Amazon robot sprays workers with bear mace, 24 sent to hospital

[Master Disaster]

Just now, AngryBeaver said:

I have been hit with Mace before. Was actually when I was younger at a protest. My eyes wouldn't stop watering, my nose wouldn't stop running, it burned where it contacted my skin and it made my throat itchy so I coughed a decent bit.

 

That being said the bear mace is MUCH weaker than what law enforcement uses or even what you can normally buy as a civilian.

Chemical burns would be very very very unlikely. Irritation yes, burns no. Yes, you would definitely be coughing your ass off in this stuff, but covering your face with say your shirt and getting to fresh air would solve that problem.

 

They said this can was punctured and not that it exploded. If it exploded that would be a cause of critical injury if shrapnel was present.

 

Things like asthma or an allergic reaction could cause issues. I think an allergic reaction would be the most serious. Then again any emergency response vehicle should have an epi-pen and/or a nebulizer.

 

I just think someone being in "critical" condition from this is highly unlikely.

Until you show me your medical certificate im just going to ignore everything else you say because quite frankly, you have no idea what your talking about.

[Syntaxvgm]

4 minutes ago, AngryBeaver said:

I have been hit with Mace before. Was actually when I was younger at a protest. My eyes wouldn't stop watering, my nose wouldn't stop running, it burned where it contacted my skin and it made my throat itchy so I coughed a decent bit.

 

That being said the bear mace is MUCH weaker than what law enforcement uses or even what you can normally buy as a civilian.

Chemical burns would be very very very unlikely. Irritation yes, burns no. Yes, you would definitely be coughing your ass off in this stuff, but covering your face with say your shirt and getting to fresh air would solve that problem.

 

They said this can was punctured and not that it exploded. If it exploded that would be a cause of critical injury if shrapnel was present.

 

Things like asthma or an allergic reaction could cause issues. I think an allergic reaction would be the most serious. Then again any emergency response vehicle should have an epi-pen and/or a nebulizer.

 

I just think someone being in "critical" condition from this is highly unlikely.

you got hit for a second likely, and you could breathe normal air after that, aside from what what on you causing you to breathe a little more in. This filled the air. They probably couldn't get a mace free breath. 
Imagine taking that mace and just huffing it. 
And no, this is comparable. It's the same ingredient in lower concentration. The goal of bear mace is to shoot very far, and it comes in much bigger cans. That's why it filled the air and caused the whole building to need to be aired out. I don't think it's about skin irritation, I think it's seconds or minutes of breathing in nothing but the mace. 

[AngryBeaver]

1 minute ago, Master Disaster said:

Until you show me your medical certificate im just going to ignore everything else you say because quite frankly, you have no idea what your talking about.

I am not a medical major. The best I have I can show is a First Responder Cert I got when I worked in physical labor years and years ago.

 

Also people are sent to the hospital when maced all the time for a few reasons. First it is protocol in most situations. Second a good deal of these people are hit with much more potent military grade mace. Either way if you are maced and the police are informed an ambulance will normally be sent as well. This is just procedure and doesn't mean it is THAT bad, it just means they do it as a way to prevent a lawsuit.

 

 

[AngryBeaver]

6 minutes ago, Syntaxvgm said:

you got hit for a second likely, and you could breathe normal air after that, aside from what what on you causing you to breathe a little more in. This filled the air. They probably couldn't get a mace free breath. 
Imagine taking that mace and just huffing it. 
And no, this is comparable. It's the same ingredient in lower concentration. The goal of bear mace is to shoot very far, and it comes in much bigger cans. That's why it filled the air and caused the whole building to need to be aired out. I don't think it's about skin irritation, I think it's seconds or minutes of breathing in nothing but the mace. 

You know if these workers weren't ganging up on the robot it might not have been forced in to this action. I mean 54 people harassing one robot worker. IMO they got what they deserved... I just can't believe how many people think their behavior is by any means acceptable.

[Syntaxvgm]

16 minutes ago, AngryBeaver said:

I am not a medical major. The best I have I can show is a First Responder Cert I got when I worked in physical labor years and years ago.

 

Also people are sent to the hospital when maced all the time for a few reasons. First it is protocol in most situations. Second a good deal of these people are hit with much more potent military grade mace. Either way if you are maced and the police are informed an ambulance will normally be sent as well. This is just procedure and doesn't mean it is THAT bad, it just means they do it as a way to prevent a lawsuit.

 

 

I cannot stress the important part isn't the potency, it's how airborne it became with a large can of it. I'd much rather be sprayed with bear mace, yes, but I wouldn't want to have a can explode on me. Now if I was asthmatic...

there are documented deaths of people in police custody from excessive pepper spray for this reason 

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/195739.pdf

 

edit

I read now that the critical person is breathing through a tube. It may be allergic or something causing their airways to close. 

[Syntaxvgm]

2 minutes ago, AngryBeaver said:

You know if these workers weren't ganging up on the robot it might not have been forced in to this action. I mean 54 people harassing one robot worker. IMO they got what they deserved... I just can't believe how many people think their behavior is by any means acceptable.

It's all self defense really. What better weapon for a robot with no lungs to use? 

[pas008]

i'm trying to understand how this is tech news?

 

workplace accidents always happen with robots and automation

 

anything combustible or holding high pressurized items shouldnt be near these in first place

 

 

[Syntaxvgm]

2 minutes ago, pas008 said:

i'm trying to understand how this is tech news?

