Motherboard VRM Tier List v2 (currently AMD only)

[i99541]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

Where?

Oh I checked it agian and figured out it's the ATX version of B450 Steellegend..

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

Asrock is not the only brand in the market

The problem is that I need a MATX board which have a 3 slot PCIEx16 + a x4 slot at the bottom(due to my case limit) that also could run 3900x.

The only solution left is Mortar or Pro4.But the MSI store here will only send product until late july.

[Jurrunio]

8 minutes ago, i99541 said:

Oh I checked it agian and figured out it's the ATX version of B450 Steellegend..

 

No measurement of VRM temperature, yikes. It's also just a short Cinebench run

 

 

8 minutes ago, i99541 said:

The problem is that I need a MATX board which have a 3 slot PCIEx16 + a x4 slot at the bottom(due to my case limit) that also could run 3900x.

The only solution left is Mortar or Pro4.But the MSI store here will only send product until late july.

If you cant wait for MSI then yes, Asrock B550M Steel Legend is the best choice, second the Pro4.

[WinWiz]

10 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

mATX Aorus Elite, yes. ATX Aorus Elite, I'm not certain

Yes I know 550M Aorus features a "lite" VRM.

Asus Tuf and Aorus elite cost about the same price and both boards offer the features I want. Im sure both are boards are nice, just can't decide. The Aorus includes a nvme heatspreader so that's a plus.

I'm definitely no vrm expert but it looks the elite have same vrm as the higher end auros pro, just different heatsinks. Can anyone confirm this? Educated estimates of the elites heatsink performance would be appreciated.

 

The Asus Tuf is tier A and blue text. Auros elite is estimated tier A -but is it in top or bottom of tier A?

Part of me wants the Asus because it seems like a safe gamble, but I also have great experience with Gigabyte (and the nvme ssd heatsink seems like a nice bonus).

In the end I just want the board with the strongest vrm and expected lifetime.

Regarding lifetime the Tuf features military caps. Does that mean they will likely last longer than the caps gigabyte use?

And what about pcb quality. I assume both boards are 6 layers? The Tuf apparently have 2 copper layers -this makes a real difference or is it just smart marketing?

 

And last bios updates. I don't need fast and frequent updates, but serious bug fixes and support for future am4 CPUs is important. (Currently runs a water-cooled 3700 on a cheap ASRock micro ATX b350 board, and was pleasantly surprised that ASRock spend resources releasing a bios with zen2 support)

So does Asus or gigabyte have the best history releasing bios for officially unsupported CPUs?

 

I know this is a lot of questions, but I really want the best value board for my needs...

[Jurrunio]

6 minutes ago, WinWiz said:

I'm definitely no vrm expert but it looks the elite have same vrm as the higher end auros pro, just different heatsinks. Can anyone confirm this? Educated estimates of the elites heatsink performance would be appreciated.

components are listed in the google spreadsheet link

 

7 minutes ago, WinWiz said:

The Asus Tuf is tier A and blue text. Auros elite is estimated tier A -but is it in top or bottom of tier A?

Without judging heatsinks, the Aorus Elite is also blue text material. Problem is last time Gigabyte botched the X570 Elite's heatsink and the B550 Elite carries a very similar looking one. Note the marketing term for B550 Elite and B550 Pro's heatsink are still different like they are with "X570.

 

9 minutes ago, WinWiz said:

Regarding lifetime the Tuf features military caps. Does that mean they will likely last longer than the caps gigabyte use?

They are most likely just more 5K caps like most of other boards at this price range, TUF Gaming is not TUF. However operating temperature affects lifespan a lot, if Gigabyte boards run hotter than Asus will have more durable caps

 

thing is, cap lifespan dont even matter that much if you dont literally cook them. Aluminum polymer caps like this dont fail with explosion, they just get worse at their job and past their rated hours after the certain temperature, they just fall outside of spec. The board will still work beyond that point if bad caps is the only thing that "failed"

 

12 minutes ago, WinWiz said:

And what about pcb quality. I assume both boards are 6 layers? The Tuf apparently have 2 copper layers -this makes a real difference or is it just smart marketing?

PCB layers is a thing that affects memory overclocking mostly, but not the definitive answer for that either. If you look at advertised memory frequency support, TUF wins.

