Recommendations fo a new build?

[Matrixunloaded]

I am planning on building a new system. I am not a heavy gamer but will be doing streaming and post-production 4K film editing, modest overclocking along with just tinkering with it with new components from time to time. I would like to choose components that will age well for the MB and CPU. I would like it to be on the “cutting edge” rather than the “bleeding edge” in cost ($2K-3.5K) My personal biases are toward super quiet systems, MSI motherboards, Intel CPU and non-water cooled systems. Here’s what I am looking at so far.

1. CPU. 8600k, 8700k, 9600k or 9700k. My concern with 9xxx is the absence of hyperthreading, which some of my applications use heavily.

2. Motherboard. MSI brand Z370 or Z390 and which model

3. Power supply. Seasonic?

4. Case. Mid or full tower Quiet. Brand?

5. SSD. M.2 Samsung NMVe?

6. DDR4. 16 or 32GB. speed?

7. Graphics card. TBD

 

Any thoughts appreciated! Thanks.

[LukeSavenije]

1) what about ryzen? The 8600k and 9600k are not that different

2) z370 if you can find a good deal on it, it isn't really that different, exept for some high end boards. I personally use the z370 gaming pro carbon ac for my 8600k

3) never shop by brand, I recommend looking into the psu tier list and select at least a tier 3/c.

4) be quiet has some great cases for that

5) for scratch disks m.2 pcie is great, otherwise a sata

6) 2666+ for intel, 3000+ for amd

7) depends on the programs and games, 1070 ti is good for the price

 

Anything else?

[SupaKomputa]

1. Ryzen is more suited for your need, best bang for the buck, you'll need the extra cores.

2. go ryzen with a X470 chipset.

3. Anything that is 80+ from reputable brand.

4. For me mAtx is the best form factor, Full ATX is just waste of space.

5. M.2 Nvme Samsung 960 and up.

6. If you edit long clips i suggest 32gb, but if small clips 16gb enough, basically for your use case it really depends on your workload. 2666mhz no problem.

7. For 3K i would maximize the gpu to 1080 at least. Or get the new 2070.

[maartendc]

1 hour ago, Matrixunloaded said:

I am planning on building a new system. I am not a heavy gamer but will be doing streaming and post-production 4K film editing, modest overclocking along with just tinkering with it with new components from time to time. I would like to choose components that will age well for the MB and CPU. I would like it to be on the “cutting edge” rather than the “bleeding edge” in cost ($2K-3.5K) My personal biases are toward super quiet systems, MSI motherboards, Intel CPU and non-water cooled systems. Here’s what I am looking at so far.

1. CPU. 8600k, 8700k, 9600k or 9700k. My concern with 9xxx is the absence of hyperthreading, which some of my applications use heavily.

2. Motherboard. MSI brand Z370 or Z390 and which model

3. Power supply. Seasonic?

4. Case. Mid or full tower Quiet. Brand?

5. SSD. M.2 Samsung NMVe?

6. DDR4. 16 or 32GB. speed?

7. Graphics card. TBD

 

Any thoughts appreciated! Thanks.

Given your quite large budget and heavy workstation usage: Something like this:

 

- CPU: You are going to do heavy workstation workloads. Benefits from many cores. Forget Intel, perior. Threadripper offers amazing value right now, the 1950X offers 16 cores, yes 16 CORES! for 450$. No question. Ryzen 2700X system would be fine too, but since you want to be on the "cutting edge", threadripper is where it is at. You can even go more expensive and get a 32-core CPU, but this might be overkill.

- X399 Chipset Motherboard to match. Asus makes good motherboards usually. You can do some research.

- Power Supply: if quietness is important, Be Quiet makes really good PSU's. The one I chose is 80+ Platinum. 650W should be plenty. It will run without the fan on at low usage.

- Case: Personal choice. Fractal Design Define R6 is a great case and looks good. Be quiet again makes some great quiet cases with noise dampening foam, but airflow is sometimes a bit limited in those.

- SSD: Samsung Pro series is really good and fast, at least 1TB because you will be editing from it, you need a lot of space with fast access. M.2 NVME PCIe.

- HHD: Add in an extra large drive for some storage space.

- RAM: At least 32GB for video editing I would say. DDR4 3200 Mhz or faster. Check the Memory QVL list of the motherboard in question, but G.Skill Trident Z is excellent memory.

- Graphics card: EDIT: Sorry I read you plan on streaming and gaming... Throw in a GTX 1080Ti or 2080.

