Better overclock with better cooling?

[ch3w2oy]

I just ordered a Corsair h150i pro, for looks more than anything. But I'm wondering if I can overclock higher with it on my 2600x? When I try to get it stable over 4.15 my computer freezes/crashes. This is with stock cooler..

 

I think my Gigabyte Gaming 5 motherboard is also the root of the problem as I think I don't have much control over the cpu voltage. 

 

Im running

2600x

X470 Gaming 5

Vega 56 strix

3333MHz c14 optimized with ryzen calculator

970 Evo

Evga 650 G3 Gold

 

Thoughts? 

[DocSwag]

You might be able to go a little higher but ryzen 2 tends to refuse to go above 4.2 ish on standard cooling so I doubt you'd see a big difference

[Princess Luna]

Unlikely, Ryzen+ really tops at 4.2ghz with rare cases of 4.3ghz with binned chips.

 

This happens because temperatures are not the main deficiency with the architecture, but the silicon itself.

[Jurrunio]

in theory yes it will do something good, but in reality that 'good' is tiny.

[ch3w2oy]

4 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

You might be able to go a little higher but ryzen 2 tends to refuse to go above 4.2 ish on standard cooling so I doubt you'd see a big difference

Will it run better (regular w/out an OC) with the AIO?

 

2 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Unlikely, Ryzen+ really tops at 4.2ghz with rare cases of 4.3ghz with binned chips.

 

This happens because temperatures are not the main deficiency with the architecture, but the silicon itself.

4.2 Stable would be awesome, for me. It's already running extremely well with the RAM I have in it. The RAM on userbenchmark says 124% is "great" and I have it close to 130%.

 

I don't feel like it's doing as much as it should when I don't have an overclock applied. My CB score w/out overclock is around 1228, w/overclock around 1440. Am I putting too much thought into it, is that performance bump needed or just leave it stock with the AIO? I'll do some testing after it gets here but I kind of want the most I can get out of it..

[Princess Luna]

11 minutes ago, tomswife said:

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I mean... you already paid for this overclock performance, so go for it, if temps are low and voltages are under control you have nothing to lose any more just performance to win.

[ch3w2oy]

12 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

I mean... you already paid for this overclock performance, so go for it, if temps are low and voltages are under control you have nothing to lose any more just performance to win.

True. I pretty much bought it so I'm set for whatever ryzen 2 holds. I held off the 2700x because I'm hoping for a miracle from AMD, as long as it's worthwhile I will indeed be upgrading. 

[DocSwag]

33 minutes ago, tomswife said:

Will it run better (regular w/out an OC) with the AIO?

 

Yeah it should run cooler, quieter, and perhaps with a bit lower voltage as well.

[ch3w2oy]

1 hour ago, Princess Cadence said:

I mean... you already paid for this overclock performance, so go for it, if temps are low and voltages are under control you have nothing to lose any more just performance to win.

 

1 hour ago, DocSwag said:

Yeah it should run cooler, quieter, and perhaps with a bit lower voltage as well.

Should I mount the 360 rad on the top of my case or the front? I want it pushing air into the case and I have the Entho Pro M? Does it matter or just preference? Since the motherboard I have (Gaming 5 by Gigabyte) is knows for shitty vrms, would it make more sense to mount the rad in the front and put my 140mm fans directly above my motherboard or not gonna notice a difference?

[nick name]

XFR/PBO will perform better with that 360 AIO and you should be able to get a little more overclock out of it.  On my 2700X -- the stock cooler got it to 4.175GHz, but it can get up to 4.3GHz with my current 360 AIO.  And it will go higher when the weather is cold.  

[ch3w2oy]

3 minutes ago, nick name said:

XFR/PBO will perform better with that 360 AIO and you should be able to get a little more overclock out of it.  On my 2700X -- the stock cooler got it to 4.175GHz, but it can get up to 4.3GHz with my current 360 AIO.  And it will go higher when the weather is cold.  

Sweet, thanks for the reply! Do you leave it running XFR and PBO or do you overclock?

[nick name]

Just now, tomswife said:

Sweet, thanks for the reply! Do you leave it running XFR and PBO or do you overclock?

Well I have an ASUS X470 ROG board which have Performance Enhancers in BIOS that effectively "overclock" PBO/XFR.  It increases the multiplier slightly, but most importantly it prevents the CPU from downclocking while under load.  So if you start a run of Prime95 at 4.1GHz it will finish the run at 4.1GHz whereas plain XFR/PBO will start at something like 4.0GHz and eventually reduce its speed as the run progresses and will probably end up around 3.8~9GHz.  

[ch3w2oy]

2 minutes ago, nick name said:

Well I have an ASUS X470 ROG board which have Performance Enhancers in BIOS that effectively "overclock" PBO/XFR.  It increases the multiplier slightly, but most importantly it prevents the CPU from downclocking while under load.  So if you start a run of Prime95 at 4.1GHz it will finish the run at 4.1GHz whereas plain XFR/PBO will start at something like 4.0GHz and eventually reduce its speed as the run progresses and will probably end up around 3.8~9GHz.  

