RX 560 vs RX 570 VS GTX 1050 TI Vs GTX 1060 3GB. WHICH ONE WOULD YOU CHOOSE?

[Cheapassgamer]

19 minutes ago, _StrikE_ said:

Depends on your definition of light gaming.

You Tell Me

[mariushm]

Let's just say that you could counteract that throttling by forcing the fans to always spin faster, from the AMD Catalyst control panel. More airflow means cooler card but noisier card.

Adding a 120mm or 140mm fan on the side of the case blowing air over the length of a video card also helps A LOT... so the card would work just fine.

 

If it's a good price, I would go for it. Don't worry too much about it. Worst case scenario, the card would just throttle a bit, it will run at slightly lower frequency.

I wouldn't spend more money (or a significant amount of extra money, let's say more than 10-15$ more) for the 8 GB version instead of the 4 GB version.

 

For 1080p, I really believe 4GB is good enough, but 3 GB is low, you shouldn't buy 3 GB cards in 2019.

 

[trevb0t]

The 1060 3GB is the most powerful on the list. The question is price to performance. 

If as you said, that is less than the RX 570, then it is unquestionably the best value of the list.

 

That said, a 4GB 570 will still deliver a lot if there is a big savings there, and an RX580 would be a step up in price to performance if you can get your hands on one. 

[trevb0t]

4 hours ago, Cheapassgamer said:

You Tell Me

No seriously. Like what games are you planning to play?

 

Because if you're playing point and click adventures, and APU is fine.

[Stefan Payne]

9 hours ago, Cheapassgamer said:

Why Does The Armour Edition From MSI SUCK?

Because their cooling solution is shit, makes the card loud and hot.

 

Something people don't want to believe but is true according to my experience:
VEGA64 is quieter than RX480.

Sapphire Nitro+ vs. Powercolor RX480 Red Devil.

 

9 hours ago, _StrikE_ said:

Its cooling isn't that good, so the card throttles, not working at its full capabilities. As for the 1060 3gb version  people have been saying for since its release that 3 gb isn't enough, that its going to be filled, yet 2019 and its still doing just as good.

 

4 hours ago, trevb0t said:

The 1060 3GB is the most powerful on the list. The question is price to performance. 

That is an outright lie.

Because the 1060/6GiB Could be called 1060ti while the 1060 is the "real" 1060, meaning it is further castrated beside the Memory.

 

3GB: 1152/72/48

6GB: 1280/80/48

Shader, TMU, ROPs

Both have 192bit Memory Interface.

 

As for the more powerful card:
 

AMD RX570 has

2048/128/32 and a 256bit Memory Interface

 

Texture Rate of 1060/3GiB is 123GTexel/s, FP32 Performance is ~4TFlops

Texture Rate of RX570 is 159,2GTexel/s

RX570 FP32 performance is ~5TFlops

Memory Bandwith is 224GB/s for the 570

192,2GB/Sec for the 1060/3GiB

And lets talk about FP16 Performance that seems to get a bit more interesting and important these days:
RX570: same as FP32. On the 1060 however its only ~62GFlops - RX570 has almost 83 times the power at the same clock!!

 

How the heck is the 1060 the "more powerful" card?!

 

 Could we pls stop the Propaganda and look at the Facts?!

 

4 hours ago, trevb0t said:

If as you said, that is less than the RX 570, then it is unquestionably the best value of the list.

Bullshit.

You really need to look at more modern Benchmarks and also the Problem with the VRAM.

I have often somewhere around 5-6GiB VRAM Usage, according to Afterburner or the AMD Panel with the settings I'm playing at.

The 3GiB Tahiti Cards I have are totally useless these days because of the 3GiB VRAM.

 

 

Telling someone to get a 3GiB VRAM Card is shoving him into a knife!
Its crap today...

But you don't seem to care for whatever reason...

 

 

 

4 hours ago, trevb0t said:

That said, a 4GB 570 will still deliver a lot if there is a big savings there, and an RX580 would be a step up in price to performance if you can get your hands on one. 

Even the 570 beats the shit out of the 1060/3GiB because it has less shaders and also the Memory Problem.

 

As stated earlier, AC:Origins or Resident Evil was, when I played it, at the higher end, way over 4GiB.

[Stefan Payne]

1 minute ago, _StrikE_ said:

First and foremost tell me what was a lie about my post?

That the 1060/3GiB is the more powerful card and I've proven that with technical data.

If that isn't better, it is not "more powerful" as it already lacks in "raw power".

 

1 minute ago, _StrikE_ said:

You should stop with the exaggerations, pretty much the 1060 3gb and the RX570 4Gb card are nech at nech, hell ironically in AC Origins (since you mentioned that game) the 1060 3Gb has slightly higher FPS.

Yeah and stuttering and other shit?!
Do you have a Link to prove your claim?

