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    AvogadrosDog got a reaction from BTGbullseye in How to overclock Ryzen 5 3600   
    3600 has a max boost clock of 4.2 GHz but that's only on one core and will only hit that for a split second - almost unnoticeable. You won't get higher than 4.0-4.1 GHz all-core boost on PBO. Your 3600 is performing as expected. The stuttering in BFV should be down to drivers and nothing to worry about. It's been shown by many reviewers that OCing the Ryzen 3000 CPUs actually hampers performance and it also prevents those chips from doing one of the things they're really good at - being efficient on power draw. 
  2. Agree
    AvogadrosDog got a reaction from Ben17 in Strix x570-E or TUF Gaming x570 (Wi-fi)   
    Fair enough. My argument is that more often than not you can get more for your money if you try another board manufacturer than if you stick with Asus. 
     
    Out of curiosity how much is the C8H compared to the Strix-E?
     
    The Strix-E is a better board than the TUF Gaming with respect to VRMs, USB ports, M.2, aesthetics (this is personal though, you may prefer the TUF gaming in terms of looks, who knows), RGB, number of chassis fan connectors and etc. Whether those features are important or not is completely down to you. I like slightly going overkill with motherboards simply because I value looks, sweet VRMs, connectivity (although I'll judge based on what is the likely maximum  number of things I'll connect and preference: I don't need to connect 8 SATA drives. As an example, I'm happy with 4 SATA ports because I don't think I'll need more than that for what I do) and cooling (I love the fact my MEG Ace has a heatpipe running from the VRMs to the chipset, for example).
     
    It's down to you at the end of the day. If I was in your position and I had to pick between the two boards I'd get the Strix-E. But that's just me.
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    AvogadrosDog got a reaction from Ben17 in Strix x570-E or TUF Gaming x570 (Wi-fi)   
    TUF X570 WiFi if you're looking for a budget option - it's probably the best X570 budget option board due to feature set and VRMs. Now, the Strix X570-E is better based on VRM comparison although that shouldn't be too much of a factor as most X570 boards can run a 12-core, and even a 16-core chip no problem. The feature-set is where the deviation comes in. The Strix-E has 2.5Gig LAN alongside the usual 1Gig Lan that every board has - whether you think that's an attractive feature set or not is down to you. This is just an example, there's more to consider like M.2 slots, SATA ports, USB ports both in the back and internally and etc. In terms of RAM overclocking I think the Strix-E is either as good as the TUF gaming or better - I can't remember.
     
    My advice would be to compare features and see which one is more appealing to you, if you're tied on that then go for cost and aesthetics. But honestly, if I was looking at a board like the Strix-E, I'd also be looking at the Aorus Master, Taichi and MEG Ace boards as they are all in similar price brackets (maybe a bit more but they also contain a lot of attractive features). Crosshair VIII Hero is also worth looking at if you're looking at the Strix-E, imo the Strix-E should be cheaper and the Strix-F shouldn't exist. Asus' product line makes no sense to me but whatever haha.
     
    Also, can I ask why you're only considering Asus?
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    AvogadrosDog got a reaction from z3us94 in I have CPU bottleneck only when im playing Battlefield V, Can anyone help?   
    The beauty with going with Ryzen, even with changing the motherboard, is that you can go for a cheap CPU like the 3600 or even the 2600 and then upgrade in the future when the next gen Ryzen CPUs come out. Your upgrade options are really good on the AM4 platform.
     
    If you're worried about the cost of the CPU + motherboard then go for a 2600 and a B450 or X470 board. Then upgrade to a better CPU in the future - which is super doable on Ryzen.
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    AvogadrosDog got a reaction from dalekphalm in Nuclear reactor explosion in russia   
    It was a hydrogen explosion mainly - the incredible amount of heat (once the xenon "burnt" up inside the core and the fission reaction quickly caught up) caused the water that was sitting in the reactor to super heat and vaporise instantly into hot gaseous water molecules. Once these hot gaseous water molecules came into contact with zirconium oxide (the fuel rod cladding) the water molecules split into hydrogen and oxygen (zirconium is known to do this under very high temperatures) and the hydrogen then ignited. It's also believed that the hot oxygen making contact with the hot graphite also played a role in the initial explosion, not just afterwards. 
     
