Can anyone tell me is this ips glow or backlight bleeding?

[Flying Sausages]

18 minutes ago, SolarNova said:

The majority of that looks to be IPS glow because the different angles the pictures were taken show different amount of 'glow'.

 

The bits that dont change in size or intensity are BLB.

 

As others have mentioned, BLB and IPS glow amounts are part of the panel lottery, Manufacturers neglect to give any guarantees on 'uniformity' which encompasses BLB and IPS glow, so your only way to find out if a specific Display model is susceptible to 'bad' amounts is via reviews, or 1st hand experience.

From my research, backlight bleeding is manufacturer defective and IPS glow is natural for IPS pannel type.

[Tristerin]

5 minutes ago, OlympicAssEater said:

Weird. You should at least have IPS glow with IPS panel or maybe your camera didn't pick it up or idk.

 

My model # is bmijdprz (Acer XF270HU which comes in diff models, some do have TN, mine assuredly is a IPS I have the box around here somewhere still was quite expensive when I bought it lol)

 

https://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?e=3409598

[dizmo]

49 minutes ago, OlympicAssEater said:

I don't know. My friend has an IPS monitor and he said if I want to get an IPS monitor, I should check if mine has IPS glow or backlight bleeding which is common for IPS from his point.

It sounds like you should just go VA.

[Flying Sausages]

33 minutes ago, dizmo said:

It sounds like you should just go VA.

Does VA suffer backlight bleed too? I like ultrawide monitor now, and the one I pick is kinda pricy $370 for 144hz and g-sync compatible. There are VIOTEK and Sceptre but I don't know these two about quality and performance.

[dizmo]

28 minutes ago, OlympicAssEater said:

Does VA suffer backlight bleed too? I like ultrawide monitor now, and the one I pick is kinda pricy $370 for 144hz and g-sync compatible. There are VIOTEK and Sceptre but I don't know these two about quality and performance.

VA panels don't generally suffer from IPS glow. Which is what you're seeing. Bleed happens at all times when the monitor is on. 

[Flying Sausages]

9 hours ago, dizmo said:

VA panels don't generally suffer from IPS glow. Which is what you're seeing. Bleed happens at all times when the monitor is on. 

So my LG 34GL750-B has ips glow not backlight bleed? I read backlight bleed is manufacturer defective because too much pressure squeeze the light hardware shine through the display panel. 

[SolarNova]

12 hours ago, OlympicAssEater said:

From my research, backlight bleeding is manufacturer defective and IPS glow is natural for IPS pannel type.

There are 2 forms of IPS glow.

 

The type which blooms and changes as you adjust your viewing angle. This is a form of defect when seen at a straight dead on position , each panel can have different amounts at different intensities. It is often mistaken for BLB.  Ideally a 'good' IPS display shouldnt display any IPS glow when seated at the correct distance and straight dead on viewing angle.

 

The other type is the 'glow' that the panel has when trying to display black. The glow is 'relatively' uniform (the amount of 'clouding varies from panel to panel) and is native to IPS display technology.

 

Then you have classic BLB, which is just light bleed from locations usually near the LED backlights and/or corners. This can 'sometimes' be fixed or lessened by pinching/pull the bezels and loosening/tightening the panel screws.

 

Examples:

 

Bad BLB on a VA

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Native IPS glow (the blue black), with good uniformity relative to other IPS displays

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IPS glow (bloom) effect at angles.

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Very good uniformity (little BLB) VA monitor

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very good uniformity on a VA TV

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Perfect Uniformity. (OLED)

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All examples are without Local Dimming if available on the example display.

[Mark Kaine]

11 hours ago, OlympicAssEater said:

Does VA suffer backlight bleed too? I like ultrawide monitor now, and the one I pick is kinda pricy $370 for 144hz and g-sync compatible. There are VIOTEK and Sceptre but I don't know these two about quality and performance.

If this really bothers you, I'd try get a replacement first if that's still bad, try another type. 

