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Posted · Original PosterOP

Like honestly, do these prices make any fucking sense to anybody?

 

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Ryzen 5 3600 8/16 3.6GHz 4.4GHz 65W $178 CES
Ryzen 5 3600X 8/16 4.0GHz 4.8GHz 95W $229 CES
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Ok so 3rd gen 8core ryzen parts going for $180 when 2nd gen part is selling for about $200 on a steep 3rd atleast, discount?

12 core part going for $300 when that was the release price of previous 8 gen parts and 1st gen 12 core parts just getting close to these prices now?

 

So either AMD just wants to put a knife in the back of intel in the entire i5/i7 range and are willing to do whatever it takes to do it or they are saints who don't like money because if you move the entire skew down (excluding G units) that makes a crap ton more sense, am I missing something? is 7nm much cheaper than 12nm/14? or does this have something to do with the article of AMD getting 70% success rates in yields, I know in 7 days we MIGHT get answers but I want a heads up since I just bought into TR4 socket and besides never knowing if 3rd gen threadripper was going to be compatible now I don't even know if it will exist at all, with these prices it's like a fucking dropkick to the nutsack I just can't believe the PRICES, anybody find it crazy or have an explanation.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, SigmaDire said:

Like honestly, do these prices make any fucking sense to anybody?

those are 6 month old rumours..............

 

and pricewise they sort of make sense in terms of market segmentation. though we wont know untill Computex or launch. 

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IIRC it doesn't cost AMD much more to produce chips with more cores. Their yields have been pretty good. So, to get more market share, they just pump out chips with more cores for low prices and voila. It's not really hard to grasp if you think about it from a profit standpoint; some profit is better than none, greed here gets you nothing. They'll OnePlus it. Start out as the underdog hero now, and increase over time. 


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Just now, dizmo said:

It's not really hard to grasp if you think about it from a profit standpoint; some profit is better than none, greed here gets you nothing

mindshare is far more important than some small extra margins really. there is allways server, where the real margins are made. if AMD decide to go with small margins this year and just build marketshare and mindshare. then they should be good to charge extra for the next few generations. 

2 minutes ago, dizmo said:

They'll OnePlus it. Start out as the underdog hero now, and increase over time. 

if you have the time, productstack and money to build mindshare, then doing a Oneplus is probably the greatest idea. 

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hmmmm, another day... another pointless thread with the same rumored garbage of the new AMD chips forthcoming.. you know.. just have patience and wait until Monday when Dr. Su gives her Keynote opening speech at Computex... 


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2 minutes ago, Skiiwee29 said:

hmmmm, another day... another pointless thread with the same rumored garbage of the new AMD chips forthcoming.. you know.. just have patience and wait until Monday when Dr. Su gives her Keynote opening speech at Computex... 

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1 minute ago, GoldenLag said:

also please just dont.............

I already


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1 minute ago, SigmaDire said:

I already

its the second time. just dont do it trice unless you /s or /j it. its a personal preference, but one does come out as an ass when claiming such things. especially when posting in news. 

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The prices won't be a million miles away. I'd add $50 onto those prices at the very most. And I know Jim at Adored is hit and miss, but he seemed pretty certain in his most recent video that 5ghz is happening. Not just on the 8 and 12 core parts either, but also on the 16 core part too. He's putting his neck on the line with a few days remaining, to me that says he knows something.

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4 hours ago, SigmaDire said:

is 7nm much cheaper than 12nm/14?

Yes, if the yields are similar the cost of a single die is 2-3 times lower simply because you can fit more on one wafer. Also if they're using two 8 core chips for each part the yields for the whole package are higher. I think actual POS prices will be higher on launch but they're likely to be in this ballpark.

 

4 hours ago, dizmo said:

IIRC it doesn't cost AMD much more to produce chips with more cores.

It actually costs them less because they need fewer "perfect" dies to make their cpus. Only the highest end part needs all 8 functioning cores on both dies so the others (which are likely to sell much more) can be made from scraps. The 3300 only needs two dies with 3 functional cores each, which would have been trash up until now. This even opens the door for some dirt cheap quad core "athlons" with two dies where only 2 cores work.


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6 minutes ago, MeatFeastMan said:

The prices won't be a million miles away. I'd add $50 onto those prices at the very most. And I know Jim at Adored is hit and miss, but he seemed pretty certain in his most recent video that 5ghz is happening. Not just on the 8 and 12 core parts either, but also on the 16 core part too. He's putting his neck on the line with a few days remaining, to me that says he knows something.