 

Also "neck to neck" is not more powerful. That's a lie. The 570 is more powerful by a mile.

Thus in the Future it is possible that the 570 overtakes the 570 like the 7970GHz Edition battles with the GTX780 instead of the 680 in some games these days - as the raw power of the card sugest.

 

 

So yeah, its wrong to claim that a Card with lower raw power is more powerful.

Especially when it gets beaten in Compute situations easily.

 

 

 

1 minute ago, _StrikE_ said:

Also the cards are based on different technologies, the moment you compared the cuda cores to the stream processors and the rest of the specs directly to each other you failed, that doesn't mean a thing since as i said the technologies used are to different to do a direct comparison by the numbers. 

You're a victim of Marketing Bullshit.

Both are closer than you think in technology. Way closer than 2x0GTX and the 5er were vs. the Radeon HD3000 series.

 

At that time both had really different shader.

Today not so much...

So stop with the Marketing Propaganda shit that should be ignored.

 

 

And the Texturing stuff isn't too different either, though the ROPs are different in what they can and can not do (IIRC the AMD Rops are a bit more powerful but I haven't read up on that stuff in years).

 

1 minute ago, _StrikE_ said:

There's also no way of accurately measure VRAM usage, not to mention you should take into account flushing as well.

Yeah, there is.

If it runs like shit and stutters like shit its not enough VRAM.

And if the FPS drop dramatically as well.

But we know that 3GiB VRAM is already not great with the difference between 3GiB and 6GiB Cards and 4GiB is the bare minimum these days.

Due to consoles, its recommended to have 8 GiB VRAM, if at all possible. And it is possible in this case.

 

So I don't get why you try to force him to the nVIdia card, wich is also known to have a lower expected lifetime, especially know that the "Primary Optimization" is stopped and focused on Touring, not Pascal. So the 570 will beat the 1060 more often in the future - like it was with the Radeon HD7970 and the GTX680.

At the time it was on par with the 7970.

Right now the 7970 beats the shit out of the 680 wich in turn trades blows with the Radeon HD7870, wich is exactly where the raw power of both chips are...

 

7870 and GTX 680 are very similar in Raw Power, so the only conclusion is that it was some "driver Magic"; some might even call it Driver Cheats, that made the 680 faster than the 7870. But now that the drivers on the red side got better and very well optimized, the GTX 680 is closer to the 7870 than it was when it was optimized for.

1 minute ago, _StrikE_ said:

Last but not least at the time of that post the OP gave the impression that the 1060 was a lot more cheaper

Yes, and?!
The 570 has more VRAM, wich you also have to take into account.

As well as the expected usage time of the unit.

Wich is not long with the nVidia Card, as that was traditionally, while it is traditionally rather long for AMD Cards as they still get supported rather well even after all these years.

 

 

[Guest]

If wouldn't play total war the 1050Ti would be good enough for the other gamingneeds

 

[Stefan Payne]

42 minutes ago, _StrikE_ said:

 Here you go, despite the difference in specs they aren't that far apart in most tests: 

Hardware Unboxed, weren't they those people that said that a Booksize PC is shit because you can't add a GPU inside??
And what did they Test?
Some Gameworks infested crap??
Some 7 Year old stuff??

 

42 minutes ago, _StrikE_ said:

Also i take back what i said about i said regarding Odissey, either the uploader mixed the results of the 6gb and 3gb cards or he skewed the results in favor of the 1060, unlike others i'm capable of admitting when i was wrong.

Nobody would ever skew the results in favor of the 1060. That would never happen. Never was it seen that people use Gameworks and other shit to prove that nVidia is better...

Well, yeah, that happens...

 

 

Though you're right about the Armor, that's not a good card but there are also some bad 1060 cards, that's true for everything...

In general, I wouldn't bother with the 1060/3G at all.

Because the Memory is a Problem today.

 

 

 

[Cheapassgamer]

14 hours ago, trevb0t said:

No seriously. Like what games are you planning to play?

 

Because if you're playing point and click adventures, and APU is fine.

I'm trying to play GTA v sottr rottr ASSASSIN'S creed.,forza horizon,GTA IV(REDUX),gta sa (remastered) the division,  battlefield 5,4,1 ,etc 

[Cheapassgamer]

Hey Guys I just Checked AMAZON and the rx 580 8 GB and the gtx 1060 6 GB are of similar price

[LienusLateTips]

18 minutes ago, Cheapassgamer said:

Hey Guys I just Checked AMAZON and the rx 580 8 GB and the gtx 1060 6 GB are of similar price

The hierarchy goes:

1050 ti < RX 570 = GTX 1060 3gb < GTX 1060 6GB = RX 580

 

I'd still say the ARMOR RX 570 is the best value.