    True, what made it nuclear was the radioactive chemicals being carried by the steam and the building burning releasing further radioactive material into the atmosphere. What also made it an extremely aggravated situation was that you had an open nuclear reactor core - the fuel was still undergoing fission and therefore radioactive chemicals were still being produced, not just carried. And without any coolant present (water vaporised, control rods destroyed or flung out of the site) the reactor core underwent "melt-down" which meant it was still producing radioactive chemicals.
     
    I don't know, the video reminds me a little of the chemical plant fire in China a couple of years ago. It could have also just been a chemical explosion. We really don't know but I think the IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) and other international agencies would've commented if they really thought it was nuclear-based.
  6. Informative
    AvogadrosDog got a reaction from hello_there_123 in Torn between Dark Rock 4 and Corsair Hydro H100i   
    I think things have changed a little between Zen2 and Zen+. This video explains the temperature scaling effect. 
     
    With respect to the offset voltage thing, AMD released a message a while back recommending not to do so. 
  7. Agree
    AvogadrosDog reacted to Fasauceome in Is this a good build? Any issues?   
    Motherboard performance goes far beyond chipset, the power delivery to the CPU is crucial.
     
    Trust me, a well featured case helps. Good airflow as well as ease of building go a long way.
     
    It's efficient but not reliable. PSU quality has nothing to do with brand or 80+ certification.
     
    Also, userbenchmark is total garbage for comparisons, their data is awful 
  8. Funny
    AvogadrosDog reacted to Herman Mcpootis in Ryzen 5 3600 with a radeon rx 5700 xt. bottleneck?   
    Spoiler alert: it's turtle rig...
  9. Informative
    AvogadrosDog reacted to Caennanu in Ryzen thermal inquiry   
    This is considered a thermal shutdown, specifically designed to try and prevent damage to your parts. Is it a guarantee? no it is not.
    Is it likely your parts are not defect after this failsafe has triggered? yes
     
    You can find thermal limits on intel and AMD's site. example: 95C

  10. Informative
    AvogadrosDog reacted to Caennanu in Ryzen thermal inquiry   
    Correct.
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    AvogadrosDog reacted to Zando_ in Awsome Cases   
    ^^^^ Yus, it's a gorgeous case for watercooling, some companies make awesome distro blocks for it too so you can make it look really tidy as well. 
     
    Evolv ATX (I have one) and the new Evolv X are gorgeous too. Same with the Shift/Shift X cases. Really loved my S340 Elite as well. 
  12. Agree
    AvogadrosDog reacted to Jurrunio in 1950X vs 2920X Which To Buy?   
    *checks 3900x benchmarks and pricing*
     
    I find them both hard to justify, 2920x more so.
  13. Agree
    AvogadrosDog got a reaction from DocSwag in Upgrade my LGA 1151 Platform or Go Ryzen?   
    PCPartPicker Part List Type Item Price CPU AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor $132.90 @ OutletPC CPU Cooler Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition 42 CFM CPU Cooler $33.89 @ OutletPC Motherboard MSI B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard $114.89 @ OutletPC Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory $79.39 @ OutletPC Power Supply Corsair TXM Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply $69.99 @ Newegg   Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts     Total (before mail-in rebates) $481.06   Mail-in rebates -$50.00   Total $431.06   Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-01 11:17 EDT-0400   I would go for this and keep your current GPU. Save some money and then get the best GPU you can for that money at that time (might be a 5700XT or a 2060 super or maybe something newer depending on how long you need to save up and how much you save up). 
     
    I cannot recommend whatsoever going for a 6700k on a H110. You can't overclock with that board and you're overpaying for a 3 year old processor that gets beaten by almost all Ryzen non-APU CPUs for less money (case in point: Ryzen 5 2600). Hell, you can even go for a Ryzen 5 3600 and still stay sneakingly under $500
     
    PCPartPicker Part List Type Item Price CPU AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor $199.00 @ B&H CPU Cooler Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition 42 CFM CPU Cooler $33.89 @ OutletPC Motherboard MSI B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard $114.89 @ OutletPC Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory $79.39 @ OutletPC Power Supply Corsair TXM Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply $69.99 @ Newegg   Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts     Total (before mail-in rebates) $547.16   Mail-in rebates -$50.00   Total $497.16   Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-01 11:21 EDT-0400   For this one you'll need either the board vendor to update the bios on the board to be Ryzen 3000 series compatible or request a (free) upgrade kit from AMD.
     
