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Minor rant. I really want to know more about navi21 in consoles

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My gtx970 is starting to not play games I want to play.  Not merely at nice sizes, but at all.(Breathedge in particular I can’t make work even with legacy compatibility options)  I could buy a 5700/5700xt and solve the problem, but if it won’t handle an Xbox or PlayStation 5 game it becomes junk upon their arrival, and that could be as little as 6 months away. Consoles IMHO control what hardware game systems need.  Whatever the navi21 apu in these upcoming consoles does is going to be the new minimum, and there is no data.  I don’t know if a 5700xt will even do it.  I don’t know if a 2080ti will do it.

 

i literally can’t buy a new GPU at all until I find out more about these things, and there is no information available.  It’s very very frustrating.

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3 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

I really want to know more about navi21 in consoles

You and half the tech-industry. Just suck it up and wait until there's more information to be had.

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Navi 21 is a custom made chip with ray tracing support inside a custom 8 core cpu.

It should come in desktop next year with Navi 23.

https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-navi-23-21-high-end-gpus-2020-rumor/

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6 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

My gtx970 is starting to not play games I want to play.  Not merely at nice sizes, but at all.(Breathedge in particular I can’t make work even with legacy compatibility options)  

the min requirements for that game is a GTX 660, so the 970 isn't too old to play it.

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1 minute ago, Fasauceome said:

the min requirements for that game is a GTX 660, so the 970 isn't too old to play it.

That’s what theyre listed as anyway.  Reality appears to be different.

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3 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

That’s what theyre listed as anyway.  Reality appears to be different.

the GTX 970 still gets driver updates, so it's current gen software wise. You might just have a driver problem

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4 minutes ago, SupaKomputa said:

Navi 21 is a custom made chip with ray tracing support inside a custom 8 core cpu.

It should come in desktop next year with Navi 23.

https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-navi-23-21-high-end-gpus-2020-rumor/

Yeah, that’s the aug9th stuff that came out when navi10 did.  Not much data since that is of any use.  There was a blurb from Xbox claiming they would increase core and memory count on their systems to be bigger than Sony. Don’t know how true it actually was.  The hardware raytracing is the big unknown atm.  Will it be operation critical or just minimal eye candy?  If it’s operation critical it might still be software emulatable, but what will the hardware hit be for that?  Real pics of the PlayStation 5 dev kit came out and there’s a heckuva lot of airflow there.  High heat means high power.

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32 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

the GTX 970 still gets driver updates, so it's current gen software wise. You might just have a driver problem

I might.  Checking..

 

update: gigabyte hasn’t updated their drivers since 2017 and I could possibly be linked to them.  Downloaded newest from nvidia.  They loaded but GeForce experience login seems horrendously buggy.  Click windows are waaaay off and I can’t seem to get past their “I am not a robot” even though I pass it.

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3 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Yeah, that’s the aug9th stuff that came out when navi10 did.  Not much data since that is of any use.  There was a blurb from Xbox claiming they would increase core and memory count on their systems to be bigger than Sony. Don’t know how true it actually was.  The hardware raytracing is the big unknown atm.  Will it be operation critical or just minimal eye candy?  If it’s operation critical it might still be software emulatable, but what will the hardware hit be for that?  Real pics of the PlayStation 5 dev kit came out and there’s a heckuva lot of airflow there.  High heat means high power.

Hardware raytracing is the one of the most important feature in the next gen consoles. It is confirmed. Both ps and xbox will have it hard coded inside the cpu.

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44 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

the GTX 970 still gets driver updates, so it's current gen software wise. You might just have a driver problem

Gave up on the buggy GeForce experience login and just tried the game.  Works now!  U ROK!

serious stupid on my part.  I assumed gigabyte would be keeping up drivers.

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Lower game resolution or turn down the game settings to play them games.

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4 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

I might.  Checking..

 

update: gigabyte hasn’t updated their drivers since 2017 and I could possibly be linked to them.  Downloaded newest from nvidia.  They loaded but GeForce experience login seems horrendously buggy.  Click windows are waaaay off and I can’t seem to get past their “I am not a robot” even though I pass it.

Don't use GeForce experience, it is a piece of crap.  Just install the drivers by themselves 

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13 hours ago, SupaKomputa said:

Hardware raytracing is the one of the most important feature in the next gen consoles. It is confirmed. Both ps and xbox will have it hard coded inside the cpu.

The whole point behind going to an amd64 system though was to leverage amd64 so they could get PC games on their systems.  This means it can be written around.  There could well be hellacious overhead.  There are software raytracing things out now.  AMD even released one.  The overhead is indeed hellacious.  If a Navi 21 runs even half as fast as a 5700xt it will beat it cold.

 

8 hours ago, FezBoy said:

Don't use GeForce experience, it is a piece of crap.  Just install the drivers by themselves

It was the worst gui I’ve seen in a very long time.

 

8 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

Lower game resolution or turn down the game settings to play them games.

Tried that.  Wouldn’t even load.  Turned out to be old drivers though so I’m an idiot.  Nothing to see here folks.  Just an old man who got himself stuck in his fly.

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Not a pro, not even very good.  I’m just old and have time currently.  Assuming I know a lot about computers can be a mistake.

 

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