Motherboard VRM Tier List v2 (currently AMD only)

[_Meet_]

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/X570-AORUS-PRO-WIFI-rev-11-12#kf

The old rev 1.0 didn't have thunderbolt connector in pro wifi as well as in master. They were added in 1.1 rev for both master as well as pro wifi.

Also, will the ram mentioned in the pcpartpicker link work well alongside the board and the cooler?

What is the master offering other than high quality DAC and dual LAN?

[Jurrunio]

7 minutes ago, _Meet_ said:

The old rev 1.0 didn't have thunderbolt connector in pro wifi as well as in master. They were added in 1.1 rev for both master as well as pro wifi.

Good, but most retailers do not consider different revisions as different boards. In other words you cannot target rev 1.1 boards properly.

 

8 minutes ago, _Meet_ said:

What is the master offering other than high quality DAC and dual LAN?

OC features. Master has proper buttons for clear CMOS, post code display and switches for controlling the dual BIOS system. On the Pro Wifi you will clear CMOS by removing the battery or shorting pins, debug with 4 LEDs (that tells you less information on what's going wrong) and cannot control the dual BIOS system which is known to kick in after you fail to post for a couple of times when overclocking. When it does, you lose access to all BIOS profiles because they are BIOS chip dependent.

 

the VRM is also different but it's doesnt make any significant performance difference.

[_Meet_]

Ah thanks!

Will the manufacturing date of the Motherboard help regarding the rev? If there is one on the package that is

[Jurrunio]

7 minutes ago, _Meet_ said:

 

Will the manufacturing date of the Motherboard help regarding the rev? If there is one on the package that is

If you can pick a board out of a bunch of them to begin with, might as well check its revision which I believe is also printed on the box.

 

manufacturing date can help finding out the rev but you need someone from Gigabyte to know after what date does rev 1.0 production stop

[_Meet_]

Okay! Thanks once again

[xDoron22]

Hello everyone!

Sorry if this was asked before but I'm loosing it ! I just can't decide between the x570 unify and the x570 Tomahwak wifi.

By looking at the teir list, The tomahawk is colored blue, So it's the best in the S tier. (AWESOME)

But I just want to know and make sure I'm going with the right mobo.

 

So why is the tomahwak the considered the best? Or is just the best "value"?

 

Few key points:

* My Future build: Ryzen 9 5900x, 3070 RTX, NH-D15, 1TB 970 evo plus, Crucial 64GB (16x4) 3600 CL16,

Fractal 7, Seasonic FOCUS PX-850. (RED, Already bought)

* Prices at my local store: Unify - 265€, Tomahwak - 192€.

* Not gonna oc the CPU, But would like the CPU to freely oc itself to it's max whenever it needed to.

* Would love the extra m.2 on the unify for the future but it's not a deal breaker.

* I'm not switching rigs very often (Typing this from i5 4590 and 1070 from 2014-2017),

and I want my next rig to last just as long with minor upgrades to the GPU and maybe fully optimized pcie 4 nvme.

 

For 73€ diff, what am I missing from the tomahwak for my current needs and what do I get with the unify?

 

Thanks for the help! very much appreciated

 

[Jurrunio]

1 hour ago, xDoron22 said:

So why is the tomahwak the considered the best? Or is just the best "value"?

only best in power delivery (which tbh, is so overkill on both that it doesnt mean anything). Memory overclocking and features (like debug system, Tomahawk only has LEDs while Unify has a post code just like any self-respecting OC capable board) are all in favour of the Unify, which is essentially an Ace with the fancy stuff removed.

[xDoron22]

5 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

only best in power delivery (which tbh, is so overkill on both that it doesnt mean anything). Memory overclocking and features (like debug system, Tomahawk only has LEDs while Unify has a post code just like any self-respecting OC capable board) are all in favour of the Unify, which is essentially an Ace with the fancy stuff removed.

So if I take out the fancy stuff out, the oc related stuff and the looks, its basically the same board?

 

Oh, and by memory oc, Do you mean the unify will be more stable at 3600 or at higher clocks?

 

Thanks

[Jurrunio]

16 minutes ago, xDoron22 said:

So if I take out the fancy stuff out, the oc related stuff and the looks, its basically the same board?

It's not the same board but they do the same job

 

16 minutes ago, xDoron22 said:

Oh, and by memory oc, Do you mean the unify will be more stable at 3600 or at higher clocks?

Not more stable, bit that you can push further in timings or higher frequencies. Tomahawk.is newer but only rated up.to 4600MHz while.Unify is rated for 5000MHz

[xDoron22]

48 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

It's not the same board but they do the same job

 

Not more stable, bit that you can push further in timings or higher frequencies. Tomahawk.is newer but only rated up.to 4600MHz while.Unify is rated for 5000MHz

Okey.

