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For $400 RTX 2070 OR RTX 2060 Super?

Looking to upgrade from a Asus GTX 970. Can't decide on a Gigabyte RTX 2070

 

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-2070-gv-n2070wf2-8gd-rev-3-0/p/N82E16814932226

 

or a Zotac 2060 Super. 

 

https://www.newegg.com/zotac-geforce-rtx-2060-super-zt-t20610e-10m/p/N82E16814500471

 

No plans on overclocking or custom cooling. Just using it stock, out of the box. Usage will be purely for gaming.

 

It's going into a system with 

Ryzen 7 3700

Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB DDR4 CAS 16

Asrock X570 Taichi

HP EX950 M.2 512GB

Windows 10

Cooler Master HAF XB Evo

Seasonic Prime Ultra 650 Platinum

Asus VG248QG

 

You're thoughts?

 

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2 minutes ago, Op Point Baker said:

 

Hello,

 

If you want to consider AMD for GPU too you have this https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-radeon-rx-5700-xt-gv-r57xtgaming-oc-8gd/p/N82E16814932208?Description=5700 xt&cm_re=5700_xt-_-14-932-208-_-Product same price and perform better :) 

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Video Card : Sapphire Vapor-X R9 290
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The RTX 2070, have more RT OPS and better performance.

I don’t recommend buying AMD Graphic card because not all games take advantage of it

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6 minutes ago, PRONOOB895 said:

The RTX 2070, have more RT OPS and better performance.

I don’t recommend buying AMD Graphic card because not all games take advantage of it

What does that mean?  Not all games take advantage of an AMD video card?  

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2070 is generally little better than the 2060s. Thats the way Nvidia did it to prevent lower tier card performs better than higher tier one

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Neither...I'd get the best gtx series used from fleabay...look for a factory overclocked model...saw a 1080 Ti FTW3 last week for $440 delivered.

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15 minutes ago, PRONOOB895 said:

The RTX 2070, have more RT OPS and better performance.

I don’t recommend buying AMD Graphic card because not all games take advantage of it

Same can be said for Nvidia.  There are reasons to use Nvidia over AMD but it’s not really gaming as far as I can tell.

Life is like a bowl of chocolates: there are all these little crinkly paper cups everywhere.

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24 minutes ago, Plouffe said:

Hello,

 

If you want to consider AMD for GPU too you have this https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-radeon-rx-5700-xt-gv-r57xtgaming-oc-8gd/p/N82E16814932208?Description=5700 xt&cm_re=5700_xt-_-14-932-208-_-Product same price and perform better :) 

not really don't just be an AMD fanboy (no offense) because the drivers are shit, the performance are meh, bad encoder if u wanna record/stream, no rtx functionality, and gigabyte has meh warranty.

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5 minutes ago, redbread123 said:

not really don't just be an AMD fanboy (no offense) because the drivers are shit, the performance are meh, bad encoder if u wanna record/stream, no rtx functionality, and gigabyte has meh warranty.

Rtx huh?  Dueling fanboys?  I’m not sure I want to watch.

Life is like a bowl of chocolates: there are all these little crinkly paper cups everywhere.

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33 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

what?

The unreal engine games have the trend for working better in Nvidia. That’s why if he going to play that games is better Nvidia cards

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18 minutes ago, redbread123 said:

not really don't just be an AMD fanboy (no offense) because the drivers are shit, the performance are meh, bad encoder if u wanna record/stream, no rtx functionality, and gigabyte has meh warranty.

 

Yeah I'm an AMD fanboy with an Intel CPU.

 

RTX on this generation is still new that it's not even worth it especially for gaming.

 

GIgabyte has a 4 years warranty, the same as most big brands for this kind of hardware.

 

He will use a 3700x so he doesn't really need the GPU encoder to do that properly.

 

In general the 5700XT performs better than the 2070 and 2060S so yes for the exact same price, AMD makes sense.
 

