Microsoft Cancels "Sets"

[LAwLz]

Sad news!

The feature called "Sets", which would bring tabs to Explorer and many other programs, has been canceled.

 

According to some "inside sources", making programs such as Office compatible with Sets was quite the big task, and when Microsoft decided to scrap Edge to base it on Chromium, they would have to have redone a lot of their work on Sets. So they decided to just scrap it instead of redoing the browser part.

 

This has to some degree been confirmed by a Microsoft employee publicly on Twitter.

 

 

Source:

https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10s-sets-feature-is-gone-and-not-expected-to-return/

[RejZoR]

This has to be the first time new Windows big update is done in such secrecy with no finalized RTM leaks yet despite them existing already.

[GoodBytes]

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According to some "inside sources", making programs such as Office compatible with Sets was quite the big task, and when Microsoft decided to scrap Edge to base it on Chromium, they would have to have redone a lot of their work on Sets. So they decided to just scrap it instead of redoing the browser part.

Was working fine with Office from what I recall (speaking with my own experience with it, although it has been a very long time)

The issue is that people didn't like it and didn't understand it, if I recall feedback that was being said. 

People didn't see it as a differentiating factor over task bar.

 

Set was not about tabs per se, it was about projects. Say, just a simple example, you are working on a school project about a subject, you would have all your sources (PDF, websites, Word typing a doc, Excel doing an advanced table for your Word doc) all regroup together, that you can all save/close all tabs, and open another school project with its own set of tabs (or whatever else), work there, save/close all tabs, and return later back to the first project.

 

So you can flip between overall tasks/projects and keep a clean desktop and stay organized. And eventually have the ability to have all this sync on the cloud, so that you can work on a project, and resume it on another system (say, laptop)

 

Because people didn't like it, from what I read, apparently internal sources suggests that they didn't want another Windows 8, and decided to move it to Microsoft new, non-"Windows" branded (at least that it from engineers perspective. Microsoft wonderful marketing department will decide), OS that they are working on.

 

[LAwLz]

3 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

The issue is that didn't people like it and didn't understand it, if I recall feedback that was being said. 

People didn't see it as a differentiating factor over task bar. 

Really? All the threads I saw about it had most people really excited. One example of such thread:

 

 

[GoodBytes]

8 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

Really? All the threads I saw about it had most people really excited. One example of such thread:

It's biggest problem is your average consumer, is not interested in this. It is too different. People go out of their ways to change things like they "used to be" ages ago from their perspective. They are people who still use start menu replacement in Windows 10 to get Windows 7 style start menu. They still force in the aged old Windows 7 "Essentials" apps in Windows 10, as another example, because they don't like change. They want to get their job done, and move on, and spend time in learning something new.

 

So, from my understanding from articles on those who has internal sources from MS and twitter who has contacts on sources with a good track record, is that the company is now scared in doing anything major to the interface experience. And the company is putting its effort in its new OS instead. Microsoft understood that people now see Windows as a tool, and nothing more, and the majority of its users are not interested in trying something new. 

[PLME888]

37 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

The issue is that people didn't like it and didn't understand it

The problem is, is that you can organize by project by giving each project it's own Desktop and switch between those. Yes, Sets is a different way of doing it and more options is IMO good, but why implement something else that you can already do?

[LAwLz]

36 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

It's biggest problem is your average consumer, is not interested in this. It is too different. People go out of their ways to change things like they "used to be" ages ago from their perspective. They are people who still use start menu replacement in Windows 10 to get Windows 7 style start menu. They still force in the aged old Windows 7 "Essentials" apps in Windows 10, as another example, because they don't like change. They want to get their job done, and move on, and spend time in learning something new. 

 

So, from my understanding from articles on those who has internal sources from MS and twitter who has contacts on sources with a good track record, is that the company is now scared in doing anything major to the interface experience. And the company is putting its effort in its new OS instead. Microsoft understood that people now see Windows as a tool, and nothing more, and the majority of its users are not interested in trying something new.  

I don't believe that.

By the same logic, they would not have made any of the big changes they made in Windows 10. For example including the multiple desktop feature. People seem to still have a hard time with that concept from what I've seen, and yet Microsoft have put the button for it right there on the start menu.

 

Sorry but I don't buy the argument that they scrapped it because "people are afraid of change". Especially not since they could have just left it off by default and have an option to turn it on in settings.

[The Benjamins]

I thought it was only delayed not canceled?

 

I really want sets, tabs in explorer would be AMAZING for work.