Thanks for everything! You helped a lot

[Robb91]

Which one is better?

Gigabyte B450M S2H (rev. 1.0) vs MSI B450M Gaming Plus

 

Sorry for asking, but I'm abit confused since I see so many Gaming Plus boards on the list, want to make sure which one is better.

[Mateyyy]

1 minute ago, Robb91 said:

Which one is better?

Gigabyte B450M S2H (rev. 1.0) vs MSI B450M Gaming Plus

Sorry for asking, but I'm abit confused since I see so many Gaming Plus boards on the list, want to make sure which one is better.

The B450M Gaming Plus is better, by quite a significant amount in fact.

[Apjue]

ASRock B550M Steel Legend should be in Tier C blue, or Tier B orange: 

 

[Ruedii]

It's worth noting that no real world use other than bitcoin mining will utilize these CPUs to this level.  Only sustained amperages will overheat the VRM systems like this.  

Most gaming use will draw high amperage in short bursts of a few hundred miliseconds at worst.  At typical they draw in bursts of less than 10 milliseconds.  This means your VRM will need to be able to provide those short bursts of power, as will your power supply.    Everything Tier D and above should handle this in real world loads even with standard light to medium overclocking.   

Additionally, these are considering normal ambient cooling conditions, not "Good" ambient cooling conditions. 

Still, it's worth noting that the better motherboards also include better BIOS and Software controls, while high durability motherboards will have lower thresholds to downclock.   For instance on ASUS the TUF contain basic overclocking controls for voltages and frequencies, while the RoG ones contain highly advanced ones.  Additionally, the downscale temperatures on the TUF motherboards are lower in order to extend life.  This alone makes the gaming targeted motherboards better for overclocking. 

[mrpacothetaco]

On 11/2/2020 at 4:35 PM, Ruedii said:

It's worth noting that no real world use other than bitcoin mining will utilize these CPUs to this level.  Only sustained amperages will overheat the VRM systems like this.  

Most gaming use will draw high amperage in short bursts of a few hundred miliseconds at worst.  At typical they draw in bursts of less than 10 milliseconds.  This means your VRM will need to be able to provide those short bursts of power, as will your power supply.    Everything Tier D and above should handle this in real world loads even with standard light to medium overclocking.   

Additionally, these are considering normal ambient cooling conditions, not "Good" ambient cooling conditions. 

Still, it's worth noting that the better motherboards also include better BIOS and Software controls, while high durability motherboards will have lower thresholds to downclock.   For instance on ASUS the TUF contain basic overclocking controls for voltages and frequencies, while the RoG ones contain highly advanced ones.  Additionally, the downscale temperatures on the TUF motherboards are lower in order to extend life.  This alone makes the gaming targeted motherboards better for overclocking. 

Hi, I plan on buying a 5900x in a couple of days, and need a board.

Someone mentioned getting the Asus Prime X570-P or the MSI B550-A PRO, or Asus Tuf . 

I plan on selling my four stick of b-die, and getting two larger modules, to eliminate any issues.  I am hoping to be able to overclock the ram and all manually.  I know that this will cause several non boots, and will require me to reset the bios.   I have made a two pin wired external switch, that resets the bios, that I have used in the past.

I always put a fan on the VRM's, so I figure that thermal throttling/slowdowns wont be an issue?

Micro or ATX form will work for me.

I already have a 3700x to flash the bios.

So without breaking the bank, what's a decent board for me to get?

Would it be asinine to get a $100 b550?

 

Edit:  I ended up getting the Prime X570-P for $127 on Amazon. 

[RndUser]

Hello everyone, I'm new around here.

 

I am in need of a guide due to upcoming upgrade of my rig, I hope some of you could help me make the right decision.

 

Current build (upcoming upgrade) :

- Ryzen 5 2600 (3800XT looking for a possible price cut with the launch of Ryzen 5000),

- Coler Master Hyper 212 Black (Noctua NH-U12A),

-16Gb Ballistix 3000 Mhz,

- Asrock B450M Pro4 (if needed: MSI B550 Tomahawk | MSI B550 Gaming Edge WiFi),

- Asus Pce-ac55bt PCIe WiFi card,

- 500Gb Nvme SSD WD Black,

- 500Gb Sata M.2 WD Blue,

- 1Tb 860 EVO ssd,

- 2Tb Firecuda SSHD,

- 2070S Gaming X,

- Corsair TX650M,

- Corsair Carbide 275R.