 

workplace accidents always happen with robots and automation

 

anything combustible or holding high pressurized items shouldnt be near these in first place

 

 

yah but if I word the title like I did and a robot did it it's tech news. 

[pas008]

1 minute ago, Syntaxvgm said:

yah but if I word the title like I did and a robot did it it's tech news. 

did it go rogue? and did this on its own?

or just a lack of policy?

like watching my work's robot welders in its arms reach?

duh shit is going to happen eventually, odds keep racking up after awhile of not having safety provisions in

[Velcade]

Quote of the year right here...

 

"Amazon's automated robots put humans in life-threatening danger today, the effects of which could be catastrophic and the long-term effects for 80 plus workers are unknown," union president Stuart Appelbaum

[Syntaxvgm]

17 minutes ago, Velcade said:

Quote of the year right here...

 

"Amazon's automated robots put humans in life-threatening danger today, the effects of which could be catastrophic and the long-term effects for 80 plus workers are unknown," union president Stuart Appelbaum

yah fuck how amazon treats its workers but come on 

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"Amazon's automated robots put humans in life-threatening danger today, the effects of which could be catastrophic and the long-term effects for 80 plus workers are unknown," union president Stuart Appelbaum said in a statement. "The richest company in the world cannot continue to be let off the hook for putting hard working people's lives at risk. Our union will not back down until Amazon is held accountable for these and so many more dangerous labor practices."

Like come on ever seen someone get blindsided by a forklift carrying metal parts? 
Fuck I worked at a place on the first day they gave me the controls to like a 10 ton crane swinging on a cable. Supervision maybe, if the other guy I worked with in my room wasn't grabbing a bite from his lunch box. 

 

was like this, but with a  table sized clamp at the bottom for me to move a metal table of stuff from a laser cutter, all in a confined space with said crane. So a free swinging 10x4 foot thing that I had to guide with my hands onto another metal surface, and remember not to lose fingers. No training. That place was really not that dangerous compared to some. 

Oh and the controls were labeled North, west, east, south. That actually throws you when you move around- some places use colors and paint colors. 

They have a shitty job and get shitty treatment, but it's not dangerous. 

[AngryBeaver]

I think we should enlist a few hundred of these robots to roam the planet and look for people doing things like the tide pod challenge and promptly end them. This could just be the first step in cleaning up the worlds gene pool.

[Syntaxvgm]

Just now, AngryBeaver said:

I think we should enlist a few hundred of these robots to roam the planet and look for people doing things like the tide pod challenge and promptly end them. This could just be the first step in cleaning up the worlds gene pool.

I think it needs a taser to, tase mace combo. 

[AngryBeaver]

Just now, Syntaxvgm said:

I think it needs a taser to, tase mace combo. 

I was thinking more along the lines of a machete.

[Syntaxvgm]

Just now, AngryBeaver said:

I was thinking more along the lines of a machete.

Rwandan Roomba 

[Drak3]

1 hour ago, AngryBeaver said:

If you can't stand to be hit with a can of mace you probably shouldn't leave your house.... like ever.

If you can't stand to be non fatally shot with a .45, you probably shouldn't leave your house either.

 

 

If we roll with your logic.

[ScratchCat]

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The fulfillment center was given the all clear by Wednesday evening.

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Twenty-four Amazon workers in New Jersey have been hospitalized after a robot accidentally tore a can of bear repellent spray in a warehouse, officials said.

Fulfillment ~ Enrichment

Bear spray ~ Neurotoxin

 

[AngryBeaver]

1 minute ago, Drak3 said:

If you can't stand to be non fatally shot with a .45, you probably shouldn't leave your house either.

 

 

If we roll with your logic.

Wouldn't say they are exactly comparable, but if you go first I will be right behind you.

[Drak3]

Just now, AngryBeaver said:

Wouldn't say they are exactly comparable

Sure they are. Both are non fatal methods of incapacitating something.

[AngryBeaver]

1 minute ago, Drak3 said:

Sure they are. Both are non fatal methods of incapacitating something.

I think if I got shot non-fatally the fight or flight response would be strong... and I don't think I've ever been a flight type. So it would probably just piss me off.

[Drak3]

1 minute ago, AngryBeaver said:

I think if I got shot non-fatally the fight or flight response would be strong... and I don't think I've ever been a flight type. So it would probably just piss me off.

Well you never know until you test it.

[Velcade]

13 minutes ago, AngryBeaver said:

I think we should enlist a few hundred of these robots to roam the planet and look for people doing things like the tide pod challenge and promptly end them release bear mace. This could just be the first step in cleaning up the worlds gene pool.

FTFY

[AngryBeaver]

Just now, Drak3 said:

Well you never know until you test it.

Like I said i'll be right behind you.

[Drak3]

Just now, AngryBeaver said:

Like I said i'll be right behind you.

I'm not calling people pussies for going to the hospital after being sprayed by a chemical designed to deter bear attacks.

[AngryBeaver]

Just now, Drak3 said:

I'm not calling people pussies for going to the hospital after being sprayed by a chemical designed to deter bear attacks.

I wasn't aware that I did that either. As I rather enjoy that part of the anatomy, I don't know why I would go around calling other people that. Doesn't seem like much of an insult to me.