Should i wait for ryzen 3000 series??

[SanketXx]

Hi, i was planning to upgrade this month... Bt i dont have solid information about the ryzen 3000 series... Im planning to buy ryzen 5 2600 with msi b450 gaming pro carbon n 8x2 adatq xpg d41 spectrix 3200 mhz....

 

My current confusion is will i be getting huge performance difference in ryzen 5 3600... If i chose 2600 now... Currently m using fx 6300 with 16 gb ram

 

 

Thank you in advance....

[mariushm]

well if you waited for so long, you can wait a bit more.

Though you should wait at least a couple of weeks AFTER Ryzen 3rd gen is launched, in order to have a wider range of motherboards available and have last minute bios updates and patches available/applied and so on.

So it's probably gonna be around July...

 

[GoldenLag]

if you can wait. then wait. at the very least 2k series will drop in price.

[Tristerin]

4 minutes ago, SanketXx said:

Hi, i was planning to upgrade this month... Bt i dont have solid information about the ryzen 3000 series... Im planning to buy ryzen 5 2600 with msi b450 gaming pro carbon n 8x2 adatq xpg d41 spectrix 3200 mhz....

 

My current confusion is will i be getting huge performance difference in ryzen 5 3600... If i chose 2600 now... Currently m using fx 6300 with 16 gb ram

 

 

Thank you in advance....

Want advice?  I couldn't wait, so I snagged up a new R7 1700 for $136 shipped (can easily resell for $100+) and bought a good enough mobo to support next release should I want to upgrade again. 

[SanketXx]

2 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

Want advice?  I couldn't wait, so I snagged up a new R7 1700 for $136 shipped (can easily resell for $100+) and bought a good enough mobo to support next release should I want to upgrade again. 

Ryzen 2600 performs better than 1700 in gaming... Coz of better core clock and im not planning to upgrade so soon after this... Thats y i was a bit confused with it...

[191x7]

Since it's based on the same architecture, just a smaller manufacturing process and some architectural tweaks, I would say (or rather expect) that the performance increase on the same clock and number of cores won't be a drastic one - what Zen 2 will enable is probably a lower TDP and higher clocks.

 

Feel free to upgrade. Consider the 1600X since it should be a lot cheaper.

[Stormseeker9]

Just wait mate. Either at the time you get a older gen 2700(x) or get a straight new 3000 series cpu from amd.

 

just my two cents 

[Guest]

it depends…. With the games i'm playing the ryzen 2600 is more then enough ( mostly strategy titles ) I am waiting for a the new navi gpu to release and i might even extend my wait untill next year for intels gpu release since i'm planning on something good enough to last me 6 years  

[Dedayog]

40 minutes ago, SanketXx said:

Ryzen 2600 performs better than 1700 in gaming... Coz of better core clock and im not planning to upgrade so soon after this... Thats y i was a bit confused with it...

Do the math, how much better is Ryzen 2nd gen than 1st gen?  DO you think 3rd gen will maintain that increase or be leaps and bounds and a whole new architecture that brings about true AI and Terminators?

 

Yeah.  Upgrade now is fine.

 

Too many people are jerking off over Ryzen 2.  It isn't going to be revolutionary.

[SanketXx]

Well... I play most of the high end games.... N ive recently completed odeyssey.... Ive read about ryzen 3rd gen offering 8 cores on a r5 series chip....

 

Im a 3d artist (character modeler) as well...so that extra two cores might be a good point to wait bt i think waiting period is more than 2 months from now...

 

 N yeah i own a gtx 1060 msi gaming x 6 gb... N m not planning to upgrade my gpu....

[ch3w2oy]

2 hours ago, jstudrawa said:

Do the math, how much better is Ryzen 2nd gen than 1st gen?  DO you think 3rd gen will maintain that increase or be leaps and bounds and a whole new architecture that brings about true AI and Terminators?

 

Yeah.  Upgrade now is fine.

 

Too many people are jerking off over Ryzen 2.  It isn't going to be revolutionary.

No one can do the math. 7nm isn't out yet. 

 

While there is always something better lurking around the corner, I think it's worth it to wait 2 or 3 months. It's really not that long if you have a day job. If you sit around watching porn all day, then yes I would go ahead and upgrade as you will probably drive yourself insane waiting a couple months..