    I think you could wait out with your RX480 (unless it's dying) and save up some money so you can get a GPU you actually like for a build you're actually happy with rather than sticking a mild upgrade on the GPU from an RX480 to RX580 (waste of money in my opinion) and spending money on a CPU you can't take full advantage of and on a motherboard you're not happy with (can't do Crossfire although SLI/Crossfire is dying out unless you're a media creator or an enthusiast for that stuff).
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    AvogadrosDog got a reaction from diphendum in Is there any reason to get the X570 over the X470?   
    I haven't heard of anyone's X570 motherboard overheating. My MEG Ace chipset fan doesn't even switch on - although it does have a heatpipe which helps. But most other people I've seen on here with X570 motherboards can barely hear their chipset fan, most don't even turn on. I do agree that maybe using PCIe 4.0 may cause the fan to switch on but again I doubt it's to the level of "melting" your motherboard or the chipset burning out. My chipset tops out at around 46 degrees - with stress tests and so on. I'm not at all worried about that.
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    AvogadrosDog got a reaction from diphendum in Is there any reason to get the X570 over the X470?   
    Yup, most X570 boards have VRMs strong enough to run comfortably a 16-core chip (3950X). The motherboard tier list has even separated the X570 boards from B450 and X470 boards primarily because of VRMs. 
     
    Depends what you want to run in the end. If you want to stick with nothing higher than a 2600(X)/3600(X) or even the 2700(X)/3700X/3800X some of the X470 and B450 boards will run it fine.
  16. Agree
    AvogadrosDog reacted to paulmohr in Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) Voltage/Heat Problems Mega Thread [Updated 30/07/19]   
    My cinabench scores vary by more than 1 percent from run to run or depending on the day I run it lol. I wouldn't worry too much about it.
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    AvogadrosDog reacted to Princess Luna in 8700k vs idk   
    The i7 8700K is actually not compatible with the H170 chipset, 2133mhz memory will bottleneck any Coffee Lake i7.
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    AvogadrosDog reacted to Jurrunio in Is there any reason to get the X570 over the X470?   
    I know about that power draw thing, but I have never heard of overheating issues. That's specifically why all but 2 boards on X570 have a chipset fan. One is the Aorus Xtreme because the the VRM is too efficient to need its heatsink and the chipset is connected to it with a heatpipe, and the Asrock Aqua since its chipset is covered by a waterblock.
  19. Informative
    AvogadrosDog reacted to Master Disaster in Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) Voltage/Heat Problems Mega Thread [Updated 30/07/19]   
    Update 30/07/19
      
    Lots of fresh information and a new driver release from AMD.
     
    Before updating please do the following...
    Open Control Panel > Power Options Click Advanced Settings Select any default Windows profile For any Ryzen profile click Change Profile Settings Click Remove Profile  Repeat steps 4 & 5 for all Ryzen profiles After you've removed all the Ryzen profiles install the updated driver from here.
      
    There's also been an update to Ryzen Master and AMD now recommend you use only that to monitor temps and voltage.
      
    Get it from here
     
    Finally a new AGESA update has been sent to board manufacturers and is currently undergoing testing so please keep an eye out for a new bios release in the next few days. 
  20. Informative
    AvogadrosDog got a reaction from Zando_ in Stock cooler or aftermarket   
    I have a pair of Corsair ML140s which I could replace the stock fans with. I just find that the EVGA CLC 280 in the UK is a bit more expensive (roughly £130 on Amazon) whilst Amazon has a Corsair H115i for £100. But yeah, would definitely look at getting an AIO. I'm not used to dealing with hot chips and didn't think these Ryzen 3000 chips would get so toasty. I prefer my system to run cool and maybe in the far future I will play around with water loops.
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    AvogadrosDog got a reaction from FriedEngineer in X570 Taichi vs. the Gigabyte X570 Aorus Ultra vs. ROG Strix X570 for 3900x   
    Only issue with X570 Taichi is the internal USB-C header - it hits directly where the GPU will be in the PCIe slot closest to the CPU. Other than that, the Taichi is the best board at it's price point. The Aorus Ultra's only real issue is no POST code so if something goes wrong you have to guess based on some obscure LED lights. "ROG Strix" is slightly vague, do you mean the E or the F? the F shouldn't exist, it's not that good of a board compared to others especially at its price point (case in point: the Taichi and even the Aorus Ultra). The E is much better than probably any of the boards you mentioned but it's also way more expensive and if you're looking to spend that much on an Asus board you may as well go to the Crosshair VIII Hero (Wi-Fi). It all depends what you don't mind giving up; USB-C internal header (Taichi), POST code (Aorus Ultra) or way more money (ROG Strix E/Crosshair VIII Hero).
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    AvogadrosDog reacted to LukeSavenije in Motherboard Tier List (EOL)   
    update!
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    AvogadrosDog got a reaction from Vejnemojnen in Stock cooler or aftermarket   
    Wraith Spire/Stealth are not that great. Hell, even the Wraith Prism RGB I'm finding inadequate. I have to turn the fan profile to >70% for temps to be somewhat reasonable which is silly for a CPU running at stock.
     
