Former Facebook exec: Facebook lying about not targeting vulnerable teens, sells ability to swing elections

[Tomsen]

11 hours ago, mr moose said:

 

I believe many scholars argue his political leaning is not really known,  he hated communism,  marxism (particularly Jewish) and anti parliamentarian.  So it's likely that his political leanings don't conform to any of today's accepted leanings.  Personally given his history (growing up in poverty, watching his country be defeated and first years in army suppressing socialism), I think  he was most likely very dishearten with the governance of the time, of world politics and probably was more a patriot with strong disestablishment views (leaving him believing he was superior dictator).  

 

But that's just my 2 cents.

 

EDIT: although I just realised you are talking about Nazism which is a current movement.  I think you will find they are considered far right anyway.

This might come off as a little offensive, but who are these scholars that argue that Hitlers political leaning isn't really known? Are we serious here, we don't know Hitler political leanings???

And yes, I was talking about nazi germany, and not neo-nazism.

 

10 hours ago, Prysin said:

let me correct myself. i was referring to Nazi's, as National Socialism, aka the policy that was fronted to the people. Facism is actually not left or right, facism is defined by the abuse and exertion of force and or coercion by a state in order to cull its subjects. Stalin was a facist, just like mussolini, just like Castro, just like Mao. The moment you engage in suppressing and persecuting opposing political or social ideas, you're a facist.

The nazi regime was only socialist by name. Hitler for example, really hated the democratic socialist party (he hated socialism in general, thought of it as a curse to the german people). I know fascism isn't either left or right, that is why I clarified the position (center right [AKA just right to the center]). Nazi's fascism regime was right leaning.

Hitler made unions illegal, and germany's social welfare programs are revolved around unions.

 

10 hours ago, Prysin said:

As for Hitlers policies, he centralized the means of production and distribution, not just as a lone dictator, but also to independent comitties that obviously reported to him personally, but he broke it down to locally and regionally controlled. The exact same way as Stalin ran his marxist empire.

No, Hitler didn't do that. Hitler only centralized the means of military production. Everything else was left in a "free market".  (When Hitler became chancellor he introduced economic policies that privatized the states industry).

 

10 hours ago, Prysin said:

The defining trait of left leaning policy is controlled centralization, whilst centrist policy wants uncontrolled/low regulation de-centralization, and right wants highly regulated de-centralization. That being said, most "right" wing parties today are actually centre left, especially in the west. even "conservative" parties arent actually right, they are centrist in nature and by policy.

What exactly do you mean with something as arbitrary as "controlled centralization"? Centric policies is relative to the right and left policies. Right want no regulation.

Yes, most western countries today are left leaning, that is that is true.

 

10 hours ago, Prysin said:

What makes them "right" wing is their social policy (aka immigration). Left wants free immigration, because they NEED free immigration to sustain their social policies, which they sustain through taxation. Centre is either or but with regulations applied. Right is against immigration, because immigration would hurt their socio-economic policies and provide no immediate benefit to their cause.

No, Hitlers economic policies was also right wing. Hitlers policies resembled nothing of the "left" policies (social democratic), but was much similar to the right wing (at the time) policies in economics and social policies.

[AntonChigurh]

17 hours ago, Tomsen said:

Nazi's were leftist? Really?

Nazism is a center-right fascism.

I'd say more center-left fascism, seeing as how Nazis were Socialists, and socialism is a left-leaning economic structure. A lot of people consider the Nazis to be right wing extremists because of their views on race, but if you look at their system as a whole, they seem to be more centrist-fascists, or center-left fascist.

 

EDIT: On a side note, if you compare the Nazis to today's leftists (yes I know, the Nazis were a long time ago, democratic socialists are right now), you actually can see quite a few similarities. The Nazis believed in globalism, as does most of today's left. They attempted to oppress and persecute any opposing opinions, as you see quite often in the mainstream western media (Look at Canada, who recently passed a law that made it illegal to ""Misgender"" a transgender person).