 

If it was 6 months or more I wouldn't wait, but really, what's 3 months?

 

OP will see a worthy upgrade no matter what choice he makes. 

 

And while the leap from 14nm+ to 7nm probably won't be that revolutionary, nor good enough to upgrade from Ryzen 2nd gen, it's damn near worth waiting to find out if it's worth buying over 2nd gen. Even more so when your workload benefits from cores and there's even a small chance we can see 16 core counterparts.

 

People rooting for AMD = jerking off idiots

People spending too much on Intel = highly Intelligent people that can play Fortnite at 5 more FPS.

 

Wonder how you got an 8700k at 5ghz.. It wasn't because of people jerking off over Intel, because we saw what that got us. Nothing. 

 

Go ahead, call me a fanboy.. 

 

Good luck OP. 

[MadmanRB]

11 minutes ago, ch3w2oy said:

No one can do the math. 7nm isn't out yet. 

 

While there is always something better lurking around the corner, I think it's worth it to wait 2 or 3 months. It's really not that long if you have a day job. If you sit around watching porn all day, then yes I would go ahead and upgrade as you will probably drive yourself insane waiting a couple months..

 

If it was 6 months or more I wouldn't wait, but really, what's 3 months?

 

OP will see a worthy upgrade no matter what choice he makes. 

 

And while the leap from 14nm+ to 7nm probably won't be that revolutionary, nor good enough to upgrade from Ryzen 2nd gen, it's damn near worth waiting to find out if it's worth buying over 2nd gen. Even more so when your workload benefits from cores and there's even a small chance we can see 16 core counterparts.

 

People rooting for AMD = jerking off idiots

People spending too much on Intel = highly Intelligent people that can play Fortnite at 5 more FPS.

 

Wonder how you got an 8700k at 5ghz.. It wasn't because of people jerking off over Intel, because we saw what that got us. Nothing. 

 

Go ahead, call me a fanboy.. 

 

Good luck OP. 

People rooting for AMD = jerking off idiots ?

At least i didnt spend like $150 on a overclocking motherboard + $409.99 on a CPU without a cooler only to have Intel change the socket on me and have to spend another $150 on another motherboard and another $409.99 on another CPU.

 

Whos the idiot now?

 

Look in the mirror mate.

[Dedayog]

14 minutes ago, ch3w2oy said:

No one can do the math. 7nm isn't out yet. 

 

While there is always something better lurking around the corner, I think it's worth it to wait 2 or 3 months. It's really not that long if you have a day job. If you sit around watching porn all day, then yes I would go ahead and upgrade as you will probably drive yourself insane waiting a couple months..

 

If it was 6 months or more I wouldn't wait, but really, what's 3 months?

 

OP will see a worthy upgrade no matter what choice he makes. 

 

And while the leap from 14nm+ to 7nm probably won't be that revolutionary, nor good enough to upgrade from Ryzen 2nd gen, it's damn near worth waiting to find out if it's worth buying over 2nd gen. Even more so when your workload benefits from cores and there's even a small chance we can see 16 core counterparts.

 

People rooting for AMD = jerking off idiots

People spending too much on Intel = highly Intelligent people that can play Fortnite at 5 more FPS.

 

Wonder how you got an 8700k at 5ghz.. It wasn't because of people jerking off over Intel, because we saw what that got us. Nothing. 

 

Go ahead, call me a fanboy.. 

 

Good luck OP. 

Why would I call you a fanboy?  Because you have a counter argument that's more than "AMD 4 Life!!!"?  

 

Months ago people were telling people to wait, based on some vapor Cinebench test from AMD.  Thinking that Ryzen 2 was going to DESTROY Intel.  The Savior has returned!!!  

No.  It will be another incremental move like before, is my opinion.  AMD has not yet shown they can produce a product to leapfrog the competition and I doubt Ryzen 2 will be the one to do so.

 

So, root for AMD.  I am.  What I am not doing is being unrealistic in my enthusiasm.  

I also root for Intel, I want both companies to produce products that compete with each other, better for us.

 

If you're one that took AMD's Cinebench as a Second Coming then you're the jerking off fanboy.  You are not, you're reasonable in your expectations it sounds like.

