Apple iMac Pro - Up to 18core Xeon, 128Gb ECC, AMD VEGA - Discuss.

[Pendragon]

this will sell like hotcakes to everyone who runs MacOS for work. All those video editors on youtube. and stuff. (honestly I'm not even sure that's the proper way to get the most performance, i think the best way would be to pick up the old trash can mac with a diy 12 core + max vega gpu via tb2 egpu). 

 

for everyone else, it's a laughing stock. 

[Guest lilbman]

Hopefully some third party company makes a grill that I can install on the back of it so I can grill some steaks while I try to do anything on the iMac.

[flibberdipper]

13 hours ago, Pendragon said:

this will sell like hotcakes to everyone who runs MacOS for work. All those video editors on youtube. and stuff. (honestly I'm not even sure that's the proper way to get the most performance, i think the best way would be to pick up the old trash can mac with a diy 12 core + max vega gpu via tb2 egpu). 

 

for everyone else, it's a laughing stock. 

Yeah honestly even the old garbage can Mac Pro should still stack up great for content creators IF they use FCPX. If they use Premiere or whatever else then the new incredibly overpriced machine is better, but at that cost you're better off building your own workstation and using Winblows.

[Damascus]

17 hours ago, Shiv78 said:

Capital B, m8... 1 GB = 8 Gb

3GB*8 = 24Gb = 12 times Sata 2

 

lol

 

but also why no BT 5.0, only 2 frickin speakers, thermal throttling for days...at least it comes in space gray now

lol, shouldn't post when  I'm tired

[Damascus]

17 hours ago, tmcclelland455 said:

SATA 2 is 3Gbps. 3GB/s (as shown in that picture) is 24Gbps... Totally different measurements.

yup, tired and messed up. srry

[DrMacintosh]

On 6/5/2017 at 1:24 PM, Shiv78 said:

apple is really charging $4999 for the base config with 32GB, 1TB SSD, and an 8-core Xeon with baseline 8GB Vega Pro. 

 

<rant>

WHY CAN I MAKE A MUCH BETTER 22 CORE 64GB 2TB DUAL 1080Ti RIG FOR THE SAME AS OR LESS THAN WHAT THEY WILL CHARGE FOR THE 10 CORE VERSION???!!

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DcmpYr
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DcmpYr/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Xeon E5-2699 V4 2.2GHz 22-Core OEM/Tray Processor  ($1756.00 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H100i v2 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($94.99 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard: Asus - X99-E ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard  ($174.00 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill - FORTIS 64GB (4 x 16GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($435.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung - 960 Pro 2.0TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($1189.00 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: PNY - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB XLR8 Gaming OC Video Card (2-Way SLI)  ($699.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: PNY - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB XLR8 Gaming OC Video Card (2-Way SLI)  ($699.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($69.99 @ B&H) 
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($109.89 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $5229.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-05 16:22 EDT-0400

 

</rant>

But see the problem with this is that it doesn't run MacOS and it isn't an all in one. It also doesn't have a 1 cable desk solution. 

[DrMacintosh]

19 hours ago, lilbman said:

Hopefully some third party company makes a grill that I can install on the back of it so I can grill some steaks while I try to do anything on the iMac.

they dramatically improved the cooling just fyi, it was in the keynote

 

[DrMacintosh]

On 6/5/2017 at 0:53 PM, ashypanda said:

as there is no way could those components fit in the imac chassis from both a thermal and power point of view, as it'd need to be at least 5 inches deep.

Thats where you're wrong kiddo

 

[DrMacintosh]

On 6/5/2017 at 1:15 PM, domandric034 said:

opens macOS to all PC's = Bigger profit from Mac's

thats not the point of MacOS

[Shiv78]

26 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

But see the problem with this is that it doesn't run MacOS and it isn't an all in one. It also doesn't have a 1 cable desk solution. 

OK, so you are willing to pay MORE for MUCH LESS performance just for convenience?

26 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

they dramatically improved the cooling just fyi, it was in the keynote

 

5 times better than shit is still shit

16 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Thats where you're wrong kiddo

 

 

16 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

thats not the point of MacOS

not to call you out for fanboyism but ur name is DrMac....

[DrMacintosh]

1 hour ago, Shiv78 said:

5 times better than shit is still shit

just fyi there are no numbers to call "shit"

 

1 hour ago, Shiv78 said:

but ur name is DrMac

wow you noticed that?

[Mira Yurizaki]

I think the system build from before makes some assumptions and while it's good for a cursory comparison, I think it doesn't work as an... apples to apples comparison. Mostly:

• The GPU is likely going to be professional grade.
• The motherboard is likely going to have a server chipset (the 2013 Mac Pro used a C602J)
• Need to include a professional grade 5K monitor

So after modifying this:

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kVcn4C
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kVcn4C/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Xeon E5-2699 V4 2.2GHz 22-Core OEM/Tray Processor  ($1756.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H100i v2 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($107.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill - FORTIS 64GB (4 x 16GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($435.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 960 Pro 2.0TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($1191.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: ATI - FirePro S9150 16GB Video Card  ($3018.68 @ Amazon) (I picked this at random of the 16GB cards they had.)
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($69.99 @ B&H)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $6680.63
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-06 18:49 EDT-0400

 

Add:

Motherboard: SUPERMICRO X10SRM-F ($269.99 @ Newegg) (https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813183597)

Monitor: Dell UP2715K ($1299.99 @ Amazon) (https://www.amazon.com/Dell-Monitor-UP2715K-27-Inch-LED-Lit/dp/B00OKSFXZU)

 

New total: $8250.61

 

And I guess throw in another $100 for mouse and keyboard.

