I'd be losing in performance just for now doesn't seem all so bad.

Yeah, speculation on the 3080 Ti is 16 GB of VRam, which is kind of sickening in a good way, like when you eat way too much good food, and you get a stomach ache but it was totally worth it. I am hoping to upgrade my 3700X to a 3900X later this year, and get a 30 series probably next year once EVGA starts manufacturing 30 series.

[LaughingHyena]

With that OC, you should be able to throw a 2080 Ti in there without too much issue, but there is always the face that your CPU is super old, so even then will have some performance reduction over a newer-gen CPU. Also, that DDR-3 ram will only hurt you.

[TheWhiteRose000]

Just now, LaughingHyena said:

Yeah, speculation on the 3080 Ti is 16 GB of VRam, which is kind of sickening in a good way, like when you eat way too much good food, and you get a stomach ache but it was totally worth it. I am hoping to upgrade my 3700X to a 3900X later this year, and get a 30 series probably next year once EVGA starts manufacturing 30 series.

I'm still in debate about my upgrade path, should I go Ryzen or should I go Intel so far Ryzen is looking more promising as with PCIe 4.0, I won't lose any of the cards functionality if I added a second Elgato 4K Capture to my system.

[LaughingHyena]

Just now, TheWhiteRose000 said:

I'm still in debate about my upgrade path, should I go Ryzen or should I go Intel so far Ryzen is looking more promising as with PCIe 4.0, I won't lose any of the cards functionality if I added a second Elgato 4K Capture to my system.

Honestly, AMD has been rocking it for CPUs recently. Intel has just been more of the same, with little improvement. If you would rather upgrade sooner, you can do 3200 MHtz RAM, an X570 MB, and a 3700x. That would give you an upgrade path to the 3900X and even the 3950X, if that is what you want. 3600 ram is good, but not much of an improvement over 3200.

[LaughingHyena]

I have gotten really good performance with my 3700X and 2060 Super, I can barely even imagine a 2080 Ti and 3950X, which would probably rival anything Intel has, or will release within the next couple years.

[TheWhiteRose000]

4 minutes ago, LaughingHyena said:

Honestly, AMD has been rocking it for CPUs recently. Intel has just been more of the same, with little improvement. If you would rather upgrade sooner, you can do 3200 MHtz RAM, an X570 MB, and a 3700x. That would give you an upgrade path to the 3900X and even the 3950X, if that is what you want. 3600 ram is good, but not much of an improvement over 3200.

My biggest fault would be bandwidth I think, overcoming the limitations I want to do since I'm trying for a YouTube entertainer like Markiplier sort of deal.
I'm running my DSLR through the Elgato capture card and if I even handled a console game (can get consoles for cheap at Pawnshops aww yiss.)
I'd need to handle bandwidth for both my camera, and the console while using the GPU to encode what its capturing.

[LaughingHyena]

3 minutes ago, TheWhiteRose000 said:

My biggest fault would be bandwidth I think, overcoming the limitations I want to do since I'm trying for a YouTube entertainer like Markiplier sort of deal.
I'm running my DSLR through the Elgato capture card and if I even handled a console game (can get consoles for cheap at Pawnshops aww yiss.)
I'd need to handle bandwidth for both my camera, and the console while using the GPU to render what its capturing.

Not too sure on the bandwidth, but I have a webcam, mic, and 3 monitors all in 1080p running through my PC and since I upgraded from a 1660 Ti, and a 1500X, I have had no issue with anything causing slow down.

[TheWhiteRose000]

1 minute ago, LaughingHyena said:

Not too sure on the bandwidth, but I have a webcam, mic, and 3 monitors all in 1080p running through my PC and since I upgraded from a 1660 Ti, and a 1500X, I have had no issue with anything causing slow down.

Basically It would have to handle at max 2 inputs at a 4k resolution and the GPU would have to process all of it simultaneously for encoding.

[LaughingHyena]

Just now, TheWhiteRose000 said:

Basically It would have to handle at max 2 inputs at a 4k resolution and the GPU would have to process all of it simultaneously for encoding.

Ah. Yeah, for that you would need a 2070 Super or better, most likely.

[Jurrunio]

44 minutes ago, TheWhiteRose000 said:

What would you recommend build wise?

2060 Super - cheapest 8GB card Nvidia still produces

3700X - won't break the bank

X570 board - Asus has the best lineup on the cheap (P and TUF), Gigabyte is not as good but still decent overall, Asrock is only good if you want WiFi 6 (802.11 ax) built-in on the cheaper side of things, MSI is trash until you get to the X570 Tomahawk or and Unify.

[TheWhiteRose000]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

2060 Super - cheapest 8GB card Nvidia still produces

3700X - won't break the bank

X570 board - Asus has the best lineup on the cheap (P and TUF), Gigabyte is not as good but still decent overall, Asrock is only good if you want WiFi 6 (802.11 ax) built-in on the cheaper side of things, MSI is trash until you get to the X570 Tomahawk or and Unify.

RAM wise?

[Jurrunio]

Just now, TheWhiteRose000 said:

RAM wise?

You can still get a pair of 16GB sticks in a kit. 3600MHz CL16 or 17 would be the best without going bad value, 3600 CL18 and 19 are not as impressive, budget option will be 3200MHz CL16 and 3000MHz CL15 or CL16