 

My ips monitor has similar bleeding than yours (sorry that's what it is imo - and either way it's there and it's not uniform so it's def some kind of defect) but it's not *that* bad like in your pic,  it's still pretty bad... However I don't really ever notice it when the screen is actually displaying something so it doesn't really bother me. The screen is also really bad at displaying blacks unfortunately - something even reviews picked up - but again it's rarely noticeable while playing games for example, but it still bothers me a bit tbh. 

 

Anyway, my next screen will be ips too,  I love the overall image quality, low input lag (9ms) and viewing angles,  so these weaknesses are a tradeoff I'm willing to do and I'll just next time try to get one with less bleeding and better blacks for sure. 

 

 

[Flying Sausages]

10 hours ago, SolarNova said:

 

So is my monitor bloom or glow? How to tell the different between ips glow and backlight bleeding in the picture?

 

10 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

If this really bothers you, I'd try get a replacement first if that's still bad, try another type. 

 

My ips monitor has similar bleeding than yours (sorry that's what it is imo - and either way it's there and it's not uniform so it's def some kind of defect) but it's not *that* bad like in your pic,  it's still pretty bad... However I don't really ever notice it when the screen is actually displaying something so it doesn't really bother me. The screen is also really bad at displaying blacks unfortunately - something even reviews picked up - but again it's rarely noticeable while playing games for example, but it still bothers me a bit tbh. 

 

Anyway, my next screen will be ips too,  I love the overall image quality, low input lag (9ms) and viewing angles,  so these weaknesses are a tradeoff I'm willing to do and I'll just next time try to get one with less bleeding and better blacks for sure.

My replacement unit will arrive tomorrow so I hope it will be better than this one.

 

@dizmo @SolarNova @Mark Kaine @SpookyCitrus @BuckGup@TrigrHI think mine is bad. Here are multiple pictures below in the spoiler.I can see them white glows without using camera. What do you guys think? I will post picture of the replacement to ask you guys if the replacement unit is any better than the current one I am using tomorrow.

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[Mark Kaine]

7 minutes ago, OlympicAssEater said:

My replacement unit will arrive tomorrow so I hope it will be better than this one.

Good luck! 

 

Yeah those pics it looks pretty bad. Just screen lottery it seems. 

 

I can really only see mine when absolutely nothing is displayed,  otherwise nope,  never notice... (so basically before loading screens etc)

 

 

[Flying Sausages]

5 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

Good luck! 

 

Yeah those pics it looks pretty bad. Just screen lottery it seems. 

 

I can really only see mine when absolutely nothing is displayed,  otherwise nope,  never notice... (so basically before loading screens etc)

 

 

Ah dammit. I hate lottery.

 

What is your screen look like with full black wallpaper?

 

Here is a pic on LTT black theme

[Mark Kaine]

13 minutes ago, OlympicAssEater said:

Ah dammit. I hate lottery.

 

What is your screen look like with full black wallpaper?

Yeap that's when I see it... Just not in games etc,  I mean I play a LOT of Resident Evil and I never noticed lol.

 

 

Note  the blue light / thing is my PC's front USB LED lol, nothing I can do about that , and that's not a background,  just black screen in paint

 

 

It's bad,  but not that bad, at least it seems mostly only the 2 lower corners 

 

 

 

 

PS:  I really don't get it as soon anything other additional to "black" is displayed it's seemingly gone completely,  I mean I can't see it at all on my desktop for example...  

 

[Flying Sausages]

5 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

Yeap that's when I see it... Just not in games etc,  I mean I play a LOT of Resident Evil and I never noticed lol.

 

 

Note  the blue light / thing is my PC's front USB LED lol, nothing I can do about that , and that's not a background,  just black screen in paint

 

 

It's bad,  but not that bad, at least it seems mostly only the 2 lower corners 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you notice on LTT with black theme? 

