Every 1650 review...

[Skylon]

Me: Gee the 1650 finally released, I guess I should watch the reviews to see if its worth getting over a 1050ti since its a similar price or if a cheaper rx 550/560 / 750ti is actually better as a 75w option for my budget oem build with crappy psu.

 

Every YouTube reviewer: (first 25 minutes of video) "The 1650 is 10% slower than the 570 they didn't give us press drivers, nvidia is teh bad".

 

Me: Ok... *keeps watching*

 

Every YouTube reviewer: (last 2 seconds of video) "also there are 75w versions but thats a niche so no one cares"

 

Me: Ok, I guess I'll read the comments

 

Almost every Youtube commenter: Well just buy a 570 and a new PSU. Oh it won't fit just get a new case! Proprietary connections? Oh well just throw your computer in the trash and then buy a new case psu mobo processor ram and a 570 its a much better deal!

[Princess Luna]

The RX 570 is not that power hungry, any non garbage 400w~ PSU will suffice... and yes the 570 is unbeatable.

[7Hertz]

RX 570 should be ok on 350 watts, really depends what PSU it is and what system you have running off the PSU.

[Neftex]

idk who you watched but the 75w reviews will come later? at least on HW unboxed, and its probably gonna be even weaker card because of the power limit

[GoldenLag]

Tbf it makes a lot more sense to get a rx 570 and a PSU. mostly because you can run 2 PSUs if you are running a a proprietary system and just have the one powering the GPU on the outside with wiring through one of the PCIe slits. its an OEM PC and the extra PSU will be hidden behind the PC. 

 

 

it has a niche usecase, but even at that its not interesting for anyone else than OEMs like Dell who wants to pair in a GPU.

 

to quote Hardware unboxed: "Its DOA"

[flibberdipper]

Yes, it is arguably a pointless card since it's more expensive and performs worse than the nearest competitor. The only redeeming factor is that there will be 75w variants, which would be good for people like myself who have systems that require bus-powered low-profile cards. But since it's not 1060-level performance, it no longer matters to me in the slightest.

[Crunchy Dragon]

For the cost, an RX 570 is a much better deal than the 1650.

[Fasauceome]

The GamersNexus concluded that outside of the need for a PCIe only powered GPU, the 1650 is awful value, and since the vast majority of gamers are working with an 8 pin PCIe cable to spare, it's more sensible for the 570 to be rated far higher.

 

Of course for your use case a need for a low power GPU is well filled by the 1650 (although I say wait for the inevitable 1650 ti and see where that falls, it likely will too have a PCIe only version)

[Gorgon]

And why do the AIBs insist on making 2+ slot cards for such a low power card. Those wont fit in most mATX and iTX chassis.

 

One use case for this card would be for 1080p output in a HT server and a single slot half-width 75W card should be doable.

[Skylon]

Ok how about this then, can anyone of you find an RX 570 thats standard length / not long (200mm) and 400w SFF psu I can get for 150$ total. If you can I'll agree with you all.

[Stefan Payne]

25 minutes ago, Skylon said:

Almost every Youtube commenter: Well just buy a 570 and a new PSU. Oh it won't fit just get a new case! Proprietary connections? Oh well just throw your computer in the trash and then buy a new case psu mobo processor ram and a 570 its a much better deal!

If you bought an Office System for Gaming, its your fault.

 

As for Power Consumption:
A 300W PSU with the right Connections is easily enough for an RX570. Its not as much as the nVidia Fans want to make you believe...

 

Sadly AMD didn't release the RX570 Efficient wich is basically a WX5100.

Here the Specs:
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-pro-wx-5100.c2873

 

 

[Stefan Payne]

6 minutes ago, Skylon said:

Ok how about this then, can anyone of you find an RX 570 thats standard length / not long (200mm) and 400w SFF psu I can get for 150$ total. If you can I'll agree with you all.

Why bother, when you wouldn't even consider AMD Products at all?!

You didn't even mention what you have right now, what form Factor.