 

14 minutes ago, WinWiz said:

And last bios updates. I don't need fast and frequent updates, but serious bug fixes and support for future am4 CPUs is important. (Currently runs a water-cooled 3700 on a cheap ASRock micro ATX b350 board, and was pleasantly surprised that ASRock spend resources releasing a bios with zen2 support)

So does Asus or gigabyte have the best history releasing bios for officially unsupported CPUs?

Asrock has the history of doing things outside of specs because it's small and need talking points, MSI is also aggressive in biting the Asus and Gigabyte market pie. Asus however, because it has the largest market, is the slowest of BIOS updates and extra support/function over time. gigabyte is somewhere in the middle.

 

Just a tip, for the meanwhile Asus B550 mobo and likely others work with older Ryzen APUs even tho they shouldn't.

[WinWiz]

13 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

components are listed in the google spreadsheet link

Thank you. Don't know why I didn't think about comparing the listed components.

Look like the Elite and the Pro share the same vrm components.

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Without judging heatsinks, the Aorus Elite is also blue text material. Problem is last time Gigabyte botched the X570 Elite's heatsink and the B550 Elite carries a very similar looking one. Note the marketing term for B550 Elite and B550 Pro's heatsink are still different like they are with "X570.

Price, power draw and chipset fan made me uninterested in x570 boards, so I didn't read about the different models.

But after reading a few reviews of the aorus  x570 elite you statement, that gigabyte botched the elites heatsink, seems a bit harsh. Reviews about the Aorus x570 are generally positive and buildzoid even sad the elite almost made aorus pro unattractive.

Yes the sinks on the x570 elite is a little less effective compared to the x570 pro. But the difference seems minimal.

Do you happen to know how the sinks on the b550 pro compares to the b550 Tuf?

If they are about equal I guess the elites sinks are a little less effective. But I don't know if gigabytes vrms generate more or less heat (at equal load) compared to the Tuf.

I have a huge case with high airflow, controlled by speedfan. So idle is silent but any work on cpu or GPU ramps up the airflow. My case also have a huge side mounted fan taking care of area around my cpu socket.

Will high airflow favor either the elite or the pro?

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They are most likely just more 5K caps like most of other boards at this price range, TUF Gaming is not TUF. However operating temperature affects lifespan a lot, if Gigabyte boards run hotter than Asus will have more durable caps

 

thing is, cap lifespan dont even matter that much if you dont literally cook them. Aluminum polymer caps like this dont fail with explosion, they just get worse at their job and past their rated hours after the certain temperature, they just fall outside of spec. The board will still work beyond that point if bad caps is the only thing that "failed"

 

PCB layers is a thing that affects memory overclocking mostly, but not the definitive answer for that either. If you look at advertised memory frequency support, TUF wins.

 

Asrock has the history of doing things outside of specs because it's small and need talking points, MSI is also aggressive in biting the Asus and Gigabyte market pie. Asus however, because it has the largest market, is the slowest of BIOS updates and extra support/function over time. gigabyte is somewhere in the middle.

 

Just a tip, for the meanwhile Asus B550 mobo and likely others work with older Ryzen APUs even tho they shouldn't.

I don't care about crazy high ram speeds, 1:1 ratio performs best. But if any board could overclock my somewhat crappy Corsair 3200mhz ram to something like 3400mhz that would be nice.

And who knows zen3 might make faster ram more attractive...

[Jurrunio]

2 hours ago, WinWiz said:

But after reading a few reviews of the aorus  x570 elite you statement, that gigabyte botched the elites heatsink, seems a bit harsh. Reviews about the Aorus x570 are generally positive and buildzoid even sad the elite almost made aorus pro unattractive.

TUF is cheaper but better, that's the problem the Aorus Elite faces

 

2 hours ago, WinWiz said:

Do you happen to know how the sinks on the b550 pro compares to the b550 Tuf?

no info yet, just guessing

 

2 hours ago, WinWiz said:

Will high airflow favor either the elite or the pro?

the Aorus Pro among the two

[WinWiz]

3 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

TUF is cheaper but better, that's the problem the Aorus Elite faces

 

no info yet, just guessing

 

the Aorus Pro among the two

Sorry I meant to ask if high airflow will favor either the Elite or the Tuf?

In Denmark the Tuf cost a little more than the Elite.

I guess I will have to wait until someone makes a propper thermal test of the Elite.

[Jurrunio]

2 hours ago, WinWiz said:

Sorry I meant to ask if high airflow will favor either the Elite or the Tuf?