Here is mine

[SolarNova]

33 minutes ago, OlympicAssEater said:

So is my monitor bloom or glow? How to tell the different between ips glow and backlight bleeding in the picture?

 

My replacement unit will arrive tomorrow so I hope it will be better than this one.

 

@dizmo @SolarNova @Mark Kaine @SpookyCitrus @BuckGup@TrigrHI think mine is bad. Here are multiple pictures below in the spoiler.I can see them white glows without using camera. What do you guys think? I will post picture of the replacement to ask you guys if the replacement unit is any better than the current one I am using tomorrow.

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As i mentioned in my 1st post, u can tell if something is IPS glow by viewing it from different angles. The amount of 'glow/bloom' changes as ur viewing angle changes, ur newest pictures also show this. The video in my last post shows this very well.

 

BLB stays the same regardless of the viewing angle.

 

FYI: A solid black image is the best way to test, u can make a solid black image in MS Paint.

[Mark Kaine]

5 minutes ago, OlympicAssEater said:

Do you notice on LTT with black theme? 

Here is mine

 

I don't see it at all...it seems to be slightly visible on photos however? 

 

 

Also the blue LED from my PC doesn't help!  

[Mark Kaine]

4 minutes ago, SolarNova said:

FYI: A solid black image is the best way to test, u can make a solid black image in MS Paint.

Yup,  just did it!  It's pretty bad.  It's not even really black haha. 

 

However in games I get "black" you know it's weird? And it's not "crushed blacks" either because my monitor is full rgb and so is my Nvidia color settings... I can actually do crushed blacks by setting it to not full RGB. 

 

Also my monitor has a setting to improve this,  but that's turned off? 

 

(it's called ASCR)

[Flying Sausages]

11 minutes ago, SolarNova said:

As i mentioned in my 1st post, u can tell if something is IPS glow by viewing it from different angles. The amount of 'glow/bloom' changes as ur viewing angle changes, ur newest pictures also show this. The video in my last post shows this very well.

 

BLB stays the same regardless of the viewing angle.

Oh okay. 

 

12 minutes ago, SolarNova said:

 

 

FYI: A solid black image is the best way to test, u can make a solid black image in MS Paint.

I use this site to check for dead pixel, stuck pixel, and ips glow, and backligjt bleed. 

http://www.deadpixeltest.com/

 

I will update the status tomorrow and @ you when I receive my replacement unit from Amazon to ask if it is better than my current one. Second opinions is better than 1. 

[SolarNova]

7 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

Yup,  just did it!  It's pretty bad.  It's not even really black haha. 

 

However in games I get "black" you know it's weird? And it's not "crushed blacks" either because my monitor is full rgb and so is my Nvidia color settings... I can actually do crushed blacks by setting it to not full RGB. 

 

Also my monitor has a setting to improve this,  but that's turned off? 

 

(it's called ASCR)

A LCD will never display solid black. Unless it has a good FALD implementation (of which no gaming monitor has) it simply cant due to the backlight always being on.

 

In game it may 'look' like a deeper black, but that will only be due to the other parts of the scene being bright. Thats what contrast ratio is, the difference from the brightest part compared to the darkest, the darkest doesnt have to be a true black to look black if the whitest part is very very bright. ofc that only works in scenes like that, if the entire screen is dark , well then u notice that it isnt actually black.

 

ASCR is contrast correction. it will jack up or down brightness , gamma, color, and contrast settings to try and make scenes 'pop' . Problem is they can sometimes be very noticeable when it turns on or off, and can make scenes look different than was intended. it can help , but it wont fix things like IPS glow and BLB. Its one of those things used to advertise the BS contrast ratios of 1,000,000:1 in specs.

[Flying Sausages]

 

@SpookyCitrus @Tristerin @BuckGup @TrigrH @SolarNova @dizmo @Mark KaineI got my replacement unit today. How does it compare to my previous one? I need second opinions. Is it ips glow or backlight? I think it is ips glow from the glow changing in different angles.

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[Mark Kaine]

@OlympicAssEater I think... this is kinda worse?  

