2700 Vs 2700x

[rasfsfsd]

Right now there is a $100 different between the two CPU's and I wanted to know if it's worth getting the better one

[Cereal5]

A 2700X is a 2700 with an overclock and a better stock cooler. You can pay the $100 and buy a better cooler if you want to OC, oy you can save $100 and spend that on a cooler so you can OC. Or you can just not OC. Or you can OC on the stock cooler, but don't expect too much.

[NelizMastr]

At that big of a price gap, the 2700 is the better deal. When I got my 2700X the difference was only 30 bucks.

[bowrilla]

Not really if you're willing to overclock the 2700. Both CPUs are identical, the 2700X is just a binned version of the same chiplets. The 2700 will probably run a bit hotter (when overclocked) and the 2700X could be ultimately overclocked about 100-200MHz higher (silicon lottery). That's a measruable difference but usually not a noticeable one. Bear in mind though that the stock coolers do differ and it depends on the airflow in your system if the 2700's stock cooler will be enough for overclocking all cores. 

 

It also ultimately comes down to the resolutions you're playing at. At 1080p the difference will be the greatest, the higher you go, the more important the GPU gets.

[ch3w2oy]

No. I wouldn't. I got my 2600X on Black Friday for the same price as the 2600, and that's the only reason, since I enjoy overclocking  

 

It's only worth it if you really need the extra performance and don't feel like overclocking yourself. Plus with the new CPUs coming out, I don't think it's worth it to buy anything higher than a 2600 maybe 2700 (if you really need the cores right now).

[rasfsfsd]

1 minute ago, Cereal5 said:

A 2700X is a 2700 with an overclock and a better stock cooler. You can pay the $100 and buy a better cooler if you want to OC, oy you can save $100 and spend that on a cooler so you can OC. Or you can just not OC. Or you can OC on the stock cooler, but don't expect too much.

I don't plan on overclocking with it as this is my first build

[RAM555789]

Depends on if you consider a 15% average worth it, however if overclcoked you might as well get the 2700 as they will perform almost the same.

[ch3w2oy]

Just now, rasfsfsd said:

I don't plan on overclocking with it as this is my first build

Why do you need 8 cores?

[rasfsfsd]

2 minutes ago, bowrilla said:

Not really if you're willing to overclock the 2700. Both CPUs are identical, the 2700X is just a binned version of the same chiplets. The 2700 will probably run a bit hotter and the 2700X could be ultimately overclock about 100-200MHz higher. That's a measruable difference but usually not a noticeable one. Bear in mind though that the stock coolers do differ and it depends on the airflow in your system if the 2700's stock cooler will be enough for overclocking all cores. 

 

It also ultimately comes down to the resolutions you're playing at. At 1080p the difference will be the greatest, the higher you go, the more important the GPU gets.

I'm playing at 144hz 1080p

[Pixelot]

Well, that depends. The 2700x has a higher base clock (3.7 as opposed to 3.2). Also IIRC the x series can be overclocked

[rasfsfsd]

1 minute ago, ChewToy! said:

Why do you need 8 cores?

I was told to get it as it will help with gaming and editing

[bowrilla]

Just now, Pixelot said:

Well, that depends. The 2700x has a higher base clock (3.7 as opposed to 3.2). Also IIRC the x series can be overclocked

All Ryzen are unlocked and can be overclocked. 

[rasfsfsd]

3 minutes ago, RAM555789 said:

Depends on if you consider a 15% average worth it, however if overclcoked you might as well get the 2700 as they will perform almost the same.

I most likely won't overclock

[bowrilla]

1 minute ago, rasfsfsd said:

I'm playing at 144hz 1080p

This is where CPU is most important. 200MHz can (!) be noticeable. It depends on the title. 

 

1 minute ago, rasfsfsd said:

I was told to get it as it will help with gaming and editing

Please be more specific on what you're intending to do and what your planned system looks like.

[ch3w2oy]

Just now, rasfsfsd said:

I was told to get it as it will help with gaming and editing

What kind of editing? Video?

 

I would still get the 2600/2600X as there are about to be a lot better options for gaming and editing. No point in spending $300+ right now when there will be a better chip in the same price bracket in a few months.

[rasfsfsd]

1 minute ago, bowrilla said:

This is where CPU is most important. 200MHz can (!) be noticeable. It depends on the title. 

 

Please be more specific on what you're intending to do and what your planned system looks like.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor	$480.62 @ Amazon Australia
CPU Cooler	NZXT - Kraken X52 Rev 2 73.11 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler	Purchased For $0.00
Motherboard	MSI - X470 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard	$208.00 @ Shopping Express
Memory	Corsair - Vengeance RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$178.86 @ Amazon Australia
Storage	Crucial - MX500 250 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$65.00 @ Amazon Australia
Storage	Western Digital - Blue 2 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive	$76.95 @ Shopping Express
Video Card	Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB WINDFORCE Video Card	$799.00 @ Shopping Express
Case	Corsair - Carbide Series 275R (White) ATX Mid Tower Case	Purchased For $0.00
Power Supply	Antec - Earthwatts Gold Pro 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply	Purchased For $0.00
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1808.43
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-18 22:16 AEDT+1100

That's my planned build. Ignore the cooler I haven't picked one yet that one is just there.  I'm using it mainly for gaming and photoshop. I will also be going a light amount of stream and video editing 

[rasfsfsd]

2 minutes ago, ChewToy! said:

What kind of editing? Video?