In Denmark the Tuf cost a little more than the Elite.

I guess I will have to wait until someone makes a propper thermal test of the Elite.

It should faviour the TUF a bit more just because it's a better heatsink from the beginning

[pokkusan7]

do we have an Intel list for this?

 

[AndreiArgeanu]

On 12/24/2019 at 2:10 AM, Jurrunio said:

Tier S: 300A current draw on little ambient airflow (i.e below a big air cooler in a well-ventilated case), maxed out 3950X on liquid nitrogen (LN2) overclocking

Asus: X570 Crosshair VIII Hero

Gigabyte: X570 Aorus Xtreme, B550 Aorus Master

B550 and LN2 overclocking? How come, I thought X570 was supposed to be top of the line?

 

On 12/24/2019 at 2:10 AM, Jurrunio said:

Tier S-: 250A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 3900X on liquid nitrogen (LN2) overclocking

Asus: X570 X570-E, Pro WS Ace, B550 B550-E

Asrock: X570 Taichi, Phantom Gaming X, Creator

Gigabyte: X570 Aorus Master

MSI: X570 Creation, Ace, Unify, Tomahawk, B550 Tomahawk

And the Tomahawk in S- tier? Is B550 really that much better?

Though I'd imagine the price matches their quality and their aren't as value oriented as a b450

[Jurrunio]

2 hours ago, AndreiArgeanu said:

B550 and LN2 overclocking? How come, I thought X570 was supposed to be top of the line?

X570 is top of the line in chipset capability (which affects how much function it can offer), not necessarily VRM. Also while VRM is up to scratch, I dont think there are any that offer LN2 features like hole in the CPU socket for a thermal probe or cold boot button. You can go LN2 on anything, it just wont be as pleasant.

 

2 hours ago, AndreiArgeanu said:

And the Tomahawk in S- tier? Is B550 really that much better?

Though I'd imagine the price matches their quality and their aren't as value oriented as a b450

B550 can be this much better than B450 as AMD seems to remove any limits on board vendors or board vendors just decides not to segment B550 products from X570 ones below $300.

 

Imo they are as good value as B450, just at a much higher price and performance level that to many users are not needed.

[Assasingreed]

Does anyone know the best motherboard for the price because I am thinking of getting the asus B450 -f for the ryzen 3700x is this a good choice or do any one have a better one

[Haro]

5 minutes ago, Assasingreed said:

asus B450 -f

Over priced and does not bring anything more to the table 

 

6 minutes ago, Assasingreed said:

is this a good choice or do any one have a better one

For b450 

Tomahawk max should handle an 8 core easily 

For b550 the aorus pro 

The tomahawk mag and the mortar and the strix f are pretty good 

But b550 is more expensive than b450.

[Assasingreed]

10 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

Over priced and does not bring anything more to the table 

 

For b450 

Tomahawk max should handle an 8 core easily 

For b550 the aorus pro 

The tomahawk mag and the mortar and the strix f are pretty good 

But b550 is more expensive than b450.

okay thank you I am also thinking of the 2070 s or the 2080 s do you got any suggestion i found the "ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER Advanced edition" and the  '"Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER GAMING OC 8G (rev. 2.0)" theye are about the same price and i know this is nit the right topic but maybe it can pass.

 

[Haro]

2 minutes ago, Assasingreed said:

theye are about the same price and i know this is nit the right topic but maybe it can pass.

If they are the same price 

Then I guess go for the 2080 super 

Both models are decent.

[Assasingreed]

2 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

If they are the same price 

Then I guess go for the 2080 super 

Both models are decent.

ye the difference is about 100 euro but why is that one little expensive and the other one quit cheap for a 2080 s 

[Haro]

Just now, Assasingreed said:

but why is that one little expensive

The 2070 super ? 

Because it's a strix card 

Aka it's a branded card 

Just now, Assasingreed said:

and the other one quit cheap for a 2080 s 

Windforce afaik is gigabyte's cheaper lineup of gpus 

[Assasingreed]

12 hours ago, TofuHaroto said:

The 2070 super ? 

Because it's a strix card 

Aka it's a branded card 

Windforce afaik is gigabyte's cheaper lineup of gpus 

but it is still faster right the 2080 super even if is cheaper than other 2080 supers

[Haro]

8 minutes ago, Assasingreed said:

but it is still faster right the 2080 super even if is cheaper than other 2080 supers

Yes.

