Motherboard VRM Tier List v2 (currently AMD only)

[Haro]

1 hour ago, BlazerBuddy said:

B450 Gaming Pro Carbo better then the Tomahawk Max by any means??

Not really no, only difference in terms of vrm is there's more inductors on the gaming pro carbon afaik and a slightly better heatsink but that's it. 

[ArthurTavares]

Any updates on VRM list for A520 motherboards ? I know they are more for Ryzen 3 and 5s but I would be curious about if the VRM are good for Ryzen 9

[Mateyyy]

3 minutes ago, ArthurTavares said:

Any updates on VRM list for A520 motherboards ? I know they are more for Ryzen 3 and 5s but I would be curious about if the VRM are good for Ryzen 9

Something like an A520 Aorus Elite should handle a 3950X at stock speeds without throttling, but it's far from an ideal pairing as those boards really are not meant for high-end chips. I haven't looked into any other "nicer" A520 boards though.

If you're in the market for a Ryzen 9, then I personally think that you should be able to afford a proper B550/X570 motherboard.

[BlazerBuddy]

21 hours ago, TofuHaroto said:

Not really no, only difference in terms of vrm is there's more inductors on the gaming pro carbon afaik and a slightly better heatsink but that's it. 

Okay just checking I got a open box at micro center for 127$ instead of 160$ So I decided to trap it. It was 2 dollars more then the Tomahawk Max I was going to originally get. Tomahawk Max was 125$ Carbon AC was 127$.

[Mateyyy]

7 hours ago, BlazerBuddy said:

Okay just checking I got a open box at micro center for 127$ instead of 160$ So I decided to trap it. It was 2 dollars more then the Tomahawk Max I was going to originally get. Tomahawk Max was 125$ Carbon AC was 127$.

Well the Tomahawk's already quite overpriced for a B450 board, that's why I and others on the forum don't really recommend it as much nowadays.

[Haro]

And this video just came out.. 

testing most b550 boards that are out right now..

and summery for the vrm for every board..

B550 A pro:  IR 35201 with 5 4C029N and 5 4C024N doubled with a bunch of IR 3598's.

B550 Gaming plus:  IR 35201 with 5 4C029N and 5 4C024N doubled with the a bunch of IR 3598's.

B550 Mortar:  RAA229004 with 8 ISL 99360's in pairs, so 2 mosfets per phase.

B550 Gaming X:  RAA229004 and 5 4C010N and 5 4C06 doubled with ISL 6617's. 

B550 Aorus pro:   RAA229004 and 6 SIC651C's doubled with ISL  6617's.

TUF gaming b550m plus:  ASP1106G with 8 SIC639's in pairs, so 2 mosfets per phase.

B550 Pro4 :  uP505p and 3 SM4337 and 3 SM4336 doubled with a bunch of uP1961's.

B550m Steel legend: uP5050p and 4 SIC654 doubled with uP1911R's. 

B550 strix-F: ASP1106J and 12 sic639's with 3 mosfets per phase.

B550 strix-E: ASP2006 and 14 MP869902 with 2 mosfets per phase.

B550 vision D : same as the Aorus pro with an RAA229004 and 6 sic651's and 6 ISL6617's.

B550 aorus master: XDPE132G5C and 14 TDA21472's.

B550 Tomahawk mag: RAA229004 and 10 ISL99360's with 2 mosfets per phase. 

B550 Gaming edge WiFi:  Same as the tomahawk mag.

B550 Gaming pro carbon: IR35201 and 6 TDA21462's with 6 IR3599's.

B550 Extreme 4: same as the B550 (ATX) steel legend: RAA229004 and 6 sic654's and 6 ISL6617's.

B550 Taichi: RAA229004 and 7 sic654's and 7 ISL6617'S.

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@Jurrunio Maybe you can rank the boards that are under speculation now.

[BlazerBuddy]

8 hours ago, Mateyyy said:

Well the Tomahawk's already quite overpriced for a B450 board, that's why I and others on the forum don't really recommend it as much nowadays.

Ahh I see then is the Gaming Pro Carbon really overpriced for a B450 as it’s base price is like 160$

[Jurrunio]

47 minutes ago, BlazerBuddy said:

Ahh I see then is the Gaming Pro Carbon really overpriced for a B450 as it’s base price is like 160$

Before the pandemic, Tomahawk costs about $110 and Carbon at $130 (Max or not is roughly the same)

 

6 hours ago, TofuHaroto said:

Maybe you can rank the boards that are under speculation now.