 

I would still get the 2600/2600X as there are about to be a lot better options for gaming and editing. No point in spending $300+ right now when there will be a better chip in the same price bracket in a few months.

Video and photo

[ch3w2oy]

4 minutes ago, rasfsfsd said:

Video and photo

Do you care about upgrading? If so, even with light video editing, I wouldn't get anything higher than a 2600X (I would get 2600) and then upgrade to Zen 2 this summer (or whenever you can). If you don't care about upgrading and just want a good PC that will be relevant for a few years, then get the 2700X.

[rasfsfsd]

3 minutes ago, ChewToy! said:

Do you care about upgrading? If so, even with light video editing, I wouldn't get anything higher than a 2600X (I would get 2600) and then upgrade to Zen 2 this summer (or whenever you can). If you don't care about upgrading and just want a good PC that will be relevant for a few years, then get the 2700X.

Well how would a 2600 hold up against games like siege and pubg

[bowrilla]

4 minutes ago, ChewToy! said:

No point in spending $300+ right now when there will be a better chip in the same price bracket in a few months.

There will ALWAYS be a better chip in about the same price bracket within a few months time. Always. That's how the tech market works. Zen2 won't be out and available for another 6 months probably. At the time it hits the market, prices will be higher and slowly go down again. That's how it has always been so far unless a manufacturer has production issues (Intel atm). 

 

4 minutes ago, rasfsfsd said:

That's my planned build. Ignore the cooler I haven't picked one yet that one is just there.  I'm using it mainly for gaming and photoshop. I will also be going a light amount of stream and video editing 

Well, at first you should go for 3200 DDR4. Ryzen benefits significantly from that. I'd ditch the 2700X and get a less expensive mainboard. The one you chose is good but a) on the more expensive side and b) if you don't intend on overclocking to the max you don't need that kind of board. A mildly overclocked 2700 on a board that's still good but a bit less expensive will get you about the same performance. 

[bowrilla]

2 minutes ago, rasfsfsd said:

Well how would a 2600 hold up against games like siege and pubg

The 2600 is again technically identical to the 2700 and 2700X with the exception of having one core disabled on each chiplet. Without overclocking it's just a matter of clock speeds. Most games do not benefit from 8c/16t. It will be good for content creation and multitasking.

 

This is ultimately a matter on how serious you are with content creation and streaming and how much of a premium these usecases are worth to you.

[rasfsfsd]

2 minutes ago, bowrilla said:

There will ALWAYS be a better chip in about the same price bracket within a few months time. Always. That's how the tech market works. Zen2 won't be out and available for another 6 months probably. At the time it hits the market, prices will be higher and slowly go down again. That's how it has always been so far unless a manufacturer has production issues (Intel atm). 

 

Well, at first you should go for 3200 DDR4. Ryzen benefits significantly from that. I'd ditch the 2700X and get a less expensive mainboard. The one you chose is good but a) on the more expensive side and b) if you don't intend on overclocking to the max you don't need that kind of board. A mildly overclocked 2700 on a board that's still good but a bit less expensive will get you about the same performance. 

Alright what sort of board and CPU combo do you think that I should go with if I wanted to play and stream pubg and siege

[ch3w2oy]

2 hours ago, bowrilla said:

There will ALWAYS be a better chip in about the same price bracket within a few months time. Always. That's how the tech market works. Zen2 won't be out and available for another 6 months probably. At the time it hits the market, prices will be higher and slowly go down again. That's how it has always been so far unless a manufacturer has production issues (Intel atm). 

Yes, that's quite obvious. It isn't every 6 months that it is actually worth upgrading, though. Zen 2 IS WORTH the upgrade. And it is worth buying and using a cheaper chip now, especially if you don't NEED a 2700X. This is even more important for gaming as Zen 2 will be at least on the same level as Intel, if not better.

 

R7 2700X for $310 USD w/ 8c/16t up to 4.3ghz

- or "POSSIBLY" something similar to - 

R5 3600X for $200-300 w/ 8c/16t up to 5ghz

 

This isn't like 1700X to 2700X.

Edited January 18, 2019 by ChewToy!

[schwellmo92]

I think the 2600X is better for your use case, if you don't plan on overclocking and you have a high refresh rate monitor it could be a bit hit and miss with a plain 2700.

[bowrilla]

Just now, ChewToy! said:

Yes, that's quite obvious. It isn't every 6 months that it is actually worth upgrading, though. Zen 2 IS WORTH the upgrade. And it is worth buying and using a cheaper chip now, especially if you don't NEED a 2700X. This is even more important for gaming as Zen 2 will be at least on the same level as Intel, if not better.

 

R7 2700X for $310 USD w/ 8c/16t up to 4.3ghz

or

R5 3600X for $200-300 w/ 8c/16t up to 5ghz

 

This isn't like 1700X to 2700X.

You're pulling these numbers straight out of the crystal ball. Nobody knows how Zen2 is going to perform compared to Zen+. It will probably be better, yes, the question is by how much. You're only spreading rumours that aren't backed with anything. This is pure speculation.

 

6 minutes ago, rasfsfsd said:

Alright what sort of board and CPU combo do you think that I should go with if I wanted to play and stream pubg and siege

I stand corrected. I missed the point that you're in Australia. The board is a good choice. I just saw 208$ and thought what the heck. PUBG doesn't take much to run well. The question remains: how serious are you with content creation and streaming. I'd probably go with a 2600 or 2600X, up the memory speed and get a M.2 NVMe SSD for the money saved.