[Shady313]

Guys hello. I was thinking of using Mortar Titanium for my white build but couldn't find so much about this card. Apart from its gorgeous looks, is it any good?

I've not decided on the processor yet but it will probably be a 1600af or 3600. Thanks for any help!

[Jurrunio]

26 minutes ago, Shady313 said:

Guys hello. I was thinking of using Mortar Titanium for my white build but couldn't find so much about this card. Apart from its gorgeous looks, is it any good?

I've not decided on the processor yet but it will probably be a 1600af or 3600. Thanks for any help!

it's like the standard Mortar so good enough for a Ryzen 5

[keavlar]

On 12/24/2019 at 4:10 AM, Jurrunio said:

Credit to:@VegetableStu @GoldenLag @LukeSavenije

 

The following list is based on facts, ranked on power delivery and known problems. The list will include boards that support CPU overclocking available at retail from different brands.

 

There are still differences in performance among boards of the same tier. As a result, those that barely made it into that tier will be in orange while those that are better than others in the same tier are in blue. Unless specified, boards sharing the same name and chipset in different form factors are ranked the same.

 

For advanced users: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Smj5dh97n32wJqm5dkdDcQt8ID7vH52-lKzaaXUUQx8/edit?usp=sharing

 

AMD

 

All current draw figures are based on Prime95 small FFT with AVX unless otherwise specified, in other words the worst case scenario. Only often recommended sku of CPUs in the same generation and core/thread count configuration is named, others share the same rating. Zen scales down frequency and voltage according to EDC (current limit) and TDC (thermal limit) settings of the motherboard so in theory you won’t cook the VRM of any board at stock, you just lose frequency.

 

AM4 (Athlon, Ryzen 3, Ryzen 5, Ryzen 7, Ryzen 9)

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Tier S: 300A current draw on little ambient airflow (i.e below a big air cooler in a well-ventilated case), maxed out 3950X on liquid nitrogen (LN2) overclocking

Asus: X570 Crosshair VIII Hero

Gigabyte: X570 Aorus Xtreme, B550 Aorus Master

MSI: X570 Godlike

 

Tier S-: 250A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 3900X on liquid nitrogen (LN2) overclocking

Asus: X570 X570-E, Pro WS Ace, B550 B550-E

Asrock: X570 Taichi, Phantom Gaming X, Creator

Gigabyte: X570 Aorus Master

MSI: X570 Creation, Ace, Unify, Tomahawk, B550 Tomahawk

 

Tier A: 200A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 3950X on ambient cooling, 2700x on LN2

Asus: X570 X570-F, TUF Plus, Prime Pro, Crosshair VIII Impact, X570-I, X570-P, B550 TUF Plus (mATX & mATX WiFi), X470 Crosshair VII Hero, X370 Crosshair VI Extreme

Asrock: X570 ITX/TB3, X470 Taichi (Ultimate), X370 Taichi, Professional Gaming

Gigabyte: X570 Aorus Ultra, Pro (ATX), B550 Aorus Pro (& AC) (ATX), X470 Gaming 7

MSI: X470 M7 AC, B550 Mortar

 

Tier B: 160A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 3900X, 3950x at 1.25V on ambient cooling, maxed out 1800X on LN2

Asus: X470 X470-F, X370 Crosshair VI Hero, X370-F

Asrock: X570 Extreme4, Steel Legend, Pro4 (ATX & mATX), Phantom 4

Biostar: X570 GT8, X470 GT8, X370 GT7

Gigabyte: X570 Aorus Elite, ITX

 

Tier C 125A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 2700, 3900x at 1.25V on ambient cooling (P95)

Asus: X370 Prime Pro

Gigabyte: X570 UD, Gaming X, X370 Gaming K7, Gaming 5

MSI: X570 Gaming Pro Carbon, X470 Gaming Pro Carbon, Gaming Plus, B450 Gaming Pro Carbon, Tomahawk (& Max), Gaming Plus ATX (& Max), B450-A Pro (& Max) (ATX), Mortar (& Max), Gaming Plus mATX, Bazooka Plus, Gaming Plus ITX, X370 M7 ACK, XPower Titanium

 

Tier D 100A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 1700 and 3700X, a tad more than maxed out 2600/1600AF, maxed out 2700 in ambient cooling (Cinebench R15)

Asus: X470 Prime Pro, X470-I, B450 TUF Pro (mATX and ATX), B450-E, B450-I, X370 X370-I, B350 B350-I