[Tomsen]

27 minutes ago, N1ghtshade said:

I'd say more center-left fascism, seeing as how Nazis were Socialists, and socialism is a left-leaning economic structure. A lot of people consider the Nazis to be right wing extremists because of their views on race, but if you look at their system as a whole, they seem to be more centrist-fascists, or center-left fascist.

Is the democratic people's republic of Korea also a democratic nation?

 

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EDIT: On a side note, if you compare the Nazis to today's leftists (yes I know, the Nazis were a long time ago, democratic socialists are right now), you actually can see quite a few similarities. The Nazis believed in globalism, as does most of today's left. They attempted to oppress and persecute any opposing opinions, as you see quite often in the mainstream western media (Look at Canada, who recently passed a law that made it illegal to ""Misgender"" a transgender person).

You are dead wrong. The nazi was NOT globalist. They were NATIONALIST. "deutschland über alles" (meaning Germany over everyone else).

[Cool Guy]

Well, DUH!  It's pretty obvious that most of the companies today are lying about what they can achieve and what illegal things they do behind closed doors.  I find it sad that vulnerable teens are being exploited like this but it's happening and there's nothing I can do about it, because in the end it's about money for this big companies; and that means unless the government cracks down on Facebook (which they won't) or some private party pays Facebook copious amounts of money to stop doing what they are doing it's highly likely it won't stop.

 

Human nature is to control and dominate, because by nature we are still animals who are surviving in a hostile world. With the rise of the internet, technology and peace between cooperation between many nations, huge companies have arose and provided innovation for our new technological era but at the price of (essentially) our entire private life and part of our freedoms.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Facebook is doing much worse things behind closed doors. 

[mr moose]

1 hour ago, Tomsen said:

This might come off as a little offensive, but who are these scholars that argue that Hitlers political leaning isn't really known? Are we serious here, we don't know Hitler political leanings???

And yes, I was talking about nazi germany, and not neo-nazism.

 

 

Historians and biographers mainly. This is a  interest from years ago previous to internet. Most of my sources where in the library, Britannica, pears, oxford press. and their ilk.

 

[Tomsen]

7 minutes ago, mr moose said:

Historians and biographers mainly. This is a  interest from years ago previous to internet. Most of my sources where in the library, Britannica, pears, oxford press. and their ilk.

That is probably because of the fascist regime implemented. It draws lines from both the left and the right (that why nazi regime wasn't far right). Hitler himself said that the nazism was neither left nor right (aka centric). Yet, when going over the policies implemented, you see a slightly more "right" policies than "left" policies.

 

But, we I think we have a very clear understanding of Hitlers political leanings. He was after all the dictator of nazi germany that started WW2, and not just some random dude.

[Wolther]

Only LTT community can take a topic about facebook into a Nazi and Hitler discussion 

[Colonel_Gerdauf]

1 hour ago, Wolther said:

Only LTT community can take a topic about facebook into a Nazi and Hitler discussion 

Welcome to Goodwin's Law, apparently.

[mr moose]

6 hours ago, Colonel_Gerdauf said:

Welcome to Goodwin's Law, apparently.

"apparently" spoken like there could be question it was only perspective.  Black and white fact I'm afraid.  People like the idea that they can justify their political ideals by pointing to the perceived flaws in others.   I mean, personally, I don't want to blow my own trumpet or pontificate about the virtues of being incredibly knowledgeable in the field. But the reality Is I own a unicorn and therefore my judgments are above question.  

[AntonChigurh]

On 5/22/2017 at 2:17 PM, Tomsen said:

Is the democratic people's republic of Korea also a democratic nation?

 

You are dead wrong. The nazi was NOT globalist. They were NATIONALIST. "deutschland über alles" (meaning Germany over everyone else).

What does that have to do with the nazis?

 

And they planned on world domination. The entire world unified under one country is pretty globalist imho