[Doobeedoo]

8 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

I thought it was only delayed not canceled?

 

I really want sets, tabs in explorer would be AMAZING for work.

Yeah it is delayed but who knows when it will come now though. 

Tabs in Explorer should've arrived already. 

[Doobeedoo]

Shame, though as far as I've known it's delayed indefinitely though. Anyway, I could see this useful for me for heavy multitasking. I'd make few set "sessions" with various programs I use across monitors. Stuff Like that, can see it handy at situations. 

But Explorer tabs are long overdue, need to come soon. 

[RedRound2]

They made it overly complicated. No one asked for edge integration into tabs. All Most people wanted, I certainly, was to be able to open multiple tabs of explorer as switching tabs is a whole lot easier than managing 4+ explorer windows.

 

Apple has already done this on macOS and its great. MS just became too ambitions and I’m sure whatever they had was fundamentally broken. But I guess, thankfully the new Microsoft doesn’t seem to be too bold in shipping half baked products these days, like they once used to.

[Hellion]

Looks like microshaft actually dodged a bullet for once. Tabs in browsers are awful as it is. I can only imagine the nightmare that is the spyware client of windows 10 with tabs throughout the entire operating system. 

[minibois]

Aw... Boo!

I actually would have loved to have this feature in explorer, have been looking forward to it for a year or so now.. It would have been nice to have in Word too.

Well that's a shame.. I guess I will just have some explorer tabs hidden behind each other.. Like a darn caveman!

[Stefan Payne]

6 hours ago, GoodBytes said:

It's biggest problem is your average consumer, is not interested in this. It is too different. People go out of their ways to change things like they "used to be" ages ago from their perspective.

Yeah, for example the Windows 9x Start Menu in Windows 2000 or XP or the Windows 2000 Start Menu in Windows XP.

There are a lot of other examples as well, where people use the old WIndows style although its vastly inferior and not really much different to the "new thing".
 

The Windows 8 Start Menu was also not too bad, if you get used to it and "learn it", but herin lies the Problem: People don't want to learn.

[Princess Luna]

6 hours ago, GoodBytes said:

They are people who still use start menu replacement in Windows 10 to get Windows 7 style start menu. They still force in the aged old Windows 7 "Essentials" apps in Windows 10, as another example, because they don't like change. They want to get their job done, and move on, and spend time in learning something new.

Come on now, It isn't so much about disliking change or being lazy to "learn something new" but more about preferring what I find more functional for me in matter of facts part of the appeal is keep learning ways to actually keep things the way they are, it's actually getting really troublesome but I still manage to keep my Windows 10 looking and behaving exactly like Windows 7.

 

I do think that Windows 10 can be the best OS when properly edited to keep the good new features it has while scraping the many useless bloatware and ugly overdone UI's it has. The day the old Start Menu/Windows Search Bar and Windows Photo Viewer, Paint and any of the classical stuff is done for good then I might finally consider a Linux distro.

[crystal6tak]

In my opinion it didn't get lots of positive attention because people just didn't know what it was.

 

In the most popular video demonstrating sets (with over 600k views) it didn't show the two things I'm excited for. Tabs in x86 application and file explorer. Literally several top youtube rated comment thinks this doesn't support file explorer... 

 

If they have shown sets in a different light, people may have actually embraced it and wanted it instead of being negative about it.

[ZacoAttaco]

When I first heard about this feature I was sceptical but at the same time I knew it was one of those wait and see kind of features. I wouldn't see the use until I had the option myself, knowing Microsoft they'll probably rework this feature into some other product. They're pretty good like that.

[RedRound2]

17 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

The Windows 8 Start Menu was also not too bad, if you get used to it and "learn it", but herin lies the Problem: People don't want to learn.

No, it was terrible. Start menu is the one core thing of windows to access most frequently used programs, fundamentals like 'My Computer', list of every program installed and search functionality. How would you think people would react when their most used element of the UI suddenly slaps you with an entire UI with shortcuts to useless metro apps that nobody asked for? 

 

Sure you can get used to it, eventually, but why would you? The new start menu was objectively worse because it lacked a clear way for anyone to access it's aforementioned features that people had grown to use and love. So you can't justify it by saying people hate change. And besides, not everybody is a tech enthusiast like us who like to explore and adapt to new things. Some people just want to get their work done and changing something so fundamental to the Windows experience in ways that benefitted no one was one of the most stupidest decision any multibillion dollar company with high talents could ever dream of making