 

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Memory : Corsair Vengeance RGB 4x8GB 3466CL16 | Storage : Samsung 850 EVO 500GB 2.5" SSD + Sabrent Rocket 1TB NVMe SSD

Video Card : Sapphire Nitro+ RX VEGA 64 | Case : Phanteks Eclipse P600S | PSU : Corsair HX850 Platinum
Case Fans : Noctua A14 PWM chromax (x1 rear exhaust, x3 front intake)  
Aesthetic : Corsair Sleeved PSU Cables Pro Kit

 

Retro HEDT :

CPU : Intel Core i7-5820K CPU Cooler : Noctua NH-U12S Motherboard : EVGA Micro 2
Memory : Corsair Vengeance LPX 2x8GB 3200CL16
Storage : Crucial MX500 500GB 2.5" SSD 
Video Card : Sapphire Vapor-X R9 290
| Case : Modded Antec Three Hundred | PSU : be quiet! Straight Power 11 650W 
Case Fans : Noctua P12 redux-1700 PWM (x2 front intake, x1 rear exhaust)

 

Wife's computer :
CPU : AMD Ryzen 5 3600 CPU Cooler : Noctua NH-U12S Motherboard : Gigabyte X570 Aorus Pro
Memory : Crucial Ballistix 2x8GB 3600CL16 
Storage : Samsung 850 EVO 250GB 2.5" SSD + WD Blue 1TB HDD
Video Card : Sapphire Nitro+ RX 580 
| Case : Fractal Design Meshify S2 | PSU : Corsair RM550x 

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48 minutes ago, PRONOOB895 said:

The unreal engine games have the trend for working better in Nvidia. That’s why if he going to play that games is better Nvidia cards

Well, I do play a lot of Satisfactory... 

I hadn't heard of appreciable differences between AMD & nVidia when it came to UE. Is there good evidence of that?

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1 hour ago, redbread123 said:

not really don't just be an AMD fanboy (no offense) because the drivers are shit, the performance are meh, bad encoder if u wanna record/stream, no rtx functionality, and gigabyte has meh warranty.

1. Drivers are not shit, there have been stress tests with the all of the newest graphic cards from nvidia and amd (only gaming graphics cards) and AMD drivers failed 20 times less than NVidia (4h stress test, 6 times a day, 7 days long - multiple gpus for a total of about 500 tests)

 

2. Performance is meh? My Vega 64 is better than a 1080 (head to head with 1080 Ti) and a bit better than the 2070 my friend has

3. Bad encoder? Didn't test that but recording works better for me than with nVidia (i dont record much though)

4. No RTX? Tell me which games you play that actually have raytracing and where you would notice a difference?

5. Gigabyte warranty doesn't have anything to do with AMD quality wtf

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re: AMD vs nvidia argument


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I'm gonna be completely objective here:

 

AMD Pros:

  • You are going for a x570 chipset, it has PCIE 4.0. RX 5700 and 5700xt versions work slightly (super slightly) better than 3.0. Supposedly over time they should work even better
  • You get a better product for the price

AMD Cons:

  • At the current date, a lot of people have driver issues with their cards. A lot have not. Depends on your luck

NVIDIA Pros:

  • Stuff works out of the box 

NVIDIA Cons:

  • The reality is that RTX games can be counted with the fingers of your hands. Properly optimized ones are even less. RTX is not a standard today, and it won't be for the next year at least. So the promised technology is just meh.
  • They are quite more expensive

You should balance this before choosing. Besides that, in the Gigabyte vs Zotac game, go Gigabyte. Windforce cards work really nice as said above

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1 hour ago, Weinrib said:

I'm gonna be completely objective here:

 

AMD Pros:

  • You are going for a x570 chipset, it has PCIE 4.0. RX 5700 and 5700xt versions work slightly (super slightly) better than 3.0. Supposedly over time they should work even better
  • You get a better product for the price

AMD Cons:

  • At the current date, a lot of people have driver issues with their cards. A lot have not. Depends on your luck

NVIDIA Pros:

  • Stuff works out of the box 

NVIDIA Cons:

  • The reality is that RTX games can be counted with the fingers of your hands. Properly optimized ones are even less. RTX is not a standard today, and it won't be for the next year at least. So the promised technology is just meh.
  • They are quite more expensive

You should balance this before choosing. Besides that, in the Gigabyte vs Zotac game, go Gigabyte. Windforce cards work really nice as said above

I would add that there are a couple uses Nvidia card have over AMD, but they are very specific and have nothing to do with gaming.  If you need 12 bit color for art stuff, or if you want to stream games, Nvidia has use over and above their raw FLOP count bs AMD.  I personally would say that I suspect the current value of RTX to remain near zero in the future as well.  RtX was always more of a “look this can exist” thing than something that was actually useful.  It’s only a suspicion though.  Can’t be counted on.

