Is there any reason to get the X570 over the X470?

[diphendum]

With the X570's advantages, it also has its heating problem that is still trying to be fixed. Would it be safer to just go with an X470 so I don't risk melting a $145+ motherboard just for faster PCI and USB? I'd love to have the more recent IO, but I really am worried the motherboard will get too hot. Not quite sure which one to go with. 

 

Edit: Alrighty so I was just being paranoid. Just the first time I've built a PC and picked parts completely on my own  thanks everyone that helped out ! 

[Epimetheus]

I don't think people are concerned about its temperature, but the fact that it has small fan makes it a subtle point of failure that might not be so obvious. But you don't get a buggy bios out of the box by going x570. It's just a choice i think

[Jurrunio]

15 minutes ago, diphendum said:

it also has its heating problem that is still trying to be fix

wut

[Caennanu]

From what i've read, note no experience, it is indeed mainly the fan that is required to cool the chipset. In time these tend to derail and start making noise.

On the other hand, the chipset will only get hot (allegedly) when you actually use / utilize the 4.0 bus. So if you don't use it, the fan should not spin and the problem should not arrise.

[diphendum]

59 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

wut

it literally gets too hot and uses 11w constantly, while other boards use around 5-6

[Jurrunio]

15 minutes ago, diphendum said:

it literally gets too hot and uses 11w constantly, while other boards use around 5-6

I know about that power draw thing, but I have never heard of overheating issues. That's specifically why all but 2 boards on X570 have a chipset fan. One is the Aorus Xtreme because the the VRM is too efficient to need its heatsink and the chipset is connected to it with a heatpipe, and the Asrock Aqua since its chipset is covered by a waterblock.

[Dubba]

Well, both X470 and X570 boards suffer from buggy BIOSes at the moment, no one is safe! Though some are more stable than others.

X570 chipset is a repurposed Ryzen I/O chip, from what I've read, and it doesn't have advanced power saving methods so it'll use more power even when nothing uses it. It doesn't downlock or idle in that sense. Also the fan is a big yikes. der8auer made a good video testing the power consumption and heat output a little while ago and he noted that it could be possible to cool x570 chipset by just slapping a moderate heatsink on it. It depends on a manufacturer whether the fan is loud af or inaudible and you could tweak the fan settings in BIOS of course. Just have a good airflow inside your case.

 

Price is also in favour of x470 and b450 for that matter.

You will only lose PCI4.0 from chipset by going with X470. I don't recall there being any new USB connections there. And, well, out-of-the-box Ryzen 3000 support.

 

[AvogadrosDog]

I haven't heard of anyone's X570 motherboard overheating. My MEG Ace chipset fan doesn't even switch on - although it does have a heatpipe which helps. But most other people I've seen on here with X570 motherboards can barely hear their chipset fan, most don't even turn on. I do agree that maybe using PCIe 4.0 may cause the fan to switch on but again I doubt it's to the level of "melting" your motherboard or the chipset burning out. My chipset tops out at around 46 degrees - with stress tests and so on. I'm not at all worried about that.

[Dubious]

Not bought anything yet and since most is out of stock until August or maybe even later, it doesn't matter at this point

I also want a case that is not released yet..  (Lian Li PC-011 XL)

[Ratisbona]

1 hour ago, AvogadrosDog said:

I haven't heard of anyone's X570 motherboard overheating. My MEG Ace chipset fan doesn't even switch on - although it does have a heatpipe which helps. But most other people I've seen on here with X570 motherboards can barely hear their chipset fan, most don't even turn on. I do agree that maybe using PCIe 4.0 may cause the fan to switch on but again I doubt it's to the level of "melting" your motherboard or the chipset burning out. My chipset tops out at around 46 degrees - with stress tests and so on. I'm not at all worried about that.

Same here, I have the x570 Taichi, which has quite an annoying sounding fan on the Chipset. But I simply changed the fan curve to only ramp up when it hits about 80°, and I've never heard it since. In normal use the temps sit around 60° under gaming up to 70, but absolutely not meling the board. 

[caldrin]

Only benefits are pcie 4.0 if you want to use really fast storage and also generally better vrm setups.. but you can of course get good VRMs on the older boards but generally most of the x570s have really nice VRM setups.

[AvogadrosDog]

3 hours ago, caldrin said:

Only benefits are pcie 4.0 if you want to use really fast storage and also generally better vrm setups.. but you can of course get good VRMs on the older boards but generally most of the x570s have really nice VRM setups.

Yup, most X570 boards have VRMs strong enough to run comfortably a 16-core chip (3950X). The motherboard tier list has even separated the X570 boards from B450 and X470 boards primarily because of VRMs. 

 

Depends what you want to run in the end. If you want to stick with nothing higher than a 2600(X)/3600(X) or even the 2700(X)/3700X/3800X some of the X470 and B450 boards will run it fine.

[paulmohr]

The advantage to an X570 board is you won't have to flash the bios to get it to work with a 3000 series cpu, faster PCI speeds IF you have the new expensive hardware that can use it. And for the average person they would probably never notice the difference anyway. And possibly some future proofing for stuff later on down the road.

 

Downside is they cost more, have a fan cooled chipset and use more power than older boards. As for stuff being buggy and the bios issues, X570 boards are having issues as well. It isn't limited to the older boards. It is all based on the code that AMD released so some of the issues it doesn't matter what board you buy or who you buy it from. And I think I saw where one of the companies (asus I believe) had crazy high voltage settings out of the box.

 

Unless you simply don't want to mess with flashing the bios to get the board to work, or there is a specific X570 board that has features you can't find on a previous gen chipset board I would save the money and get something a bit older. And you will still end up having to re flash the bios at some point because there will be updates, but the X570s will boot up out of the box which makes it less of a hassle unless you have an older ryzen cpu or the older board you have has bios flashback where a cpu isn't required to do it.

 

VRMs are of little concern honestly. If you buy a decent board the vrms should be more than capable of supporting that cpu.

 

My opinions anway, and really they are only that. I don't test boards for a living or in my spare time or anything. I have just watched hours and hours of reviews in the past few weeks.

[3NT]

There appears to be difference between X570 and X470, with multiple M.2 slots.  On X570, two slots would both be Gen4, but the second might be throttled by the chipset, which it uses.  Same setup on the X470, but the chipset is PCIe 2.0.  If you think you might want to use that slot, X570 appears to be better, even for a Gen3 NVME such as a 970 EVO [Plus].