5700 XT for $500 or 2080 for $900

[TommyTwommy]

Those are the crazy prices in my country.. I am wondering which one of these would you pick:

 

5700 XT - $500

2070 Super - $700

2080 - $900

[Princess Luna]

The 5700XT

[OnionFromOrion]

I wouldn't say the 2070 Super is $200 better, and the 2080 is definitely not $400 better than the 5700XT or even $200 better than the 2070 Super. 

 

I was in a similar situation here in Australia and went for a 5700 XT, the money I saved is going towards better cooling. Although 5700XT AIB models are coming soon too. 

[dizmo]

I wouldn't get a Reference AMD card, that's for sure.

[TommyTwommy]

7 hours ago, dizmo said:

I wouldn't get a Reference AMD card, that's for sure.

I definitely won't be getting the blower one either.. I will wait for the AIB models.. I just wanted to make sure it was the best choice..

[Cigano]

2070 super imo 

[ad_hoc]

1 hour ago, Cigano said:

2070 super imo 

Yes, pay 40% more for up to 5% better performance.

[xAcid9]

Wait for afternarket 5700XT and then compare price with 2070S.

[hollyh88]

6 hours ago, ad_hoc said:

Yes, pay 40% more for up to 5% better performance.

better cooler. better bios, better overal support, rtx games are starting to be build up from the ground with rtx. and not implomenting later. like cyberpunk. thus will run better, something you wont have on the 5700xt. 

i would say the rtx 2070 super above the 5700xt. they already modded the 5700xt with extreme cooling. it did beat the rtx 2070 and got close tot he 2080 but... thats insanely modded and heavily cooled. around 2200 so yeah no not perfect. 

[xAcid9]

17 minutes ago, hollyh88 said:

rtx games are starting to be build up from the ground with rtx. and not implomenting later. like cyberpunk. thus will run better,

how is it build from ground up if RTX was introduced in mid development? did you see any RTX effect in Cyberpunk 2077 gameplay demo?

Quake II RTX was build from ground up, still run like shit. 

17 minutes ago, hollyh88 said:

i would say the rtx 2070 super above the 5700xt. they already modded the 5700xt with extreme cooling. it did beat the rtx 2070 and got close tot he 2080 but... thats insanely modded and heavily cooled. around 2200 so yeah no not perfect. 

clock per clock the 5700 XT is a tad lower compare to 2070 Super imo, i believe any 5700 XT with proper cooler can get 2000mhz-2100mhz.

[hollyh88]

2 hours ago, xAcid9 said:

how is it build from ground up if RTX was introduced in mid development? did you see any RTX effect in Cyberpunk 2077 gameplay demo?

Quake II RTX was build from ground up, still run like shit. 

clock per clock the 5700 XT is a tad lower compare to 2070 Super imo, i believe any 5700 XT with proper cooler can get 2000mhz-2100mhz.

Because devs are able to use it from ground up and they will, And you should keep up with the news  https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/cyberpunk-2077-nvidia-partnership-ray-tracing/

 

quake runs like shit because of how old it is engine wise and well simply no official support wise. so yes ofc it runs worse than damm battlefield 5 on rtx. But when a modern game is build from the ground up with rtx also it then means that it has been made sure to work with the tech. and not be some smashed together frankenstein game. and with modern engine versions and better support for such games the games will well ofc run better. 

and they did a super mod for the 5700xt. heavily cooled and power modded. it ran i believe 2200 and it did beat the 2070 super. got close to a 2080. but again thats a heavy mod. with heavy cooling. 

 

whether you like it or not. yeah the rtx 2070 super is expansive and should be around 500 even the boardpartners instead of 600 here or 620. but it is the better card with better features. 

 

[Cigano]

10 hours ago, ad_hoc said:

Yes, pay 40% more for up to 5% better performance.

Not sure what you're talking about in this case it's 28.5% more expensive not 40%. The 5700xt is having a ton of issues right now and until other cards come out I just don't understand why someone would pick one up. If you want a fighter jet engine that sits next to your head and runs at 95C go ahead. Lots of people are having driver issues as well. It's not as cut and dry as FPS atm. VERY different cards with very different features. 