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4 hours ago, boggy77 said:

what?

He got it flip flopped and meant RTX Ray tracing ?

Before you reply to my post, REFRESH. 99.99% chance I edited my post. 

 

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2 hours ago, Weinrib said:

I'm gonna be completely objective here:

 

AMD Pros:

  • You are going for a x570 chipset, it has PCIE 4.0. RX 5700 and 5700xt versions work slightly (super slightly) better than 3.0. Supposedly over time they should work even better
  • You get a better product for the price

AMD Cons:

  • At the current date, a lot of people have driver issues with their cards. A lot have not. Depends on your luck

NVIDIA Pros:

  • Stuff works out of the box 

NVIDIA Cons:

  • The reality is that RTX games can be counted with the fingers of your hands. Properly optimized ones are even less. RTX is not a standard today, and it won't be for the next year at least. So the promised technology is just meh.
  • They are quite more expensive

You should balance this before choosing. Besides that, in the Gigabyte vs Zotac game, go Gigabyte. Windforce cards work really nice as said above

Left out NVENC. Otherwise I agree

Before you reply to my post, REFRESH. 99.99% chance I edited my post. 

 

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Wife's System: i7-8700 // Arctic Freezer 33 // Gigabyte Z390M Gaming // 32GB (4x8) Corsair Vengeance LED DDR4 3200 // XFX Radeon 5700 XT RAW II // NZXT S340 // Seasonic Focus Plus Gold 850w // 1TB ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro/1TB Samsung 860 EVO/4TB Western Digital HDD // Displays: AOC AGON AG241QX/ASUS VG248QEASUS VP248Q // Corsair K68 Mechanical Keyboard // Logitech G602 // LG BDRW // NexStar 5.25" USB 3 Enclosure

 

TV Gamer: i7-8700k 5.0ghz All-core delidded @1.375v // Deepcool Gamerstorm Assassin III // Gigabyte Aorus Z370 Gaming 5 // 32GB (4x8) Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200 // Sapphire Radeon RX Vega 64 // Corsair 275R Airflow // Intel 660P 1TB NVME M.2 SSD/4TB Western Digital Blue // Display: 50" Westinghouse 1080p // Rii Wireless Mini Keyboard w/Touchpad/Xbox One Controllers

 

TV Gamer 2: Intel i3-10100 // ASRock H410M-HDV/M.2 // 16GB (2x8) DDR4 T-Force Vulcan 2666 // XFX RX 580 8GB XXX Edition // Rosewill FBM-X2 // Gigabyte P750GM // 480GB PNY CS1311 SSD/2TB Seagate HDD // Display: LG 50" 4k TV // Rii Wireless Mini Keyboard w/Touchpad/Xbox One Controllers Donated.

 

Son's System: i5-9400 // Cryorig H7 Quad Lumi // ASRock Z370 Extreme 4 // 16GB (2x8) GeIL Potenza DDR 3200 //ASUS RX 570 4GB // NZXT S340 Black // Seasonic S12II 620w Bronze // 525GB Crucial MX300/1TB WD SN550 // Display: ACER Nitro VG240Y/ PBiip / Dell P2417H // Eagletech KG010 Mechanical Keyboard // Logitech G203

 

Daughter's System: i3-8350k // Cooler Master i71c // MSI H310M Pro VDH-Plus // 8GB (2x4) Leven DDR4 2666 (2400) // Zotac GTX 1060 3GB Mini // DarkFlash Micro ATX White // Corsair CX550 // 480GB PNY CS1311 SSD/2TB Seagate HDD // Display: ASUS VG245H // Redragon TKL Mechanic Keyboard + Mouser

 

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