    Point is, if you have the money then I would. I'm currently saving up for a 240/280 mm AIO.
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    AvogadrosDog reacted to paulmohr in Ryzen 3700X crashing on Cinebench R20 at stock - help   
    I personally don't use PBO. I played with it and didn't care for how it worked. I had higher full load temps and basically the same bench mark scores. I did have one instance where it was actually working pretty good but like a dumb ass I tried a different setting and when I went back it wasn't doing the same thing lol. I disabled it and just run my 3600 stock. If I want more performance I will just use "game mode" in my bios, which is basically and auto overclock function which gives me a really stable 4.2 overclock. Or I will just manually overclock. I can get like 4.25 out of it if I manually overclock it. However I decided that the slight increase in benchmark scores wasn't worth the extra heat and stress on my system so I just leave it at stock. It is more than enough for anything I need my computer to do. Considering what I upgraded from it pounds it in the dirt without messing with it. Maybe when they update the bios again I might try it again and see if it works better.
     
    Something to keep in mind when you are looking at temps, voltages and all that stuff in the monitoring software is that most of them really are not that accurate. I use them to see if something isn't crazy out of line, like its running all cores pegged at a super high voltage all the time, or the temperature rises to a high level and stays there under a load. From what I have been reading you really can't trust the random varying stuff it throws out second by second. From what I gather the voltage changes too fast for the software to actually keep up and read it correctly. So it might look like its staying at a high voltage more than it actually is. It might actually be jumping up and down and shifting from core to core but it just isn't getting shown properly on the software. Same with clock speeds. I noticed that on mine in ryzen master it shows the clock speeds dropping much lower than hwmonitor shows at times. And with temps I don't think the sensors themselves are all that accurate. I think the are mostly there to sense an extreme heat condition in order to protect the board or cpu. I have never measured anything that can change temperature as fast as I see on these monitors. I mean you can see temps that vary in 30c from one second to the next. I have seen my cpu temps jump around from 35c to 50c, back to 35c, then drop to 26c and shoot back up to 50c at idle in a matter of seconds. All the while my AIO water temp is at a steady temperature the whole time. I just don't see this happening. I think if you were to attach a thermal probe to the cpu or use one of those laser thermometers you would see a much more gradual change in temps.
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    AvogadrosDog got a reaction from MrMoonboots in Zen2 Voltages aren't exaggerated, Zen2 is a MESS   
    I definitely agree with this, the X570 boards seem to be uber generous with voltages and I'm suprised that MSI, in my case, have only put up two bios updates for my board and most of their X570 boards - thought they would be in a hurry to "fix" these issues (make voltages kinder to the system and its temps) but again, they're probably at the mercy of AMD and their AGESA updates and also it's not just about voltages; current is also part of the equation.
     
    I've never seen the board hit higher than 1.5v after the incident - I think a one-off fault may have occurred somewhere. The VID is also mega generous (anywhere from 1.43 to 1.45v, with periodic voltages sitting at 1.3-1.4v). My solution at the moment is either to run an offset of -0.05v maybe even -0.1v with PBO on and/or just wait for AMD to release their AGESA update after the last one turned out buggy.
     
    Side note: do you think that after my PC hit high temps and shut off that my CPU may have either got damaged or accelerated degradation? I like to think the PC shutting off as a sign that at least the safety measures are in place and working and saved my CPU?
     
     
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