[TheDankKoosh]

1 hour ago, hollyh88 said:

Because devs are able to use it from ground up and they will, And you should keep up with the news  https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/cyberpunk-2077-nvidia-partnership-ray-tracing/

 

quake runs like shit because of how old it is engine wise and well simply no official support wise. so yes ofc it runs worse than damm battlefield 5 on rtx. But when a modern game is build from the ground up with rtx also it then means that it has been made sure to work with the tech. and not be some smashed together frankenstein game. and with modern engine versions and better support for such games the games will well ofc run better. 

and they did a super mod for the 5700xt. heavily cooled and power modded. it ran i believe 2200 and it did beat the 2070 super. got close to a 2080. but again thats a heavy mod. with heavy cooling. 

 

whether you like it or not. yeah the rtx 2070 super is expansive and should be around 500 even the boardpartners instead of 600 here or 620. but it is the better card with better features. 

 

You can successfully undervolt the 5700xt and still get 2ghz on it easily while lowering temps, I've been seeing people getting 2000mhz on 1v with an average of 1.05 for those clocks.

[xAcid9]

2 hours ago, hollyh88 said:

Because devs are able to use it from ground up and they will, And you should keep up with the news  https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/cyberpunk-2077-nvidia-partnership-ray-tracing/

 

quake runs like shit because of how old it is engine wise and well simply no official support wise. so yes ofc it runs worse than damm battlefield 5 on rtx. But when a modern game is build from the ground up with rtx also it then means that it has been made sure to work with the tech. and not be some smashed together frankenstein game. and with modern engine versions and better support for such games the games will well ofc run better. 

and they did a super mod for the 5700xt. heavily cooled and power modded. it ran i believe 2200 and it did beat the 2070 super. got close to a 2080. but again thats a heavy mod. with heavy cooling. 

 

whether you like it or not. yeah the rtx 2070 super is expansive and should be around 500 even the boardpartners instead of 600 here or 620. but it is the better card with better features. 

 

I don't think you understand the meaning of build from ground up. Cyberpunk 2077 RTX feature was added later in the development process just like Metro Exodus and BFV. Similar to Witcher 3 where the effect was added later and no high end GPU was able to get 60fps on Ultra setting when it released 4-5 years ago, that how shit the optimization was even on CDPR hand. Are you too young to remember that? 

 

Quake II source code is available on Github. You can do whatever you want with it under GPL term, i guess that's why Nvidia choose this game to remaster it with RTX feature. They rewrite and change the graphic engine too Vulkan and add modern features like dynamic lighting, PBR, RTX etc. They got support from Bethesda. It is not smashed together. 

 

That 2.2ghz 5700 XT is under water, yes. Softmodded to increase the power limit, yes. But even a reference blower 5700XT with sufficient thermal can get 2000mhz-2100mhz and that is 2070S territory. 

[MeatFeastMan]

6 hours ago, hollyh88 said:

better cooler. better bios, better overal support, rtx games are starting to be build up from the ground with rtx. and not implomenting later. like cyberpunk. thus will run better, something you wont have on the 5700xt. 

i would say the rtx 2070 super above the 5700xt. they already modded the 5700xt with extreme cooling. it did beat the rtx 2070 and got close tot he 2080 but... thats insanely modded and heavily cooled. around 2200 so yeah no not perfect. 

Great argument. Unfortunately, there's one problem with that argument. One card is $500, the other is $700. There is NO WAY that anybody is going to pay $200 for 5% more performance, some better lighting in like 3 games and a few fans. Only the biggest Nvidia fanboys would pay silly money just to avoid a blower design.

 

It's like picking between a low-end branded Steak Pie that is one day past it's expiry date for £1 and another Steak Pie that extremely expensive premium stuff for £10. I don't care who you are, people aren't gonna pay £9 more just to avoid the tiny risk of some dodgy steak. Unless they are some rich person who has money coming out their ears.

 

 

 

 

[hollyh88]

42 minutes ago, MeatFeastMan said:

Great argument. Unfortunately, there's one problem with that argument. One card is $500, the other is $700. There is NO WAY that anybody is going to pay $200 for 5% more performance, some better lighting in like 3 games and a few fans. Only the biggest Nvidia fanboys would pay silly money just to avoid a blower design.

 

It's like picking between a low-end branded Steak Pie that is one day past it's expiry date for £1 and another Steak Pie that extremely expensive premium stuff for £10. I don't care who you are, people aren't gonna pay £9 more just to avoid the tiny risk of some dodgy steak. Unless they are some rich person who has money coming out their ears.