- CPU Cooler: Corsair makes good all-in-one liquid coolers, like the H100. This would be nice and quiet. If you prefer, there are also some good quiet air coolers, but make sure it is Threadripper compatible. Be Quiet is an excellent brand again for Air coolers, like their Dark Rock Pro series. They have the " Be Quiet! Dark Rock Pro TR4 " for threadripper CPU's, will be sure to run cool and quiet.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Threadripper 1950X 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor  ($449.99 @ Newegg Business)
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H100i v2 70.69 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($159.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME X399-A EATX TR4 Motherboard  ($299.97 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($269.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 970 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($377.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda Pro 4 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($161.26 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6 GB GAMING Video Card  ($249.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design - Define R6 Blackout TG ATX Mid Tower Case  ($149.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: be quiet! - Dark Power Pro 11 650 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($138.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $2258.06
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-27 16:37 EST-0500

[xg32]

3 hours ago, Matrixunloaded said:

I am planning on building a new system. I am not a heavy gamer but will be doing streaming and post-production 4K film editing, modest overclocking along with just tinkering with it with new components from time to time. I would like to choose components that will age well for the MB and CPU. I would like it to be on the “cutting edge” rather than the “bleeding edge” in cost ($2K-3.5K) My personal biases are toward super quiet systems, MSI motherboards, Intel CPU and non-water cooled systems. Here’s what I am looking at so far.

1. CPU. 8600k, 8700k, 9600k or 9700k. My concern with 9xxx is the absence of hyperthreading, which some of my applications use heavily.

2. Motherboard. MSI brand Z370 or Z390 and which model

3. Power supply. Seasonic?

4. Case. Mid or full tower Quiet. Brand?

5. SSD. M.2 Samsung NMVe?

6. DDR4. 16 or 32GB. speed?

7. Graphics card. TBD

 

Any thoughts appreciated! Thanks.

9900k

z390 aorus master,

psu=the g2 or equvilant that's on sale on newegg, 1000-1300w was a steal on cyber monday, not sure about now.

case, ur choice

samsung nvme, 1 for boot, 1 for games/editing writes (nvme excels at this)

16gb ddr 3600-4266 b-die

gtx 2080 ti.

 

or you can build a slightly weaker 2700x system and get a predator x27 with a gtx 2070 that'll still fit inside the budget, that is if you are open to buying a monitor, if not, the first build should cost around 3k. and can run 1440p 144hz or 4k/98hz.

[ch3w2oy]

1 hour ago, maartendc said:

Given your quite large budget and heavy workstation usage: Something like this:

 

- CPU: You are going to do heavy workstation workloads. Benefits from many cores. Forget Intel, perior. Threadripper offers amazing value right now, the 1950X offers 16 cores, yes 16 CORES! for 450$. No question. Ryzen 2700X system would be fine too, but since you want to be on the "cutting edge", threadripper is where it is at. You can even go more expensive and get a 32-core CPU, but this might be overkill.

- X399 Chipset Motherboard to match. Asus makes good motherboards usually. You can do some research.

- Power Supply: if quietness is important, Be Quiet makes really good PSU's. The one I chose is 80+ Platinum. 650W should be plenty. It will run without the fan on at low usage.

- Case: Personal choice. Fractal Design Define R6 is a great case and looks good. Be quiet again makes some great quiet cases with noise dampening foam, but airflow is sometimes a bit limited in those.

- SSD: Samsung Pro series is really good and fast, at least 1TB because you will be editing from it, you need a lot of space with fast access. M.2 NVME PCIe.

- HHD: Add in an extra large drive for some storage space.

- RAM: At least 32GB for video editing I would say. DDR4 3200 Mhz or faster. Check the Memory QVL list of the motherboard in question, but G.Skill Trident Z is excellent memory.

- Graphics card: EDIT: Sorry I read you plan on streaming and gaming... Throw in a GTX 1080Ti or 2080.

- CPU Cooler: Corsair makes good all-in-one liquid coolers, like the H100. This would be nice and quiet. If you prefer, there are also some good quiet air coolers, but make sure it is Threadripper compatible. Be Quiet is an excellent brand again for Air coolers, like their Dark Rock Pro series. They have the " Be Quiet! Dark Rock Pro TR4 " for threadripper CPU's, will be sure to run cool and quiet.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Threadripper 1950X 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor  ($449.99 @ Newegg Business)
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H100i v2 70.69 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($159.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME X399-A EATX TR4 Motherboard  ($299.97 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($269.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 970 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($377.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda Pro 4 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($161.26 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6 GB GAMING Video Card  ($249.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design - Define R6 Blackout TG ATX Mid Tower Case  ($149.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: be quiet! - Dark Power Pro 11 650 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($138.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $2258.06
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-27 16:37 EST-0500

^^ this guy got it perfect. I bought 3200 c14 memory, though. Whether it's important anymore or not, idk, I wasnt chancing performance, though. 