3900x hotter than 3950x 

[Haro]

10 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

3900x hotter than 3950x

It's not though? lol. unless im being bling right now..

i didn't mention all the boards sadly and i did forget some, but hopefully this will help.

[Jurrunio]

6 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

It's not though? lol. unless im being bling right now..

i didn't mention all the boards sadly and i did forget some, but hopefully this will help.

Oh wait I just thought the bottom chart's larger range means it's hotter

[BlazerBuddy]

6 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

It's not though? lol. unless im being bling right now..

i didn't mention all the boards sadly and i did forget some, but hopefully this will help.

It is true Linus did a video that should the 3900X running hotter then the 3950X at sock speed.

[Jurrunio]

Just now, BlazerBuddy said:

It is true Linus did a video that should the 3900X running hotter then the 3950X at sock speed.

not the CPU, we're talking about the motherboard. Unless 12 cores draws more power than 16, it shouldnt be hotter

[Haro]

10 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

wait I just thought the bottom chart's larger range means it's hotter

No, that was just featuring all the other boards lol..

[ericlong4579]

May i ask what tier is Msi B450m-A Pro Max, or is it same tier C with ATX ver.?

Youtube have one review on it with 1600 and 3950x vrm tested, please help.

 

[Mateyyy]

4 minutes ago, ericlong4579 said:

May i ask what tier is Msi B450m-A Pro Max, or is it same tier C with ATX ver.?

Youtube have one review on it with 1600 and 3950x vrm tested, please help.

It's in tier F. It's literally A320 level in terms of component quality.

The ATX B450-A Pro is totally different.

[Haro]

4 minutes ago, ericlong4579 said:

or is it same tier C with ATX ver.?

Terrible board and is totally different from the atx version. 

[ericlong4579]

thanks, no wonder so cheap

[Raohow]

Is the AsRock B550M-HDV a good choice?
I'm building in the NR200 and the cheapest B450, B550, X570 ITX boards are super expensive. I'm only going to be running a Ryzen 3 3100 though. Also, does anyone know  if any other decent mATX boards are smaller than normal (under 226mm x 244mm)?

[Haro]

15 minutes ago, Raohow said:

AsRock B550M-HDV a good choice?

It's a more or less terrible board with no heatsinks and crappy discrete mosfets, for a 3100 it'll be fine though. 

 

15 minutes ago, Raohow said:

mATX boards are smaller than normal (under 226mm x 244mm)

Well mATX is a standard but budget for a board exactly? And are you looking for an itx or an mATX board? 

Either way for an mATX board, the mortar and the tuf are pretty good. 

 

[Raohow]

I'm looking for any board that is under 226mm x 244mm so that includes ITX, DTX, and some in between boards like the B550m-HDV. So that discounts most mATX boards like the mortar or tuf. Considering I'm buying a 3100 I don't want to buy a board like the Mortar anyway because that is noticeably more expensive than the CPU itself.

[Haro]

2 minutes ago, Raohow said:

than the CPU itself.

Then if you can't get anything else, the hdv will work fine with a 3100 in all honesty. 

Though I'd also look at the b550 pro vdh, which usually goes for around 100 bucks and is a lot better. 

Though not sure if it's slightly smaller than mATX. 

[Raohow]

Thanks for the help. I have looked at the pro vdh but it's a regular size micro ATX so it won't fit

[agentlemetalwave]

On 8/26/2020 at 3:49 PM, BlazerBuddy said:

It is true Linus did a video that should the 3900X running hotter then the 3950X at sock speed.

Power = current x voltage.

The 3900X and 3950X consume the same power, but the 3950X does so at a lower voltage for two reasons, one, it is a better binned chip therefore it needs less voltage than the 3900X at the same frequency, and two, it runs at a lower all-core frequency.
If you take into account that both processors consume the same power, but the 3950X achieves that number with a lower voltage, you would know that the current must be higher to compensate, remember : Power = current x voltage
VRM temperatures are hotter when running a 3950X because the heat they produce is related only to the current, not the voltage nor the power the provide to the CPU.

I hope my explanation is clear, steve from HU actually mentions this fact in the first B550 vrm roundup if you want to chec

[Haro]

2 minutes ago, agentlemetalwave said:

hope my explanation is clear

Yea we're aware that the current draw of both chips is relatively similar, it's just something had to be cleared up for another user lol..

[agentlemetalwave]

Nevemind, i've just realized i answered to the OP, which obviously knows this. Well, maybe someone will get some value out of that