 

 

 

 

I would take the rtx 2070 super over the 5700xt any day  

And yes i wouldnt mind paying for something like the msi rtx 2070 super gaming x trio. 200 euro price difference. yet so much better in every way. besides fps. but i dont just buy a gpu to get the highest fps. i also buy it while thinking about support, cooling, the state of the product etc. 

And i am not rich. i do not have money coming out of my ears. but i do have autism, and i wouldnt want a fighter jet engine next to my ear when i can have the most silent high end gpu out there. for a bit more. 

[hollyh88]

1 hour ago, xAcid9 said:

I don't think you understand the meaning of build from ground up. Cyberpunk 2077 RTX feature was added later in the development process just like Metro Exodus and BFV. Similar to Witcher 3 where the effect was added later and no high end GPU was able to get 60fps on Ultra setting when it released 4-5 years ago, that how shit the optimization was even on CDPR hand. Are you too young to remember that? 

 

Quake II source code is available on Github. You can do whatever you want with it under GPL term, i guess that's why Nvidia choose this game to remaster it with RTX feature. They rewrite and change the graphic engine too Vulkan and add modern features like dynamic lighting, PBR, RTX etc. They got support from Bethesda. It is not smashed together. 

 

That 2.2ghz 5700 XT is under water, yes. Softmodded to increase the power limit, yes. But even a reference blower 5700XT with sufficient thermal can get 2000mhz-2100mhz and that is 2070S territory. 

I don't think you understand the meaning of build from ground up. Cyberpunk 2077 RTX feature was added later in the development process

Later but with more time, more knowdledge and more communication. something that for example dice didnt have with bf5. now rtx in bf5 isnt terrible either anymore. 
But upcoming games will be having rtx support. that is the next big thing that games will have. Thus i rather buy a card that will be able to use the tech then not have it. and sure better cards will always come out. but i dont mind. ive had the gtx 1070 (evga gtx 1070 sc) for 2 and a half years now. its good. i like it. but i do like gaming on my 1440p and i do like my ultra settings. and thats something that the gtx 1070sc even at 1080p shows its age. 

Now call me an nvidia fan boy or whatever, but im not. im just picking the better one. Just like i went with amd on the cpu side of things. 

And 2100 might be 2070s territory it still doesnt beat it when doing that. i can just oc mine not have any issues with cooling and still be happy. AMD did an amazing job with the 5000 series cards. but they shouldnt have released them yet. they should have worked on them, and gave them better coolers. a blower style cooler is dumb. and the only way a 5700xt will beat an rtx 2070 s now is via modding it like crazy. undervolting is great and all but that doesnt help the card at all. might help with fps but not the card. 

I'm not too young to remember what they did with the witcher 3. good joke
I do know that the witcher 3 was far beyond its time at that time. graphic wise engine wise.  

[Blademaster91]

1 hour ago, MeatFeastMan said:

Great argument. Unfortunately, there's one problem with that argument. One card is $500, the other is $700. There is NO WAY that anybody is going to pay $200 for 5% more performance, some better lighting in like 3 games and a few fans. Only the biggest Nvidia fanboys would pay silly money just to avoid a blower design.

 

It's like picking between a low-end branded Steak Pie that is one day past it's expiry date for £1 and another Steak Pie that extremely expensive premium stuff for £10. I don't care who you are, people aren't gonna pay £9 more just to avoid the tiny risk of some dodgy steak. Unless they are some rich person who has money coming out their ears.

 

 

 

 

I wouldn't mind paying a bit extra to have a better, more quiet cooler, although I don't see the point in spending $200 more for the 2080 as the 2070 Super comes close in many cases. I also wouldn't mind having the RTX feature, as long as a game that support ray tracing comes with it.

However some people don't mind paying extra for a more premium product, and not everyone wants to take a risk breaking their GPU by doing extreme overclocking with power mods and having to run the blower fan at 100% to have sufficient thermals.

[aisle9]

On 7/20/2019 at 2:37 AM, dizmo said:

I wouldn't get a Reference AMD card, that's for sure.

Their reference cooler is a 737. Until they fix the drivers, it even crashes like one.

 

The AIB coolers, however, I'm holding out tremendous hope for, both in terms of finding some extra headroom and in terms of keeping the boost clock going for longer.

 

To the OP's point, if those are your three options and prices, I'd go for the 5700 XT.