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Questions on HEDT vs. Consumer Processors

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Hey guys,

 

 I’m still kind of new with computer tech, and what’s best for myself and friends. Linus was the one who got me into computer tech, and feel like I could have been into it sooner if I was able to touch my mom’s computer. Other than that, I was inspired to build my first PC, being Ryzen based, but it’s becoming outdated.

 

 I’m a content creator and a streamer, and to do what I want to do, I need a more powerful machine. I’m wanting to record in both 4K and 1080p with two different capture cards, since I have multiple systems to record off of, and I don’t want to destroy my HDMI connectors quickly with switching. I also want to have a good amount of NVME storage to help with the process. Would I be able to use a regular processor on a great motherboard, or would I need to bump myself up to an HEDT? If HEDT, what should I go for?

 

 One last question though to go with all of this: can I get ram with higher clock speeds than what I see processors capable of handling, while keeping it stable, or no?

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what kind of capture cards are you using?

PCIE will mean you need to move to HEDT but USB should be fine on  say a 3900x or 39500x


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Memory frequency vs mobo memory controller vs CPU memory controller (to answer your RAM question) is luck and time dependent.  Can you go above?  I do regularly on my Zen rigs, however that meant spending tons of hours dialing in 3600mhz and getting it stable on a 2666mhz CPU memory controller and 3200mhz max mobo memory controller.

 

Silicon lottery and a bit of OCing skill involved to get it stable at higher (if silicon lottery may just plug and play) than rated imho.


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16 cores 32 threads is more than enough to record several 4k streams, especially when most of the work is done by the capture card or GPU encoder.


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The line between HEDT and Consumer is very blurred right now.  For most people it is going to be less about the raw performance between the two and more about the other benefits.   Namely PCIE lanes and Quad channel memory.

 

When you say good amount of NVME what are you talking?   Many high end boards on the Consumer end let you have 3 PCIE NVME drives.   So would that be enough?   If not then look HEDT..  


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I dont know how much bandwidth 2 capture cards will need but since Zen 2 Ryzen CPUs with X570 board gets double the bandwidth to thr chipset than that old older Ryzen or older AM4.boards or Intel non-HEDt competitors (Z490 basically), say a 3900X or 3950X with X570 board with enough PCIe slots will be your best bet without spending even more on HEDT stuff

 

As for memory, yes you could run then faster than what the CPU is rated for. Just that doing so is treated as an overclock, so no guarantees on your success


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Posted · Original PosterOP
22 hours ago, GDRRiley said:

what kind of capture cards are you using?

PCIE will mean you need to move to HEDT but USB should be fine on  say a 3900x or 39500x

PCIE capture cards. I currently have an Elgato HD60 Pro installed in my current computer, and planning on buying a 4K60 Pro to go with it. So that would mean I need an HEDT processor?

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Posted · Original PosterOP
22 hours ago, Tristerin said:

Memory frequency vs mobo memory controller vs CPU memory controller (to answer your RAM question) is luck and time dependent.  Can you go above?  I do regularly on my Zen rigs, however that meant spending tons of hours dialing in 3600mhz and getting it stable on a 2666mhz CPU memory controller and 3200mhz max mobo memory controller.

 

Silicon lottery and a bit of OCing skill involved to get it stable at higher (if silicon lottery may just plug and play) than rated imho.

Ah okay. I had a feeling that was the case, but I wanted to double check before I somehow get into a tough spot. Thanks!

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Posted · Original PosterOP
21 hours ago, KWelz said:

The line between HEDT and Consumer is very blurred right now.  For most people it is going to be less about the raw performance between the two and more about the other benefits.   Namely PCIE lanes and Quad channel memory.

 

When you say good amount of NVME what are you talking?   Many high end boards on the Consumer end let you have 3 PCIE NVME drives.   So would that be enough?   If not then look HEDT..  

I’m mainly using 3 NVME drives, I was just worried about not having enough PCIE lanes trying to use all of them, on top of a graphics card, and 2 PCIE capture cards. One card using PCIE 3 1x, and the other using 4x.

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1 hour ago, Expansive G said:

PCIE capture cards. I currently have an Elgato HD60 Pro installed in my current computer, and planning on buying a 4K60 Pro to go with it. So that would mean I need an HEDT processor?

Then your going to need HEDT or a board that does PCEI split right. 

1 hour ago, Expansive G said:

Good luck, Have fun, Build PC, and have a last gen console for use once a year. I should answer most of the time between 9 to 3 PST

NightHawk 2.0: R7 2700 @4.0ghz, B450m Steel Legends, H105, 4x8gb Gell EVO 3000, XFX RX 580 8GB, Corsair RM750X, 500 gb 850 evo, 500gb 850 pro and 5tb Toshiba x300

Skunkworks: R5 3500U, 16gb, 250 intel 750, 500gb Adata XPG 6000 lite, Vega 8. HP probook G455R G6

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Compute server Rappter(remember to add link) HP DL380G6 2xE5520 24GB ram with 4x146gb 10k drives and 4x300gb 10K drives, running NOTHING can't get anything to work

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