 

Btw, I got an 8700K at 5GHz (not sure why the OC matters) because it was the best gaming CPU available for me and my value system.  I would have purchased AMD's product if it held that title.  Sounds like you got the 9700K for the same reason.

 

[Dedayog]

2 minutes ago, MadmanRB said:

People rooting for AMD = jerking off idiots ?

At least i didnt spend like $150 on a overclocking motherboard + $409.99 on a CPU without a cooler only to have Intel change the socket on me and have to spend another $150 on another motherboard and another $409.99 on another CPU.

 

Whos the idiot now?

 

Look in the mirror mate.

You need to reread what he wrote.  Then understand what I wrote that he responded to.

[MadmanRB]

Still right now AMD is not a bad investment, sure yes currently it doesnt "beat" Intel but it comes very close in performance for dollar.

Me i dont care if AMD does beat intel, undercutting them is still a good strategy and even if Zen 2 fails to meet crazy intel fanboy expectations its still going to be good value for dollar.

But i still think AMD has the better platform right now, we will see what things are like with AM4's successor but it sure looks like AMD is not going to stop anytime soon.

And yes i am rooting for AMD, we need competition, too long intel dominated so seeing competition like this is a good thing for the consumer.

[Dedayog]

4 minutes ago, MadmanRB said:

Still right now AMD is not a bad investment, sure yes currently it doesnt "beat" Intel but it comes very close in performance for dollar.

Me i dont care if AMD does beat intel, undercutting them is still a good strategy and even if Zen 2 fails to meet crazy intel fanboy expectations its still going to be good value for dollar.

But i still think AMD has the better platform right now, we will see what things are like with AM4's successor but it sure looks like AMD is not going to stop anytime soon.

And yes i am rooting for AMD, we need competition, too long intel dominated so seeing competition like this is a good thing for the consumer.

You're right, performance per dollar seems similar.  But if you have a few more of those dollars to spend and want top stuff, you go Intel.

 

Also, the AMD platform is very much better.  The issue is that after Ryzen 2, it will change again.  It can't last long enough to make a real impact on a lot of people.  When I want to upgrade in 3-5 years, I will need a new mobo and RAM too.  When anyone buying Ryzen 1 or 2 needs to upgrade in 3-5 years, they'll need new mobo and RAM too.

 

The platform thing is nice, but realistically does it really help but a few?   Tech growth is tech growth.  Nothing lasts long in this arena. 

[MadmanRB]

Well we really dont know what AMD will do in 2020 however I think its safe to still go with AM4 as you could use the system more long term and be fine.

Both intel and AMD will have to take some big guesses now with DDR5 right around the corner, we dont know if its possible for AMD to keep a Socket AM4 like experience going forward.

Then again they did manage to keep backwards compatibility with AM3 so its not out of the imagination that AMD's next socket may be backwards compatible with AM4 (with caveats of course)

But you know damn well Intel will change the socket again, after all they like changing the socket all the time for the hell of it.

[ch3w2oy]

23 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

 

I can agree with  that. 

 

11 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

You're right, performance per dollar seems similar.  But if you have a few more of those dollars to spend and want top stuff, you go Intel.

 

Also, the AMD platform is very much better.  The issue is that after Ryzen 2, it will change again.  It can't last long enough to make a real impact on a lot of people.  When I want to upgrade in 3-5 years, I will need a new mobo and RAM too.  When anyone buying Ryzen 1 or 2 needs to upgrade in 3-5 years, they'll need new mobo and RAM too.

 

The platform thing is nice, but realistically does it really help but a few?   Tech growth is tech growth.  Nothing lasts long in this arena. 

Helps the lowest of those with budgets, that's about it. I personally like to upgrade motherboards after a few years so it's a moot point with me. 

 

27 minutes ago, MadmanRB said:

People rooting for AMD = jerking off idiots ?

At least i didnt spend like $150 on a overclocking motherboard + $409.99 on a CPU without a cooler only to have Intel change the socket on me and have to spend another $150 on another motherboard and another $409.99 on another CPU.

 

Whos the idiot now?

 

Look in the mirror mate.

Look in my profile you'll see my other build. Also just bought a Radeon VII and another X470 so do a water cooled build, prepping for Zen 2 Don't rush to conclusions, only I'm allowed to do that

 

Long  as anyone buys the best that they can afford (for their workload) there shouldn't be any of this nonsense.

