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Razer's laptop UEFIs susceptible to malware infections

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A security researcher has announced his findings that all Razer laptops are currently shipping with the Intel Management engine in 'Manufacturing Mode', which means that if malware with administrative privileges infects the OS, it can protect itself from removal by burrowing in the firmware.

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After trying for a month to get this dealt with via HackerOne, I'm bringing this public. All current Razer laptops are shipped in Intel Manufacturing Mode, and have full R/W on the SPI flash. This is a direct repeat of CVE-2018-4251. This is still not fixed.

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Again, this requires that the malware have administrative privileges on the OS. So it's not like it makes users susceptible to getting infected with malware, it just makes infections potentially resilient to OS reinstalls/drive swaps. As The Register notes, CVE-2018-4251 was first observed in Apple devices. So not only is this a security flaw, it's another aspect in which Razer copies Apple.

 

If the UEFI was open source and this presented an opportunity for users to modify their own firmware for good, I would perhaps side with Razer on this, but as-is, it's disappointing negligence from a supposedly premium brand.

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So can I do anything to stop this? Is this a setting I can change on my blade somehow or not?

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21 minutes ago, KE2012 said:

So can I do anything to stop this? Is this a setting I can change on my blade somehow or not?

Although, I just remembered reading about a way to make Intel ME turn off once the OS has booted. It had to do with a 'High assurance platform' bit, which the Tom's Hardware article mentions.

If you're REALLY concerned, you could look into that, but what I can find about it says it's similarly undocumented.

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1 minute ago, Granular said:

Although, I just remembered reading about a way to make Intel ME turn off once the OS has booted. It had to do with a 'High assurance platform' bit, which the Tom's Hardware article mentions.

If you're REALLY concerned, you could look into that, but what I can find about it says it's similarly undocumented.

Cheers. 

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8 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

At what point does a MacBook Pro and a can of black paint becomes the better buy?

never, because the keyboard stops working after a year

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Just now, bcredeur97 said:

never, because the keyboard stops working after a year

That’s not an absolute given, and it beats a machine that might not even make it to a year.

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53 minutes ago, KE2012 said:

So can I do anything to stop this? Is this a setting I can change on my blade somehow or not?

 

32 minutes ago, Granular said:

Although, I just remembered reading about a way to make Intel ME turn off once the OS has booted. It had to do with a 'High assurance platform' bit, which the Tom's Hardware article mentions.

If you're REALLY concerned, you could look into that, but what I can find about it says it's similarly undocumented.

 

The people who found the issue have talked about it before

http://blog.ptsecurity.com/2017/08/disabling-intel-me.html

 

 

basically, you cant disable it, but you can strip out everything not vital.

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22 minutes ago, bcredeur97 said:

never, because the keyboard stops working after a year

I'd take my keyboard not working over having malware burrowed into my EFI.

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25 minutes ago, HarryNyquist said:

I'd take my keyboard not working over having malware burrowed into my EFI.

Exactly. I'm sure there are plenty of other options that have safe EFI. No way I'm recommending Razers at their pricing ?

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1 hour ago, Drak3 said:

At what point does a MacBook Pro and a can of black paint becomes the better buy?

Excuse me have you heard of a Matebook Pro 

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+1 for Razer is shit and all the reviews are bias as they are hand picked models that they only use for a week. Linus showed real results by actually buying a bunch and using them daily. Also go on the razerblade subforums they are plagued machines. Stay away

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That moment when you mistake Razer for Ryzen and almost crap your pants

Ex-EX build: Liquidfy C+... R.I.P.

Ex-build:

Meshify C – sold

Ryzen 5 1600x @4.0 GHz/1.4V – sold

Gigabyte X370 Aorus Gaming K7 – sold

Corsair Vengeance LPX 2x8 GB @3200 Mhz – sold

Alpenfoehn Brocken 3 Black Edition – it's somewhere

Sapphire Vega 56 Pulse – ded

Intel SSD 660p 1TB – sold

be Quiet! Straight Power 11 750w – sold

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42 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Excuse me have you heard of a Matebook Pro 

Yeah. And I don’t trust the company making them.

Come Bloody Angel

Break off your chains

And look what I've found in the dirt.

 

Pale battered body

Seems she was struggling

Something is wrong with this world.

 

Fierce Bloody Angel

The blood is on your hands

Why did you come to this world?

 

Everybody turns to dust.

 

Everybody turns to dust.

 

The blood is on your hands.

 

The blood is on your hands!

 

Pyo.

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11 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Yeah. And I don’t trust the company making them.

In regards to the Chinese government, there's no reason to trust Apple over Huawei. There's plenty to show that they'll compromise their security to be given an opportunity to expand in that market ( banning of VPNs, making their keyboards censor or report(?) Taiwanese flag emoji use).

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> razer

the name was enough to keep me away

 

5 hours ago, Drak3 said:

At what point does a MacBook Pro and a can of black paint becomes the better buy?

when it'll stop cooking itself and have a half decent keyboard, and actually play games at native resolution with a high framerate

One day I will be able to play Monster Hunter Frontier in French/Italian/English on my PC, it's just a matter of time... 4 5 6 7 8 9 years later: It's finally coming!!!

Phones: iPhone 4S/SE | LG V10 | Lumia 920 | Samsung S24 Ultra

Laptops: Macbook Pro 15" (mid-2012) | Compaq Presario V6000

Other: Steam Deck

<>EVs are bad, they kill the planet and remove freedoms too some/<>

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6 hours ago, Drak3 said:

At what point does a MacBook Pro and a can of black paint becomes the better buy?

Always. Razer are just cheap trash. The amount of flex on them is rediculous compared to a MB.

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What extra functions do the Manufacturing mode provide?

Specs: Motherboard: Asus X470-PLUS TUF gaming (Yes I know it's poor but I wasn't informed) RAM: Corsair VENGEANCE® LPX DDR4 3200Mhz CL16-18-18-36 2x8GB

            CPU: Ryzen 9 5900X          Case: Antec P8     PSU: Corsair RM850x                        Cooler: Antec K240 with two Noctura Industrial PPC 3000 PWM

            Drives: Samsung 970 EVO plus 250GB, Micron 1100 2TB, Seagate ST4000DM000/1F2168 GPU: EVGA RTX 2080 ti Black edition

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