Asrock: X470 Master SLI, K4, ITX, B450 Pro4 (mATX and ATX), Pro4-F, K4, M/AC, Steel Legend, ITX, B350 Pro4, K4

Gigabyte: X470 Gaming 5, Ultra Gaming, B450 Aorus Elite (mATX), Gaming

MSI: X570 X570-A Pro, Gaming Plus, Edge, X470 Gaming Pro, B450 Pro-VDH (& Max & V2), Bazooka (& V2), X370 Gaming Pro Carbon, Krait Gaming, SLI Plus, Gaming Plus, Gaming Pro, B350 Gaming Pro Carbon, Krait Gaming

 

Tier E: 75A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 1600 and 3600, a bit more than maxed out 2500X

Asus: X470 TUF Plus, B450 B450-F, TUF Plus (mATX and ATX), Prime Plus, X370 X370-A, B350 B350-F, Prime Plus, TUF Plus

Asrock: B450 HDV, X370 Gaming X, Killer SLI, mITX, K4, Pro4, B350 ITX, HDV, AB350M

Biostar: X470 GTA, GTQ, GTN, X370 GT5, GT3, B350 GT5, GT3, GTN

Gigabyte: B450 Aorus Pro (ATX), Aorus Elite (ATX), Aorus M, Gaming X, S2H, DS3H, ITX, X370 Gaming K5, K3, 3, Gaming, DS3H, B350 Gaming 3, Gaming, DASH, DS3H, AB350N Gaming-WiFi

MSI: B450 Pro-M2 (& Max), B350 Gaming Plus, Tomahawk, PC Mate, Bazooka, Mortar, Pro-VDH, Pro-VH Plus, Pro-VD Plus

 

Tier F: 50A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 1200/2200G (CPU only)/3100/3300X

Asus: B450 B450M-K, B450M-A, Dragon, B350 B350M-A, B350M-E, B350M-K

Asrock: B450 HDV R4.0, B350 HDV R3.0, HDV R4.0

Biostar: X570 GT, B350 B45M2, HiFi B350S1, ET2

Gigabyte: B350 D3H, D3V, HD3, DS2, B450 B450 H

MSI: B450 Pro-M2 V2, B450M-A Pro, B350 Gaming Pro

 

Tier H2O: Liquid cooled only VRM, quite bad if cooled only with air, tier S if liquid cooled

Asus: X570 Crosshair VIII Formula

Asrock: X570 Aqua

 

Tier W: Workstation features, can appear here and above tiers

Asus: X570 Pro WS Ace (ECC certification) 

Asrock rack: X570 D2I, D4U-2L2T, D4I-2T, X470 D4U (ECC cert + KVM switch), D4U2-2T (ECC cert + KVM switch)

 

 

TR4 (Ryzen Threadripper 1xxx and 2xxx) X399

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Tier LN2: 700A current draw under mist of liquid nitrogen and high RPM fan (ambient air? unrealistic), maxed out 2990WX under an awful lot of liquid nitrogen

Asus: Zenith Extreme Alpha

MSI: Creation

 

Tier S: 500A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out (1.35v) 2990WX on ambient cooling (P95), 2970WX on liquid nitrogen

Asus: Zenith Extreme Alpha

MSI: Creation

 

Tier A: 400A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 2990WX on ambient cooling (Cinebench R20) or 1.2V in Prime95

Someone occupy here plz

 

Tier B: 350A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 2970WX on ambient cooling (P95), 2990WX limited to 1.175v (P95)

Gigabyte: Aorus Xtreme

 

Tier C 300A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 2970WX on ambient cooling (Cinebench R20) or 1.2V in Prime95

Asus: Zenith Extreme with cooling kit

 

Tier D 250A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 2950X on ambient cooling, 2970WX limited to 1.15v (P95)

Asus: Zenith Extreme

MSI: Gaming Pro Carbon AC, SLI Plus

 

Tier E: 200A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 2920X and 1950X on ambient cooling

Asus: X399-E, X399-A

Asrock: Taichi (mATX & ATX), Professional Gaming

Gigabyte: Gaming 7, Designare EX, Aorus Pro

 

Tier F: 150A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 1920X on ambient cooling

Asrock: Phantom 6

 

Tier G: 100A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 1900X on ambient cooling