 

I just love what competition does for us, as consumers. 

[Ankerson]

4 hours ago, SanketXx said:

Hi, i was planning to upgrade this month... Bt i dont have solid information about the ryzen 3000 series... Im planning to buy ryzen 5 2600 with msi b450 gaming pro carbon n 8x2 adatq xpg d41 spectrix 3200 mhz....

 

My current confusion is will i be getting huge performance difference in ryzen 5 3600... If i chose 2600 now... Currently m using fx 6300 with 16 gb ram

 

 

Thank you in advance....

 

 

The best thing to do is just wait and see.

 

Nobody really knows at this point what they will do, not really, it's all nothing more than complete BS at this point.

 

And it will be awhile before they are actually available so once they are actually really reviewed by reliable and above board reviewers look at those. And more than one of them to see.

 

Looking at and remembering AMD's track record over the past 25+ years I would take anything that is said about them with a huge grain of salt at the very least.

 

 

[Tristerin]

4 hours ago, SanketXx said:

Ryzen 2600 performs better than 1700 in gaming... Coz of better core clock and im not planning to upgrade so soon after this... Thats y i was a bit confused with it...

By a slight margin ($50 more for 5 more FPS depending on title).  Overclock the 1700 and it wont touch it and be more viable in the future (cores/threads) - my opinion and why I own 2 1700's and elected to skip the Zen+ series altogether.

[szym3k]

6 hours ago, SanketXx said:

Hi, i was planning to upgrade this month... Bt i dont have solid information about the ryzen 3000 series... Im planning to buy ryzen 5 2600 with msi b450 gaming pro carbon n 8x2 adatq xpg d41 spectrix 3200 mhz....

 

My current confusion is will i be getting huge performance difference in ryzen 5 3600... If i chose 2600 now... Currently m using fx 6300 with 16 gb ram

 

 

Thank you in advance....

I was using a Ryzen 5 2600 for a months but last week I decided to upgrade to a R7 2700X and I must say it was well worth the upgrade for me. I mainly game and the difference was noticeable right for the moment I installed it in my system.  Far Cry 5 used to be a stutterfest for me with my R5 2600 but now it runs like butter, same with Shadow of the Tomb Raider.

[SanketXx]

Thank you for ur time gn response guyz..

Its really helpful.. i am actually from India n i just checked out that after the initial release of ryzen 2000 series it took more 2 months to come in India...

Maybe it is going to be the same this time... As it will take around 4-5 months for the launch here.... I dont think i can wait that long....

[SanketXx]

On 4/4/2019 at 9:33 PM, Tristerin said:

By a slight margin ($50 more for 5 more FPS depending on title).  Overclock the 1700 and it wont touch it and be more viable in the future (cores/threads) - my opinion and why I own 2 1700's and elected to skip the Zen+ series altogether.

Hi... Actually one of my friend owns a ryzen 1700x n he suggested me to get a 2600x as it gives 3.7 ghz out of the box.... I can go for 1700 bt i dont know much about overclocking....lol... N will it perfom better than 2600???

[Tristerin]

2 hours ago, SanketXx said:

Hi... Actually one of my friend owns a ryzen 1700x n he suggested me to get a 2600x as it gives 3.7 ghz out of the box.... I can go for 1700 bt i dont know much about overclocking....lol... N will it perfom better than 2600???

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-1700-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-2600/3917vs3955

 

These are the average differences amongst users who have uploaded their results.  Its not FACT, as the CPU will perform better with faster RAM etc.  But a good baseline.

 

Most people say the R5 2600 will give you a few more FPS overall but the Ryzen 7 (my opinion I own 2) is a better deal for more cores and threads.

 

 

[SanketXx]

 

18 hours ago, Tristerin said:

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-1700-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-2600/3917vs3955

 

These are the average differences amongst users who have uploaded their results.  Its not FACT, as the CPU will perform better with faster RAM etc.  But a good baseline.

 

Most people say the R5 2600 will give you a few more FPS overall but the Ryzen 7 (my opinion I own 2) is a better deal for more cores and threads.

 

 

Thank you so much.... really appreciate it....

 

So this is what m planning to upgrade....

Ryzen 7 1700

MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC

Adata XPG D41 Spectrix 3200 MHz 8x2 16gb ram...