[DrMacintosh]

9 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

I think the system build from before makes some assumptions and while it's good for a cursory comparison, I think it doesn't work as an... apples to apples comparison. Mostly:

• The GPU is likely going to be professional grade.
• The motherboard is likely going to have a server chipset (the 2013 Mac Pro used a C602J)
• Need to include a professional grade 5K monitor

So after modifying this:

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kVcn4C
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kVcn4C/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Xeon E5-2699 V4 2.2GHz 22-Core OEM/Tray Processor  ($1756.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H100i v2 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($107.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill - FORTIS 64GB (4 x 16GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($435.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 960 Pro 2.0TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($1191.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: ATI - FirePro S9150 16GB Video Card  ($3018.68 @ Amazon) (I picked this at random of the 16GB cards they had.)
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($69.99 @ B&H)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $6680.63
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-06 18:49 EDT-0400

 

Add:

Motherboard: SUPERMICRO X10SRM-F ($269.99 @ Newegg) (https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813183597)

Monitor: Dell UP2715K ($1299.99 @ Amazon) (https://www.amazon.com/Dell-Monitor-UP2715K-27-Inch-LED-Lit/dp/B00OKSFXZU)

 

New total: $8250.61

 

And I guess throw in another $100 for mouse and keyboard.

All of that and it still costs significantly more, and performs worse than the iMac Pro would. 

 

Not so sure on the CPU side but definitely on the GPU side. The new Radeon Pro Vega cards are titan level performance. and the RAM isn't even ECC

 

We won't know more till the full pricing is released but the iMac Pro certainly costs less since it starts at $4,999 and doesn't require any other peripherals. 

 

[Mira Yurizaki]

2 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

All of that and it still costs significantly more, and performs worse than the iMac Pro would. 

 

Not so sure on the CPU side but definitely on the GPU side. The new Radeon Pro Vega cards are titan level performance. 

 

We won't know more till the full pricing is released but the iMac Pro certainly costs less since it starts at $4,999 and doesn't require any other peripherals. 

 

I remember when the 2013 Mac Pro came out, trying to buy the base model CPU alone on NewEgg would damn near cover the cost of the base model. Then add in two professional grade video cards...

 

Also I was considering putting the Quadro P6000, but it had 24GB of VRAM. It does cost $6000 or something though.

[DrMacintosh]

Just now, M.Yurizaki said:

I remember when the 2013 Mac Pro came out, trying to buy the base model CPU alone on NewEgg would damn near cover the cost of the base model. Then add in two video cards...

I remember when Apple Stated something along those lines in their keynote for it when it came out. 

[Mira Yurizaki]

2 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

I remember when Apple Stated something along those lines in their keynote for it when it came out. 

I edited my post, but I was considering adding a Quadro P6000 to match an assumption if AMD delivers a very powerful Vega and Apple uses it. But it had 24GB so I went over to find a 16GB card. Either way:

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cv4fgL
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cv4fgL/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Xeon E5-2699 V4 2.2GHz 22-Core OEM/Tray Processor  ($1756.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H100i v2 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($107.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill - FORTIS 64GB (4 x 16GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($435.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 960 Pro 2.0TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($1191.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PNY - Quadro P6000 24GB Video Card  ($5499.99 @ Dell Small Business)
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($69.99 @ B&H)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $9161.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-06 19:06 EDT-0400

 

Whoops.

 

EDIT: Oh wait, the P5000 is $2000-$2500 and has 16GB of VRAM.

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, M.Yurizaki said:

Whoops.

And that Quadro isn't even using HBM 2.0.......(I think)

[Mira Yurizaki]

Anyway, the whole point of my exercise is traditionally Mac Pros were very hard to build something comparable with the same budget if you went and tried to do it yourself, let alone get something better out of it.

 

I am sort of expecting the same thing here.

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, M.Yurizaki said:

Anyway, the whole point of my exercise is traditionally Mac Pros were very hard to build something comparable with the same budget if you went and tried to do it yourself, let alone get something better out of it.

 

I am sort of expecting the same thing here.

change the CPU to have between 8-18 cores (since that is what the iMac Pro will have) 

 

and set the GPU to something more reasonable like a Titan Xp. 

[Mira Yurizaki]

Just now, DrMacintosh said:

change the CPU to have between 8-18 cores (since that is what the iMac Pro will have) 

 

and set the GPU to something more reasonable like a Titan Xp. 

