History question. Has there ever been a country that has changed political or economic systems without a change in leader?

[Legolessed]

What are examples of countries that have gone through moderate or extreme economic or political change without a change in leadership. Like socialist to communist or feudalist to something else. Sorry im just kind of curious. Thank you! 

[Volbet]

That depends a lot on what you consider a change in leadership.

There have been plenty of countries that changed from a total monarchy to a democracy while keeping the monarch as the head of state.

[Oalei]

Well my country undergo some changes from like republic to union to liberal? To Republic to Republic Pancasila. Well you can check Indonesia history if you wanted to IDK even if I'm correct tbh. 

[wasab]

You meant political system right? I mean regime changes all the time, unless they have no term limit and are immortal. 

[Andreas Lilja]

Pinochet? 

 

Remained high-ranking even after transition to democracy. 

[mr moose]

depends on how you define a change in political or economic structure.  For the most part a change in one causes a change in the other so it's hard to define what the driving force of change was.

 

Some changes take generations while others take just long enough that a change in leadership is likely to have occurred just before or just after if not during.

[Joko]

It's highly improbable for us to finally throw off the shackles of oppressive capitalism without some kind of violent revolution by the proletariat.

 

 

[wasab]

11 hours ago, Joko said:

It's highly improbable for us to finally throw off the shackles of oppressive capitalism without some kind of violent revolution by the proletariat.

 

 

Adolf Hitler and Emperor palpatine were voted into powers though. The latter is not history but very possible in real life. 

[Joko]

22 minutes ago, wasab said:

Adolf Hitler and Emperor palpatine were voted into powers though. The latter is not history but very possible in real life. 

That's Bourgeois revolution. There was no departure from capitalism. Workers were still being exploited by a system of profit motive. (Not entirely certain about palpatine, that's fiction)

[The King of the Undead]

7 hours ago, Joko said:

That's Bourgeois revolution. There was no departure from capitalism. Workers were still being exploited by a system of profit motive. (Not entirely certain about palpatine, that's fiction)

wasn't palpatine ancient rome?

[wasab]

26 minutes ago, will1432 said:

wasn't palpatine ancient rome?

Oh yes, the communist Republic of Rome. How can anyone not know?

[straight_stewie]

On 6/14/2019 at 5:34 PM, mr moose said:

Some changes take generations while others take just long enough that a change in leadership is likely to have occurred just before or just after if not during.

Even then, usually the "official" change over is accompanied very closely by a change in leadership. Gorbachev in Russia, spent his entire time as leader trying to dissolve the USSR. Boris Yeltsin then became the first president of the Russian Federation. Interestingly, Mike Rowe tells the story pretty well: The Way I heard It, Clean Up on Isle 4, iHeartRadio

[wasab]

2 hours ago, straight_stewie said:

Even then, usually the "official" change over is accompanied very closely by a change in leadership. Gorbachev in Russia, spent his entire time as leader trying to dissolve the USSR. Boris Yeltsin then became the first president of the Russian Federation. Interestingly, Mike Rowe tells the story pretty well: The Way I heard It, Clean Up on Isle 4, iHeartRadio

What??

 

Gorbachev was a true believer in communism. His policies of reforms were meant to save the Soviet Union. People simply seen too much Western television after the relaxes on censorship and then began dismantling the communist state as Gorbachev watched in horror. 

[straight_stewie]

14 minutes ago, wasab said:

What??

 

Gorbachev was a true believer in communism. His policies of reforms were meant to save the Soviet Union. People simply seen too much Western television after the relaxes on censorship and then began dismantling the communist state as Gorbachev watched in horror.  

Gorbachev championed Glosnast and Perestroika...

In his first two years as leader, he was able to start fixing the USSRs lack luster economic performance, and started allowing agricultural companies to directly sell produce to consumers/retailers (the first in many steps towards a more capitalist society). He also started Glasnost during the second year. Glasnost was an "opening of government", increasing the transparency of government decisions. That is a huge step towards a democratic society.

For the record, Gorbachev started talking about Perestroika two years before he became the leader of the then USSR...

[wasab]

19 minutes ago, straight_stewie said:

Gorbachev championed Glosnast and Perestroika...

In his first two years as leader, he was able to start fixing the USSRs lack luster economic performance, and started allowing agricultural companies to directly sell produce to consumers/retailers (the first in many steps towards a more capitalist society). He also started Glasnost during the second year. Glasnost was an "opening of government", increasing the transparency of government decisions. That is a huge step towards a democratic society.

For the record, Gorbachev started talking about Perestroika two years before he became the leader of the then USSR...

china is now a free market, Vietnam is a free market, both still are a single party dictatorship rule by the communist parties. i simply do not understand why you associate economic and institutional reform with the dismantling of the current regime. 

[straight_stewie]

2 minutes ago, wasab said:

china is now a free market, Vietnam is a free market, both still are a single party dictatorship rule by the communist parties. i simply do not understand why you associate economic and institutional reform with the dismantling of the current regime.  

Do you always change the subject when someone proves you wrong or do you just do that for my enjoyment?

[wasab]

7 minutes ago, straight_stewie said:

Do you always change the subject when someone proves you wrong or do you just do that for my enjoyment?

how am i changing the subject? i told you Gorbachev never meant to dismantle the Soviet state.  If he wants to do that, he can just apply the economic shock therapy himself and have all the Soviet republics hold a referendum for independence when he was the de facto head of the soviet union instead of allowing his arch-rival Yelstin to take power after the failed coup.

 

You do not understand Gorbachev's intention for his reforms. He saw a genuine issue in the communist party and he believes reforms were necceary to SAVE it, not to dismantle it. 

 

China and Vietnam did the same thing, except unlike the Soviet Union, they handled it well enough that their country does not break up into pieces. 

[Drak3]

11 minutes ago, straight_stewie said:

Do you always change the subject when someone proves you wrong

No, one time he more or less resorted to insults over an argument we had over there being any oligation, moral or otherwise, to tipping.