[maartendc]

15 hours ago, tomswife said:

^^ this guy got it perfect. I bought 3200 c14 memory, though. Whether it's important anymore or not, idk, I wasnt chancing performance, though. 

If your primary use is mainly gaming and streaming, and the editing is just secondary, I would go with a Ryzen 2700X Build, and put a faster GPU in it, something like the 2070 or better (GPU's are very expensive now sadly, and the 2080 and 2080Ti just don't offer good value).

 

Although this build is barely cheaper than the previous one I proposed. It comes to about $1850 with a 2070, while the previous build comes to $2420 with the GTX 2070 listed below. The Threadripper build is definitely more "cutting edge" and a much better workstation PC. The Ryzen 2700X system below is more of a high-end gaming rig that can also serve as a secondary editing workstation. 8 cores will be fine for video editing.

 

It just depends what you see as the primary use of your PC...and your budget. Workstation or Gaming rig? Both systems will do either task well enough, and both systems would be "future proof" for the next 4 years at least.

 

HIGH END GAMING RIG

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor	$319.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler	be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler	$84.99 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard	Asus - Prime X470-Pro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$169.89 @ B&H
Memory	G.Skill - Trident Z 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$229.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Samsung - 860 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$127.99 @ B&H
Storage	Toshiba - X300 4 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$112.61 @ Amazon
Video Card	EVGA - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB XC ULTRA GAMING Video Card	$549.99 @ Walmart
Case	Fractal Design - Define S2 Black – TG ATX Mid Tower Case	$119.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply	be quiet! - Dark Power Pro 11 650 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$138.99 @ SuperBiiz
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1854.43
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-28 09:40 EST-0500

 

EDIT: Here is a revised Threadripper build recommendation with a silent Air Cooler and the RTX 2070:

 

WORKSTATION BUILD

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Threadripper 1950X 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor  ($449.99 @ Newegg Business)
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-U9 TR4-SP3 46.44 CFM CPU Cooler  ($69.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME X399-A EATX TR4 Motherboard  ($299.87 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($229.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Pro 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($284.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda Pro 4 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($161.26 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB XC ULTRA GAMING Video Card  ($549.99 @ Walmart)
Case: Fractal Design - Define R6 Blackout TG ATX Mid Tower Case  ($198.18 @ Walmart)
Power Supply: be quiet! - DARK POWER PRO 11 750 W 80+ Platinum Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($175.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $2420.16
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-28 09:50 EST-0500

[Matrixunloaded]

On 11/28/2018 at 8:44 AM, maartendc said:

If your primary use is mainly gaming and streaming, and the editing is just secondary, I would go with a Ryzen 2700X Build, and put a faster GPU in it, something like the 2070 or better (GPU's are very expensive now sadly, and the 2080 and 2080Ti just don't offer good value).

 

Although this build is barely cheaper than the previous one I proposed. It comes to about $1850 with a 2070, while the previous build comes to $2420 with the GTX 2070 listed below. The Threadripper build is definitely more "cutting edge" and a much better workstation PC. The Ryzen 2700X system below is more of a high-end gaming rig that can also serve as a secondary editing workstation. 8 cores will be fine for video editing.

 

It just depends what you see as the primary use of your PC...and your budget. Workstation or Gaming rig? Both systems will do either task well enough, and both systems would be "future proof" for the next 4 years at least.