 

Here the doubt that are currently blocking me:

1 - Do I need to upgrade my MoBo to take full advantage of the 3800XT? (As per ASRock website the MoBo is compatible with the 3800XT)

2 - As per MSI website my Storage Drives appear to be incompatible with the MSI x570 Tomahawk that was my primary choice. Are these "Compatibility Lists" actually reliable and useful? (The listed boards are the only one that appear to be actually compatible with the hardware I will be keeping)

3 - While browsing around the internet I found very little review of the B550 Gaming Edge WiFi (only video showing a good comparison is the one from Hardware Unboxed already posted in this thread), plus seems that WiFi and Bluetooth are not the best on the board. Any experience or advice on this?

4 - If I go for the B550 Tomahawk, and use my PCIe WiFi card, will this impact the bandwidth of the M.2 Gen3?

 

Please share any thoughts as I am really not sure how to proceed for the MoBo. 

 

Moving to a new post.

[X-linked]

Hey All,

 

Just pre-ordered the 5950x. 

 

Currently using an Asus x570 TUF (Wi-Fi) motherboard. 

 

Could anyone recommend the real world benefit of going to a higher tier motherboard like the Asus: X570 Crosshair VIII Hero.

 

My main use is for media creation - so a lot of adobe premiere, effects and photoshop. 

 

I've been using a 3600 as a place-holder CPU for the 5000 series and while it does an okay job, it really struggles with 4k footage. 

 

 

 

 

[Jurrunio]

36 minutes ago, X-linked said:

 

Could anyone recommend the real world benefit of going to a higher tier motherboard like the Asus: X570 Crosshair VIII Hero.

Better for memory overclocking and it offers more ports (not really bothered to check, Asus's site for them lists them out clearly) and internet adapters (faster ones, but wont be useful without router that supports the faster standard). Otherwise, not really.

[X-linked]

31 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Better for memory overclocking and it offers more ports (not really bothered to check, Asus's site for them lists them out clearly) and internet adapters (faster ones, but wont be useful without router that supports the faster standard). Otherwise, not really.

Thanks for the speedy reply.

[GamerDude]

I don't think this board has been rated since it's not released yet I think (or will be released soon sometime this month), but it should fall into Tier S level. Great VRM design of 14+2, and like the X570 Aorus Xtreme, it's passively cooled. It isn't gonna be cheap, but not priced like the MSI Godlike or Aorus Xtreme either.

https://rog.asus.com/Motherboards/ROG-Crosshair/ROG-Crosshair-VIII-Dark-Hero-Model/

[Jurrunio]

18 minutes ago, GamerDude said:

I don't think this board has been rated since it's not released yet I think (or will be released soon sometime this month), but it should fall into Tier S level. Great VRM design of 14+2, and like the X570 Aorus Xtreme, it's passively cooled. It isn't gonna be cheap, but not priced like the MSI Godlike or Aorus Xtreme either.

https://rog.asus.com/Motherboards/ROG-Crosshair/ROG-Crosshair-VIII-Dark-Hero-Model/

Hero is already up there, all it has to do is not suck.

[Haro]

4 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

all it has to do is not suck.

The dark hero is technically better, the original hero has 14 IR3555's while the dark has 14 TDA21490's (for the vcore) so 90A stages instead of 60A's. 

[Mateyyy]

28 minutes ago, GamerDude said:

I don't think this board has been rated since it's not released yet I think (or will be released soon sometime this month), but it should fall into Tier S level. Great VRM design of 14+2, and like the X570 Aorus Xtreme, it's passively cooled. It isn't gonna be cheap, but not priced like the MSI Godlike or Aorus Xtreme either.

https://rog.asus.com/Motherboards/ROG-Crosshair/ROG-Crosshair-VIII-Dark-Hero-Model/

The Dark Hero looks to be on 90A power stages according to ASUS, so it's a solid bump over the regular Hero, albeit not a needed one since the Hero was already more than good enough.

I'd say it's roughly on par with the Godlike and Aorus Xtreme - those are on 70A stages though the efficiency curves between 70s and 90s aren't all that different.

[Craxton]

So it wouldn be wise to use the msi x570 mpg gaming wifi edge with a 3700x overclocked? On ambient cooling for vrm and aio for cpu?

[Mateyyy]

1 minute ago, Craxton said:

So it wouldn be wise to use the msi x570 mpg gaming wifi edge with a 3700x overclocked? On ambient cooling for vrm and aio for cpu?

You shouldn't run into any problems with just a 3700X, but unless you already have that board, I'd definitely just get something else.