[Oalei]

18 minutes ago, Cheapassgamer said:

Hey Guys I just Checked AMAZON and the rx 580 8 GB and the gtx 1060 6 GB are of similar price

Well you can also check the used market if you're interested in any sort of ways. Yeah it supposed to be the same price and performance, but Rx 580 gives 2 free games and its also optimized by the developers 

[Oalei]

Just now, LienusLateTips said:

The hierarchy goes:

1050 ti < RX 570 = GTX 1060 3gb < GTX 1060 6GB = RX 580

 

I'd still say the ARMOR RX 570 is the best value.

Well there's the free game and a lot of things to consider, but i will go Rx 570 all the way

[LienusLateTips]

1 minute ago, Oalei said:

Well there's the free game and a lot of things to consider, but i will go Rx 570 all the way

The RX 570 comes with the free game too, afaik

[Oalei]

Just now, LienusLateTips said:

The RX 570 comes with the free game too, afaik

Yeah I know,  but there's some other things that op's have to handle. 1 example electric bill, probably that's it

[Cheapassgamer]

1 hour ago, LienusLateTips said:

The hierarchy goes:

1050 ti < RX 570 = GTX 1060 3gb < GTX 1060 6GB = RX 580

 

I'd still say the ARMOR RX 570 is the best value.

Is the rx 580 4 GB good?

[Cheapassgamer]

Where would you rate an Rx 560/rx 550?

[LienusLateTips]

9 minutes ago, Cheapassgamer said:

Is the rx 580 4 GB good?

How much?

[Cheapassgamer]

4 hours ago, LienusLateTips said:

How much?

16500 rupees

 

 

Edit:-13500 rs

Edited April 7, 2019 by Cheapassgamer
Sorry ITS AVAILABLE AT 13000 RUPEES

[LienusLateTips]

5 hours ago, Cheapassgamer said:

16500 rupees

 

 

Edit:-13500 rs

Yeah, go for it. Great deal.

 

Also, btw, no need to capitalize anything.

[trevb0t]

On 4/6/2019 at 2:13 PM, Stefan Payne said:

Because their cooling solution is shit, makes the card loud and hot.

 

Something people don't want to believe but is true according to my experience:
VEGA64 is quieter than RX480.

Sapphire Nitro+ vs. Powercolor RX480 Red Devil.

 

 

That is an outright lie.

Because the 1060/6GiB Could be called 1060ti while the 1060 is the "real" 1060, meaning it is further castrated beside the Memory.

 

3GB: 1152/72/48

6GB: 1280/80/48

Shader, TMU, ROPs

Both have 192bit Memory Interface.

 

As for the more powerful card:
 

AMD RX570 has

2048/128/32 and a 256bit Memory Interface

 

Texture Rate of 1060/3GiB is 123GTexel/s, FP32 Performance is ~4TFlops

Texture Rate of RX570 is 159,2GTexel/s

RX570 FP32 performance is ~5TFlops

Memory Bandwith is 224GB/s for the 570

192,2GB/Sec for the 1060/3GiB

And lets talk about FP16 Performance that seems to get a bit more interesting and important these days:
RX570: same as FP32. On the 1060 however its only ~62GFlops - RX570 has almost 83 times the power at the same clock!!

 

How the heck is the 1060 the "more powerful" card?!

 

 Could we pls stop the Propaganda and look at the Facts?!

 

Bullshit.

You really need to look at more modern Benchmarks and also the Problem with the VRAM.

I have often somewhere around 5-6GiB VRAM Usage, according to Afterburner or the AMD Panel with the settings I'm playing at.

The 3GiB Tahiti Cards I have are totally useless these days because of the 3GiB VRAM.

 

 

Telling someone to get a 3GiB VRAM Card is shoving him into a knife!
Its crap today...

But you don't seem to care for whatever reason...

 

 

 

Even the 570 beats the shit out of the 1060/3GiB because it has less shaders and also the Memory Problem.

 

As stated earlier, AC:Origins or Resident Evil was, when I played it, at the higher end, way over 4GiB.

I stand corrected. I've seen a lot of benchmark to indicate that the 580 is where the RX cards actually surpass, (and since I fronted for the 580 on my personal build I'm happy to hear there's some value in longevity there.) The 570 is a great price to performance card, and I'd never argue it!

[trevb0t]

On 4/6/2019 at 10:26 PM, Cheapassgamer said:

I'm trying to play GTA v sottr rottr ASSASSIN'S creed.,forza horizon,GTA IV(REDUX),gta sa (remastered) the division,  battlefield 5,4,1 ,etc 

Nice! I'd venture to say that this isn't really "light," since they are all titles within the last couple years. (GTAV being a little older, but it holds up well.) 

I play most of those titles with my RX 580 8GB, which I bought at a good price new. You could probably find one on the used market for the equivalent of ~$100 USD if you dig deep.