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3770K or 4771?

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Hi all

I recently received two pc's for free with these specs

1: MSI h77ma-g43 motherboard                                               

    Intel i7 3770K (can only go to 3.9Ghz on this motherboard)

    16 Gb ddr3 memory, 4 sticks   (i could get a 1400 overclock)

 

2: Gigabyte GA-H81M-S2PH motherboard

    Intel i7 4771 (can turbo to 3.9Ghz)

    16 GB HyperX Fury ddr3 memory 2 sticks (not sure of the overclock)

 

I would like the 4771 with the msi, but the socket is obviously different

 

My options are basicly:

1: MSi board

    3770K

    24 GB memory 2x hyperx + 2x 4 gb sticks at 1400

 

2: Gigabyte board

    4771

    16 Gb hyperx   (only two dim slots) (might get a higher overclock)

 

Any opinions?

On and yeah, I know it's old stuff, but it's what i've got XD

 

 

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i would stick with 4771 and h81 board cause its uefi and you dont know until when they will support legacy. well it supports 1600mhz ram so there will be no problem

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I think he should invest a bit more and go with the 3770k. He should get a z77 motherboard and overclock it. You can squeeze around 4.3~4.5 with proper cooling. Also, overclock your ram to 2400. Get a new GPU, maybe 1070ti and you are gold.

 

parts you need:

z77 board <--50~70USD used

Noctua d15 <--- 70USD used

1070ti <---- 300USD used

 

this should still last you at least 4 more years.

 

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I would be surprised if his RAM would OC to 2400 if it's only 1333 (assuming it's 1333 because that was a common speed around that time and he's only able to get 1400 out of it). I can get around 1650 out of good 1333 DDR3 with some lax timings and too much voltage but it runs HOT and stability is questionable. I was swapping a fan, had already grounded myself, my finger just bumped the heat spreader and the system crashed. Also it wasn't stable without a fan blowing over the memory too. 2400 might be do-able on 1866 memory but you might need to run timings so relaxed that the higher clock speeds could be tiny gains due to the high latency, if you're running 2T or 3T to get that high speed it might be detrimental.

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Think either would be fine. Prolly best to go for the 4th gen. Neither does great but should be midrange if the games are playable. 


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3 hours ago, JAFRIX said:

Any opinions?

Try it yourself.
You already have the parts.

You can do the benchmarkes yourself, can't you?


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Posted · Original PosterOP

Thanks for all the intputs

I will try and tun some benchmarks myself.

I forgot to mention that I am running a phanteks cpu air cooler and a gtx 1060 3gb

 

I would like to try the 4771 but I am not sure if it’s worth losing the 8gb ram

i currently have the 2x 4gb sticks in lane 2

and the 2x 8gb sticks in lane 1, but I don’t know if the motherboard really likes that...

 

buying a new motherboard for the 3770k might be an option

I just want to be sure that it’s the motherboard limiting the oc potential?

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https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-4771-vs-Intel-Core-i7-3770/2008vs1979

 

i don't think its a great idea to buy anything new/extra for these systems like a Z77 board etc. if you want something better i'd sell what you have (its worth quite a bit still) and use that money to invest in a newer platform

 

if you wanna just use it then either system would be absolutely fine

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Ok, so I did some testing

option 1:

3770k at 3.9ghz

24 gb ram at 1330

 

option 2

4771 at 3.7 (see pic: i have 3.9 selected but motherboard only shows 37 on the left side)

16 gb ram at 1600

 

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5 minutes ago, JAFRIX said:

Ok, so I did some testing

option 1:

3770k at 3.9ghz

24 gb ram at 1330

 

option 2

4771 at 3.7 (see pic: i have 3.9 selected but motherboard only shows 37 on the left side)

16 gb ram at 1600

 

 

So what was the actual test?


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Posted · Original PosterOP
7 minutes ago, Mick Naughty said:

So what was the actual test?

Well, i tried oveclocking them to see where I could hae them.

those results were stable under load.

i know it depends on what specific tests you use, but it’s just for reference

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Well if the memory speed isn’t changed then it shouldn’t move. Also isn’t the boost speed of the 3770k 3.9?


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Performance tests, have you ran benchmarks? Do you want the better performance or higher clock speed?


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Posted · Original PosterOP
6 minutes ago, Mick Naughty said:

Well if the memory speed isn’t changed then it shouldn’t move. Also isn’t the boost speed of the 3770k 3.9?

Yes, but my mb cant clock it any further

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Posted · Original PosterOP
2 minutes ago, Mick Naughty said:

Performance tests, have you ran benchmarks? Do you want the better performance or higher clock speed?

Don’t those kinda go hand in hand?

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1 minute ago, JAFRIX said:

Yes, but my mb cant clock it any further

If the board can’t overclock, then just do tests and go off the performance now or hope for more later if you change boards 

 

1 minute ago, JAFRIX said:

Don’t those kinda go hand in hand?

No, if the memory is set to 1333, it will stay there. I set mine to the max speed in the bios that the modules say. Mine are set to 2400 as that’s whats on them. So I have to change it. The board won’t do that for me. 


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Spare RIg Corsair Air 540, I7 4770K, Asus Maximus VI Extreme, G.Skill Ares 32Gb, EVGA 1080 SC, Corsair CX850M, Acer xG270HU 2560x1440@144hz

 

 

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51 minutes ago, JAFRIX said:

this is strange

 

max at load is 3.68

but with no load i get 3.86

That's how turbo works. You can't overclock on H or B series Intel boards, only on P/Z series. Max turbo only applies to one core, so an all core load only goes up to 3.7 in this case.

 

15 minutes ago, JAFRIX said:

Yes, but my mb cant clock it any further

Again, you need a P67, Z68 or Z77 board to OC a 3770K.

 

16 minutes ago, JAFRIX said:

Don’t those kinda go hand in hand?

Instability does weird things to performance. A stable clock speed can yield better results (not in sheer numbers but in perceivable smoothness and snappiness) than a very high but somewhat unstable clock speed.


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On 3/25/2019 at 8:13 AM, Jay Deah said:

I don't think its a great idea to buy anything new/extra for these systems like a Z77 board etc. if you want something better i'd sell what you have (its worth quite a bit still) and use that money to invest in a newer platform

Agreed: You could part these babies out for a decent budget on a new pc. That would be my suggestion as well! 

 

As for your OC testing... Play some games on both and see which is a better experience. Who cares which can clock higher? (unless you don't intend to use this for gaming, but as some kind of OC flexing machine?)

 

Practical use/value always trumps theoretical use/value.

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Ok, thanks for all the opinions

i would also like to sell them for a nice setup, but unfortunately the scrap system is going to my mom for email🙈

bit of an overkill for gmail, but I probably can’t complain, it’s free.

as for which one I choose... I think I will listen and play some actual games on both, and see how i feel. Basicly more memory + 3770k which I cant overclock vs less memory at a higher clock + 4771 which i cant overclock...

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16 gigs is plenty for either. Just find out which would be better for you. Cinebench should give you those results. Would transfer to gameplay if there was any benifit. 


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Spare RIg Corsair Air 540, I7 4770K, Asus Maximus VI Extreme, G.Skill Ares 32Gb, EVGA 1080 SC, Corsair CX850M, Acer xG270HU 2560x1440@144hz

 

 

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