Thank god nothing is here

 

sTRX4 (Ryzen Threadripper 3xxx) TRX40

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Tier S: 3990X 1.3V maxed out clock speed, in low airflow condition (i.e. no case fan blowing over the VRM)

Asus: Zenith II Extreme Alpha

 

Tier S-: 3990X 1.15V maxed out clock speed in low airflow condition

Asus: Zenith II Extreme

MSI: Creator

Gigbayte: Aorus Xtreme

 

Tier A: 3990X 1.0V maxed out clock speed in low airflow condition

Asrock: Taichi, Creator

Gigabyte: Aorus Master

 

 

B550 Speculation: I wont be back for a while so just in case anyone wants to know, this is what I think untested B550 boards (as of now) will perform

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Tier A: Asrock Steel Legend ATX, Extreme4, Taichi, Asus B550-A, B550-F, Gigabyte Aorus Elite ATX, MSI Tomahawk, Edge WiFi, Carbon

 

Tier B: Asrock Steel Legend mATX, Pro4, Phantom Gaming ITX, Asus B550-I, Biostar GTA, GTQ, Gigabyte Vision D, Aorus Pro ITX, MSI Mortar, Gaming Plus, A-Pro, Edge ITX

 

Tier C : Asrock Phantom 4, B550M-ITX, Gigabyte Gaming X, Aorus Pro mATX, S2H, MSI Pro-VDH, Pro-DASH, Bazooka

 

Tier D : Asus Prime B550 Plus, Gigabyte DS3H, Gaming, Aorus Elite mATX

 

Tier F: Asus B550M-A, B550M-K, Gigabyte B550M H

 

 

Sources:

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Hardwareluxx.de: VRM parts table (AM4 B350/X370/B450/X470)

 

Hardware Unboxed: MSI X570 Unify; Flagship X570 VRM thermal test; Affordable X570 VRM Thermals; Budget X570 VRM Thermals; 3950X on B450 boards; TRX40 boards with overclocked 3990X

 

/u/CR1318 on reddit: Motherboard Tier List

 

Tweaktown: biostar x370gt7; biostar x370gtn gaming; biostar a320mh pro gaming

 

Buildzoid: Gigabyte's Z390 lineup; Asrock X470 Master SLI; Asrock AB350M Pro 4, AB350 Pro 4 and AB350 Gaming K4; ASUS Prime X470-Pro; Asrock X370 Taichi; MSI X470 Gaming Plus; MSI B450M Mortar Titanium; Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Xtreme; ASUS Maximus XI Apex; Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Ultra; MSI MEG X399 Creation; Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Pro Wifi; ASUS TUF B450M-Pro Gaming; ASUS TUF B450M-Pro Gaming; Asrock X470 Master SLI / Gaming K4; "Asrock X470 Master SLI VRM temperature sensing is broken"; EVGA Z370 Micro; Gigabyte B450M Gaming; EVGA Z390 FTW; Gigabyte X370 Gaming K5; Asrock X570 Pro4; Asus X570 Strix-E; Gigabyte x570; MSI x570; Asrock x570; Asus x570; Asus X570 Prime-P; Asus X570 Strix-F; Gigabyte X570 Aorus Ultra; Gigabyte X570 Gaming X;

 

GN (Buidzoid): Best Motherboards for AMD Ryzen 2018 - AM4 X470 & B450; Best Z390 Motherboards for VRMs, 10Gb LAN, Mini-ITX, Micro-ATX (2018); Best AM4 Motherboards for Overclocking (X370 & B350); EVGA X299 DARK; MSI Z390 Godlike; ASUS Maximus XI Hero; ASUS Crosshair VI Hero X370; ASUS X399 Zenith Extreme; EVGA X299 DARK; MSI X570 Tomahawk

 

Bitwit: Biostar Racing X370 GTN

 

Kitguru: MSI TRX40 Creator

 

Sebelas Hardware: Biostar Racing X370 GT3

 

hardwareinside.de: biostar-racing x370gt5

 

play3r.net: biostar racing x370gt5

 

back2gaming.com: biostar racing b350gt5

 

Proclockers: biostar h310mhd pro

 

de8auer: MSI X570 Tomahawk, Asus B550-E and B550M TUF-Plus WiFi

 

XFastest: Biostar B550 GTQ

 

 

Legacy list thread: Those looking to dive into Intel's outdated process node and recycled (for many times) architecture please refer to the old list

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When Intel will come out ? The list i mean

[bowrilla]

I have a question regarding your methodology here.