 

"SFF" is either SFX, TFX, FlexATX or some Proprietary stuff.

Also, as said, 300W are enough...

 

But that's always the problem in the GPU Market:
Peple want to buy the shittier, more expensive Product for no reason whatsoever.

 

But hey, rather buy a low VRAM Card today, that's gotten too little VRAM, so that you can get another shitty card next year.

Instead of buying a good Card with sufficient amount of VRAM right now and keep it for a couple of years...

 

That's Apple's Strategy...

cripple the products so that they have a short lifespan, so that you buy another one of their products sooner rather than later...

[Stefan Payne]

8 minutes ago, Skylon said:

Ok how about this then, can anyone of you find an RX 570 thats standard length / not long (200mm) and 400w SFF psu I can get for 150$ total. If you can I'll agree with you all.

https://geizhals.de/sapphire-pulse-itx-radeon-rx-570-4g-g5-11266-34-20g-a1750621.html?hloc=de

120€

 

NOT RECOMMENDED:
https://geizhals.de/kolink-sfx-350-350w-sfx12v-a1438715.html?hloc=de

 

Recommended:

https://geizhals.de/silverstone-sfx-series-st45sf-v3-0-450w-sfx12v-sst-st45sf-a1556534.html?hloc=de

 

So yeah, its somewhat possible if you need to, with SFX.

[mariushm]

Let's sum it up ...

 

GamersNexus tested the OC version of 1650, which comes with clocks boosted from factory and had a power budget of 90w ... however, it did not consume much over around 80 watts.

See the chart at the "OC Steppings" towards the bottom : https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3465-dead-on-arrival-nvidia-gtx-1650-video-card-review-vs-rx-570

 

The card defaults at 1860 Mhz for gpu and 2000 mhz for ram. You can see there when overclocked to 1965 Mhz avg. the power consumption was 72 watts. 

 

The pci-e 6 pin is necessary because officially you get around 65w on 12v and 10w on 3.3v from pci-e x16 slot ... so this card obviously consumes more than 65w without overclocking. They added the pci-e 6pin connector and they probably split the power more evenly, like 40w from slot, and 30-40w from pci-e 6 pin connector.

 

They can make cards without extra pci-e 6 pin connector, but those cards will have lower base clocks and the memory will probably also be at lower frequency, like let's say 1750 Mhz instead of 2000 Mhz

So, you can imagine that the differences between those 1650 and RX 570 will be even larger.

 

Anyway, a RX 570 consumes up to around 175w  ...

My Gigabyte RX 570 4GB with 1280/1750 Mhz has a power limit for the gpu set in bios to 148w and my Sapphire RX 570 4 GB with single fan has the limit set to 120w  ... add 10-20w for the ram and around 5-10w due to vrm innefficiency and you get your 150-175w power consumption

If you play with the power limits and move the slider down a few notches, you'll shave a few watts off the power consumption and get the video card closer to 150w.

So 80w vs 150-175w ... do you really care if you have 400w or higher power supplies?

[Slayer3032]

Am I missing something here? You're looking for a SFF card? Neither the GTX 1650, nor RX 570 are SFF.

 

Upgrade to something that has a power supply you can replace and fits standard size video cards, Sandy/Ivy Bridge i7 Dells are like $150. i7 Haswells are $250 and Skylake systems are as low as $300-350 even. I've seen better deals by far locally too. Sure there's a bunch of idiots worthy of being featured on Science Studio's craigslist features but there's plenty of people out there that actually sell systems instead of providing entertainment.

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/DELL-OPTIPLEX-9010-I7-3770-3-20GHZ-8GB-1TB-DUAL-AMD-GPU-HDD-T9-B18/303133883803

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Optiplex-9020-Intel-Core-i7-4770-3-40GHz-16GB-RAM-No-HDD-NO-OS-WIN-7-PRO/283427415961

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Optiplex-7040-M-Tower-6th-Generation-Intel-Core-i7-6700-3-40GHz-8GB-500GB/163662321242