 

HIGH END GAMING RIG

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor	$319.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler	be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler	$84.99 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard	Asus - Prime X470-Pro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$169.89 @ B&H
Memory	G.Skill - Trident Z 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$229.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Samsung - 860 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$127.99 @ B&H
Storage	Toshiba - X300 4 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$112.61 @ Amazon
Video Card	EVGA - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB XC ULTRA GAMING Video Card	$549.99 @ Walmart
Case	Fractal Design - Define S2 Black – TG ATX Mid Tower Case	$119.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply	be quiet! - Dark Power Pro 11 650 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$138.99 @ SuperBiiz
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1854.43
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-28 09:40 EST-0500

 

EDIT: Here is a revised Threadripper build recommendation with a silent Air Cooler and the RTX 2070:

 

WORKSTATION BUILD

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Threadripper 1950X 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor  ($449.99 @ Newegg Business)
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-U9 TR4-SP3 46.44 CFM CPU Cooler  ($69.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME X399-A EATX TR4 Motherboard  ($299.87 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($229.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Pro 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($284.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda Pro 4 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($161.26 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB XC ULTRA GAMING Video Card  ($549.99 @ Walmart)
Case: Fractal Design - Define R6 Blackout TG ATX Mid Tower Case  ($198.18 @ Walmart)
Power Supply: be quiet! - DARK POWER PRO 11 750 W 80+ Platinum Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($175.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $2420.16
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-28 09:50 EST-0500

Wow! I never expect such a de

[Matrixunloaded]

Wow! I never expected such a detailed response! Now I need to read reviews and benchmarks. This saves me a lot of research (and $$$).

 

I’ve only built one AMD system before many years ago. Everything else has been Intel builds. My son, who is an engineer and gamer, insists Intel is still better. If I want to put the AMD builds against comparable Intel builds, what would they be (I know they will be more expensive!)? 

 

This process is bringing me up to speed after being out of the loop for many years!

 

Many thanks for all the guidance.

[maartendc]

7 hours ago, Matrixunloaded said:

Wow! I never expected such a detailed response! Now I need to read reviews and benchmarks. This saves me a lot of research (and $$$).

 

I’ve only built one AMD system before many years ago. Everything else has been Intel builds. My son, who is an engineer and gamer, insists Intel is still better. If I want to put the AMD builds against comparable Intel builds, what would they be (I know they will be more expensive!)? 

 

This process is bringing me up to speed after being out of the loop for many years!

 

Many thanks for all the guidance.

Well, Intel is better for gaming only, and at high refresh rates only (144 HZ at 1080p) when paired with a very fast GPU. Let me try to explain:

 

For example, at 1080P and with a 144Hz monitor and a GTX 2080Ti (a $1000 GPU!) this is what is called a "CPU limited scenario" where the CPU is the bottleneck: the Intel 9700K will be able to put out 146 Fps in Battlefield V, while the AMD Ryzen 2700X (AMD's fastest "consumer" GPU) can only put out about 130 fps. So Intel has the "faster gaming GPU".

 

However, with a less powerful GPU, or at 1440P or 4K, or with a 60hz monitor (A "GPU limited scenario" where the GPU is the bottleneck), the difference doesn't matter, because either the GPU will only be able to put out 100 fps or less, so the 130 fps cap on the 2700X won't hold you back. Or on a 60hz monitor, the max you can see is 60 fps. So in many use cases, the difference between AMD and Intel CPU's in games is irrelevant or not applicable. You will only "get" 60 fps or 100 fps respectively. THe CPU is not holding you back.

 

In Workstation workloads, like video editing, rendering, CAD work, etc. usually the more cores you have the better. And this is where AMD CPU's are better, because they have up to 8 cores / 16 threads with the Ryzen series, or up to 32 cores with the Threadripper series. Intel CPU's by and large have less cores / threads at the same price points.

 

"Comparable CPU's" Intel vs AMD is hard to say, because it depends on the usage (either gaming or workstation). For your usage case (Workstation performance + some gaming) it would be:

Threadripper 1950X (16C/32T) <-> Intel i9 7960X (16C/32T)

Ryzen 7 2700x (8C/16T) <-> Core i9 9900K (8C/16T) or i7 9700K (8C/8T)  or i7 8700K (6C/12T)

Ryzen 5 2600X (6C/12T) <-> Core i5 9600K (6C/6T)

Ryzen 5 2600 (6C/12T) <-> Core i5 8400 (6C/6T)

 

All the CPU's above will have roughly comparable workstation performance, and Intel will have slightly better gaming performance (but again, it doesnt really matter). Also, AMD will be cheaper in these comparisons in almost all cases, so you can spend more money on other components.

[Princess Luna]

Are you going to use Adobe for video editing? or Adobe in general? Because Intel would make a hell more sense than AMD if you need a great gaming PC for streaming and video editing.

 

IT is more expensive but for good reason, the i7 8700K outperforms a Threadripper 1950X on 4k rendering in Adobe thanks to iGPU hardware acceleration while giving much better eprformance for after effects, previews and what not.

 

I'd go for the i7 9700K build if possible, being honest.