Didn’t he say a 12core 5ghz boost ?


 

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Just now, Stormseeker9 said:

Didn’t he say a 12core 5ghz boost ?

He did. He also said that there was a 5ghz 16 core in the video too.

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Just now, MeatFeastMan said:

He did. He also said that there was a 5ghz 16 core in the video too.

No he did not.

 

He said there was a chance of there being a 5ghz boost 16 core part. 

2 minutes ago, Stormseeker9 said:

Didn’t he say a 12core 5ghz boost ?

He did, he also gave a Cinebench run of the 16 core at a known clockspeed. 

 

Though i dont really trust that one

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4 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

No he did not.

 

He said there was a chance of there being a 5ghz boost 16 core part. 

He did, he also gave a Cinebench run of the 16 core at a known clockspeed. 

 

Though i dont really trust that one

'As far as I'm concerned if there's a 12 core part boosting to 5ghz, there's a 16 core part boosting to 5ghz'. That's not a chance, that's him basically saying there is one. Well it isn't a confirmation, but it isn't a chance either.

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2 minutes ago, Nowak said:

Do you have an uncle that works at Nintendo too, by any chance?

you know Kojima-san?

 

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7 minutes ago, MeatFeastMan said:

He did. He also said that there was a 5ghz 16 core in the video too.

Pretty sure he said something along the lines of ‘ an possibility ‘


 

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3 minutes ago, MeatFeastMan said:

'As far as I'm concerned if there's a 12 core part boosting to 5ghz, there's a 16 core part boosting to 5ghz'. That's not a chance, that's him basically saying there is one. Well it isn't a confirmation, but it isn't a chance either.

You didnt quote. Fixed

 

And no, he worded that as speculation. Not as fact.

 

"As far as im concerned..." Is not the same as confirming. You are misquoting him and building unneccasary hype

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2 minutes ago, SigmaDire said:

you know Kojima-san?

 

wow didn't know he was famous

Send Su my regards yeah.. 

 

 


 

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Just now, GoldenLag said:

You didnt quote.

 

And no, he worded that as speculation. Not as fact.

 

"As far as im concerned..." Is not the same as confirming. You are misquoting him and building unneccasary hype

It's not a 'chance' either.  He's saying that whatever the 12 core does, the 16 core will follow.

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Just now, MeatFeastMan said:

It's not a 'chance' either.

"chance" in the realm speculation is the same as "maybe". i did not confirm. all he said that is that if the 12 core can do 5jiggies. the 16 core should be able to do the same. 

2 minutes ago, MeatFeastMan said:

He's saying that whatever the 12 core does, the 16 core will follow.

misquoting. he is saying that the 16 core should be able to do what the 12 core can. doesnt mean it will, or if yields allow them to do the same. 

 

he has not confirmed, nor hinted at that he knows there will be a 5 jiggy 16 core part. 

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7 minutes ago, MeatFeastMan said:

It's not a 'chance' either.  He's saying that whatever the 12 core does, the 16 core will follow.

No he doesn’t 


 

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6 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

"chance" in the realm speculation is the same as "maybe". i did not confirm. all he said that is that if the 12 core can do 5jiggies. the 16 core should be able to do the same. 

misquoting. he is saying that the 16 core should be able to do what the 12 core can. doesnt mean it will, or if yields allow them to do the same. 

 

he has not confirmed, nor hinted at that he knows there will be a 5 jiggy 16 core part. 

He hasn't said that it 'should' be able to do it. He's said that as far as he's concerned it WILL do it. He's not 90% on this as you are saying, he's 100% on this even if he doesn't have any evidence. It's not a 'could do' or a 'maybe' or a 'should'.

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1 minute ago, MeatFeastMan said:

e's not 90% on this as you are saying, he's 100% on this even if he doesn't have any evidence.

thank you for agreeing its baseless speculation based on educated guesses. 

1 minute ago, MeatFeastMan said:

He hasn't said that it 'should' be able to do it. He's said that as far as he's concerned it WILL do it

as far as he is concerned the 16 core is capapble of doing 5ghz. doesnt mean it will, nor that he knows it will. 

 

in other words, is speculation based on educated guesses. 

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