 

I'm not sure. Do you notice it while something is being displayed like a picture,  movie or game?  

 

[Flying Sausages]

Just now, Mark Kaine said:

@OlympicAssEater I think... this is kinda worse?  

 

I'm not sure. Do you notice it while something is being displayed like a picture,  movie or game?  

 

A short 25 secs clip here: https://streamable.com/vsvbn

 

 

 

[SolarNova]

12 minutes ago, OlympicAssEater said:

 

@SpookyCitrus @Tristerin @BuckGup @TrigrH @SolarNova @dizmo @Mark KaineI got my replacement unit today. How does it compare to my previous one? I need second opinions. Is it ips glow or backlight? I think it is ips glow from the glow changing in different angles.

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Well,,, based on the images proved so far in this thread i'd have to say its worse.

 

Just to double check ,, u have tried sitting further away form the screen right ?

The curve of the screen means distance affects IPS glow just like moving from side to side or looking from above or below.

 

 

Perhaps u should consider getting a different model if Uniformity is a priority, obviously IPS glow is an issue, in which case u should consider a different panel type.

Going ultrawide also limits ur options as there are no ultrawides I know with 'good' uniformity.

 

 

[Tristerin]

How about this, I can only see IPS glow when I use my camera to see it, on my IPS panel (in fact until you had me check with a camera I didn't think I had any at all).  Without the camera...my blacks are black as shit (in comparison)with no lights on in the room (now that I STARE at it in the dark I can kind of see a IPS glow but nothing like Im seeing here)

 

EDIT - and my camera only sees it when Im at an angle - maybe this all has to do with the panel, and the fact its curved?

[Flying Sausages]

2 minutes ago, SolarNova said:

Well,,, based on the images proved so far in this thread i'd have to say its worse.

 

3 minutes ago, SolarNova said:

 

Just to double check ,, u have tried sitting further away form the screen right ?

I am sitting close to the screen

 

3 minutes ago, SolarNova said:

The curve of the screen means distance affects IPS glow just like moving from side to side or looking from above or below.

 

 

Perhaps u should consider getting a different model if Uniformity is a priority, obviously IPS glow is an issue, in which case u should consider a different panel type.

Going ultrawide also limits ur options as there are no ultrawides I know with 'good' uniformity.

 

 

So this replacement has ips glow but no better than my previous one?

 

3 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

How about this, I can only see IPS glow when I use my camera to see it, on my IPS panel (in fact until you had me check with a camera I didn't think I had any at all).  Without the camera...my blacks are black as shit (in comparison)with no lights on in the room (now that I STARE at it in the dark I can kind of see a IPS glow but nothing like Im seeing here)

 

EDIT - and my camera only sees it when Im at an angle - maybe this all has to do with the panel, and the fact its curved?

I don't know if just the panel is curved but I can see it without camera like watching this movie trailer

 

[Mark Kaine]

1 minute ago, Tristerin said:

How about this, I can only see IPS glow when I use my camera to see it, on my IPS panel (in fact until you had me check with a camera I didn't think I had any at all).  Without the camera...my blacks are black as shit (in comparison)with no lights on in the room (now that I STARE at it in the dark I can kind of see a IPS glow but nothing like Im seeing here)

 

EDIT - and my camera only sees it when Im at an angle - maybe this all has to do with the panel, and the fact its curved?

Yeah I noticed this already, it's much worse on photos than irl.  I see it irl on my screen,  but it looks way worse on photo's... Hence why I asked if he sees it when something is displayed... 

 

I mean honestly 99.9% don't notice this ever % except during loading screens and such sometimes. 

 

Also with a camera you can change this with settings... P sure I could change my camera to make it nearly black... But I set it to auto as I think that'd be the most objective setting - even though that's clearly deceiving also. 

 

So yeah, it comes down to does it bother  @OlympicAssEater  yes or no. 

 

I'd suggest playing some games and see how it goes.