 

You rated both the AsRock X570 Phantom Gaming-ITX/TB3 and the Asus ROG Strix X570-I as Tier A while the Gigabyte X570-I is rated Tier B. I watched Buildzoid rambling about both the AsRock and Gigabyte board and can't really find any reason for this rating especially considering the Asus board is sort of a fake doubling without a doubler so it just doubles some components if I saw this right and the Gigabyte has true 6 CPU VCC phases. 

 

And how did that rating with 160A vs 200A came together? Did you test this? Because I can't find Buildzoid mentioning the Gigabyte maxing out at 160A - in fact he said the VRM layout is amongst the best in this price class beating several bigger siblings. 

 

And since this is a motherboard tier list overall and not just a VRM tier list - or at least a tier list tha includes known problems I wonder why there's no downgrade for the AsRock because of the illplaced components between socket and memory slots (and the lower clocking memory modules on the QVL list probably as a result). There's not a single 32GB kit that's rated for over 3000MHz while the Gigabyte has at least one 3600MHz 32GB kit on offer.

 

So did you test the power limitation of the Gigabyte? Because I can't find one in the sources.

[Jurrunio]

1 hour ago, bowrilla said:

I have a question regarding your methodology here.

 

You rated both the AsRock X570 Phantom Gaming-ITX/TB3 and the Asus ROG Strix X570-I as Tier A while the Gigabyte X570-I is rated Tier B. I watched Buildzoid rambling about both the AsRock and Gigabyte board and can't really find any reason for this rating especially considering the Asus board is sort of a fake doubling without a doubler so it just doubles some components if I saw this right and the Gigabyte has true 6 CPU VCC phases. 

Fake phases doesnt affect efficiency very much, sheer number of them does. What fake phases cannot do at all is help with voltage regulation, but there are other ways to achieve that (capacitor trickery, shorter poiwer plane etc).

 

1 hour ago, bowrilla said:

And how did that rating with 160A vs 200A came together? Did you test this? Because I can't find Buildzoid mentioning the Gigabyte maxing out at 160A - in fact he said the VRM layout is amongst the best in this price class beating several bigger siblings. 

No I did not test them. What I do know is that the Gigabyte board only has 6 70A powerstages while Asus uses 8 70A ones, Asrock has 8 60A ones and VRM heatsink that's connected to the chipset heatsink with a fan on it. This means the Gigabyte board will be the first to overheat if you throw all of them onto a load tester and start dropping the resistance (so current goes higher)

 

1 hour ago, bowrilla said:

And since this is a motherboard tier list overall and not just a VRM tier list - or at least a tier list tha includes known problems I wonder why there's no downgrade for the AsRock because of the illplaced components between socket and memory slots (and the lower clocking memory modules on the QVL list probably as a result). There's not a single 32GB kit that's rated for over 3000MHz while the Gigabyte has at least one 3600MHz 32GB kit on offer.

This is in fact a VRM tier list, just renamed quite some time ago because many dont know what VRM is, hence not understanding what this post is about by just looking at the title. I would rename it.

[bowrilla]

7 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

Fake phases doesnt affect efficiency very much, sheer number of them does. What fake phases cannot do at all is help with voltage regulation, but there are other ways to achieve that (capacitor trickery, shorter poiwer plane etc).

 

No I did not test them. What I do know is that the Gigabyte board only has 6 70A powerstages while Asus uses 8 70A ones, Asrock has 8 60A ones and VRM heatsink that's connected to the chipset heatsink with a fan on it. This means the Gigabyte board will be the first to overheat if you throw all of them onto a load tester and start dropping the resistance (so current goes higher)

 

This is in fact a VRM tier list, just renamed quite some time ago because many dont know what VRM is, hence not understanding what this post is about by just looking at the title. I would rename it.

Thanks for the reply. I have to ask another question though: how does the rating happen then? Are there tests that showed the Gigabyte board topping out at ~160A of current draw while both the Asus and AsRock boards managing 200+ A? Or did somebody test the cooler's ability to transfer heat? Did the backplate of the Gigabyte board was taken into account since it is makes contact through a thermal pad to the PCB behind the power stages?

 

Or did you define some rules that sort boards into categories like 40% of the max theoretical current limit with a bonus for better cooling solutions?

 

I am fully aware that a list like this is complicated and you have to make do with the Infos you have with limited sources. I just try to understand the reasoning.