So with my setup I should probably just get the highest all core OC I can, right? I don't think I can increase those functions on my board.

[nick name]

Just now, tomswife said:

So with my setup I should probably just still to the highest all core OC I can, right? I don't think I can increase those functions on my board.

I normally only recommend overclocking a 2600 or 2700.  If you can utilize XFR/PBO then that can be beneficial if your top speeds are higher than what you can achieve with a manual overclock.  However, if your CPU doesn't reach very high speeds in single/fewer core loads then I would probably encourage overclocking it to 4.2GHz or higher.  It's really gonna be something you decide when you get your AIO to see if a single speed is better than varying speeds for different workloads.  

[ch3w2oy]

Just now, nick name said:

I normally only recommend overclocking a 2600 or 2700.  If you can utilize XFR/PBO then that can be beneficial if your top speeds are higher than what you can achieve with a manual overclock.  However, if your CPU doesn't reach very high speeds in single/fewer core loads then I would probably encourage overclocking it to 4.2GHz or higher.  It's really gonna be something you decide when you get your AIO to see if a single speed is better than varying speeds for different workloads.  

Fair enough. Is there a program that I can record the cpu speeds so that I can draw a conclusion rather than monitoring it while I'm using it?

 

Also, what's your take on this:

 

18 minutes ago, tomswife said:

 

Should I mount the 360 rad on the top of my case or the front? I want it pushing air into the case and I have the Entho Pro M? Does it matter or just preference? Since the motherboard I have (Gaming 5 by Gigabyte) is knows for shitty vrms, would it make more sense to mount the rad in the front and put my 140mm fans directly above my motherboard or not gonna notice a difference?

 

[nick name]

1 minute ago, tomswife said:

Fair enough. Is there a program that I can record the cpu speeds so that I can draw a conclusion rather than monitoring it while I'm using it?

 

Also, what's your take on this:

 

 

If you use HWiNFO you can close the window and it will remain running, but you'll only see Current, Minimum, Maximum, and Average.  

 

Also, I would mount that radiator at the top of the case and keep your fans on the front.  Putting the rad on the front will warm the air that it brings into the case.  But I say this assuming your GPU is air cooled so I would imagine feeding it with air that's been warmed by your radiator will diminish its performance moreso than your VRMs would suffer with the radiator mounted at the top of the case.  

[xg32]

2 hours ago, tomswife said:

I just ordered a Corsair h150i pro, for looks more than anything. But I'm wondering if I can overclock higher with it on my 2600x? When I try to get it stable over 4.15 my computer freezes/crashes. This is with stock cooler..

 

I think my Gigabyte Gaming 5 motherboard is also the root of the problem as I think I don't have much control over the cpu voltage. 

 

Im running

2600x

X470 Gaming 5

Vega 56 strix

3333MHz c14 optimized with ryzen calculator

970 Evo

Evga 650 G3 Gold

 

Thoughts? 

u should be able to hit 4.2, gl. make sure the vrm stays cool with an AIO.

[DocSwag]

3 hours ago, tomswife said:

 

Should I mount the 360 rad on the top of my case or the front? I want it pushing air into the case and I have the Entho Pro M? Does it matter or just preference? Since the motherboard I have (Gaming 5 by Gigabyte) is knows for shitty vrms, would it make more sense to mount the rad in the front and put my 140mm fans directly above my motherboard or not gonna notice a difference?

Usually if you're using it for intake I would put it at the front.

[ch3w2oy]

49 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

Usually if you're using it for intake I would put it at the front.

I think I'm doing intake on the top and front with only one 140 as exhaust, the entire back of the case is perforated/mesh so I don't think it will have a problem pushing air through. If it becomes an issue, I'll just flip the top fan towards the back so there two exhaust, both at the rear.

[nick name]

25 minutes ago, tomswife said:

I think I'm doing intake on the top and front with only one 140 as exhaust, the entire back of the case is perforated/mesh so I don't think it will have a problem pushing air through. If it becomes an issue, I'll just flip the top fan towards the back so there two exhaust, both at the rear.

You could also get another fan.  

[ch3w2oy]

24 minutes ago, nick name said:

You could also get another fan.  

I ordered 2 more 140s with the aio. The case specs online says it can fit 2x140mm or 3x120mm in front and on top. I went with 140s since that's what I already have. Still thinking about how to lay it out. I could do 2x140s in front of rad in the front with the 3x120s behind rad. Then I'm short one fan lol. Or I could do the rad with 3x120s at the top and no 140s, and put the 2x140s in the front, keep the one in the rear and then I have one extra.. I like the push/pull idea with rad in the front but then I need another 140 for the top which I can get later..