I'll wait until we have something concrete. Otherwise we'll be throwing darts with beer goggles.

 

Also no consumer GPUs. The next closest thing I found was actually the Quadro P5000.

[Mira Yurizaki]

@DrMacintosh

 

Okay I lied, I had one more crack at it for laughs:

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zsngcc
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zsngcc/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Xeon E5-2697 V4 2.3GHz 18-Core Processor  ($2495.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($99.99 @ Corsair)
Motherboard: Supermicro - MBD-X10SRL-F-O ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard  ($236.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston - ValueRAM 32GB (4 x 8GB) Registered DDR4-2400 Memory  ($345.99 @ SuperBiiz) Note: The 2013 Mac Pro used ECC memory
Storage: Samsung - 960 Pro 2.0TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($1191.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PNY - Quadro P5000 16GB Video Card  ($1999.99 @ Dell Small Business)
Case: Corsair - Crystal 460X RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair - 860W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($198.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Dell - UP2715K 27.0" 5120x2880 60Hz Monitor  ($1299.99)
Other: StarTech PEX4M2E1 x4 PCI Express to M.2 PCIe SSD Adapter  ($24.99 @ Newegg) Note: Motherboard does not have an M.2 slot.
Other: ASRock Add-On Card Model THUNDERBOLT 3 AIC  ($79.99) Note: Adding because TB3 functionality needs to be added to get near feature parity.
Other: ASRock Add-On Card Model THUNDERBOLT 3 AIC  ($79.99)
Total: $8184.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-06 19:32 EDT-0400

 

If you wanted to skimp on things, you may be able to bring it down to about $7700.

[Pendragon]

10 hours ago, tmcclelland455 said:

Winblows

Stock windows is incredibly unoptimized and bad. 

[Pendragon]

4 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

they dramatically improved the cooling just fyi, it was in the keynote

2

they say that all the time. is literally garbage everytime.

 

4 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

But see the problem with this is that it doesn't run MacOS and it isn't an all in one. It also doesn't have a 1 cable desk solution. 

Yes. For people who work on MacOS this will be the most powerful native MacOS machine. It has TB3 for external solutions if need be. And iMacs always had "fine" value cause of the 5k screen. If Apple allowed for video INPUT on their iMac line it would be pretty amazing

 

2 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

The new Radeon Pro Vega cards are titan level performance. and the RAM isn't even ECC

Speculation. I do hope they do well. Either way, it will not be cooled in a chassis like that. That's like trying to stuff a Titan XP into a laptop form factor. 

 

2 hours ago, M.Yurizaki said:

I edited my post, but I was considering adding a Quadro P6000 to match an assumption if AMD delivers a very powerful Vega and Apple uses it. But it had 24GB so I went over to find a 16GB card. Either way:

 

I think the Quadro P6000 will WAY outpace anything AMD releases mostly because nvidia has been ahead the whole time and there's no evidence to say the contray. 

 

2 hours ago, M.Yurizaki said:

Anyway, the whole point of my exercise is traditionally Mac Pros were very hard to build something comparable with the same budget if you went and tried to do it yourself, let alone get something better out of it.

1

The 5k screen is the value added. 

 

1 hour ago, DrMacintosh said:

and set the GPU to something more reasonable like a Titan Xp. 

Nah. You need to compare it to Quadros. 

[DrMacintosh]

4 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

Nah. You need to compare it to Quadros. 

Titan has 11 TFlops, iMac Pro has 11TFlops. 

 

Quadro comparison not necessary. 

[DrMacintosh]

1 hour ago, M.Yurizaki said:

@DrMacintosh

 

Okay I lied, I had one more crack at it for laughs:

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zsngcc
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zsngcc/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Xeon E5-2697 V4 2.3GHz 18-Core Processor  ($2495.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($99.99 @ Corsair)
Motherboard: Supermicro - MBD-X10SRL-F-O ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard  ($236.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston - ValueRAM 32GB (4 x 8GB) Registered DDR4-2400 Memory  ($345.99 @ SuperBiiz) Note: The 2013 Mac Pro used ECC memory
Storage: Samsung - 960 Pro 2.0TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($1191.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PNY - Quadro P5000 16GB Video Card  ($1999.99 @ Dell Small Business)
Case: Corsair - Crystal 460X RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair - 860W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($198.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Dell - UP2715K 27.0" 5120x2880 60Hz Monitor  ($1299.99)
Other: StarTech PEX4M2E1 x4 PCI Express to M.2 PCIe SSD Adapter  ($24.99 @ Newegg) Note: Motherboard does not have an M.2 slot.
Other: ASRock Add-On Card Model THUNDERBOLT 3 AIC  ($79.99) Note: Adding because TB3 functionality needs to be added to get near feature parity.
Other: ASRock Add-On Card Model THUNDERBOLT 3 AIC  ($79.99)
Total: $8184.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-06 19:32 EDT-0400

 

If you wanted to skimp on things, you may be able to bring it down to about $7700.

Well and if you watch the Keynote Apple says a comparable system for the $4,999 model would be over $7,000