David89

Personally, i think Adored TV is absolutely in the Right here. I have done Tech Journalism a few years ago and it's one hell of a balancing act sometimes. Not because of the content, but because of what you would like to have as a result. So it's very easy to "tune" the results in various ways.
 
However, this whole thing has been blown out of proportions and yes, Jim did react harsh and very strict in his responses to PCPer. Is that a problem? No. Is it unfair? Maybe. Does this make him a hypocrite? No, not in my opinion, because the underlying theme is different. He called out PCPer based on published Information by them - with Facts against the arguments/results made by PCPer. The Medium is irrelevant, so it could also be an article in a local newspaper - PCPer published that Information knowingly and Jims calling out is just as valid.

Incorrect. Watch from 30:01 on the original video by AdoredTV.
 
Quote:
"This is the Radeon Pro Website, where you can purchase Vega on Amazon with an affiliate link that should be owned by AMD. Amd are the ones that should be getting the commission for each sale through their own website. But instead, PC Perspective, will be getting paid around 4-5% for every single Vega Frontier Edition sale. These cards were how much? 1500$, 5% of that? How many people do you think actually bought these cards through Radeon Pro website? And as if that wasn't bad enough, this is extremely important information. This is a direct link, basically going straight to the item with PC perspective Affiliate tag, PC perspective will know exactly how many of these AMD have sold through the website. I have got absolutely no words to describe how I feel about this" 
 

Had the same problem. I'm on an Asrock AB350 Pro and every time i tried to go over 4 GHz and 1.4V with the "simple" Overclock, it didn't accept the values, because it doesn't turn off the C-State Management. So the CPU just refused to accept the values and fell back to the "last" valid C-State - which is 1.55 GHz on a Ryzen.
 
Reset everything to standard, install the newest Bios and try again. If that doesn't work, look in to "AMD PBS Settings". Asrock made it overly complicated with the newer Bios Versions...i'll see if i can make some quick screenshots.

you cant unpublish an article sure but you can fix the disclosure problems, and in both the article and the video he did the bare minimum to count as "addressed", he added a small disclaimer in the conclusion which should also be on the first page, and in the video the tittle is the same and its incorrect they only added a link in the description with no explanation as to why someone should read the other article, very easy to miss, what is a ghosting comparison between 2 displays is being posted as freesync vs g-sync, they should just put the video down or really changing the tittle. 
The family card here has no ground to stand at all, as jim isn't responsible for what other people do.

Personally, i think Adored TV is absolutely in the Right here. I have done Tech Journalism a few years ago and it's one hell of a balancing act sometimes. Not because of the content, but because of what you would like to have as a result. So it's very easy to "tune" the results in various ways.
 
However, this whole thing has been blown out of proportions and yes, Jim did react harsh and very strict in his responses to PCPer. Is that a problem? No. Is it unfair? Maybe. Does this make him a hypocrite? No, not in my opinion, because the underlying theme is different. He called out PCPer based on published Information by them - with Facts against the arguments/results made by PCPer. The Medium is irrelevant, so it could also be an article in a local newspaper - PCPer published that Information knowingly and Jims calling out is just as valid.

Personally, i think Adored TV is absolutely in the Right here. I have done Tech Journalism a few years ago and it's one hell of a balancing act sometimes. Not because of the content, but because of what you would like to have as a result. So it's very easy to "tune" the results in various ways.
 
However, this whole thing has been blown out of proportions and yes, Jim did react harsh and very strict in his responses to PCPer. Is that a problem? No. Is it unfair? Maybe. Does this make him a hypocrite? No, not in my opinion, because the underlying theme is different. He called out PCPer based on published Information by them - with Facts against the arguments/results made by PCPer. The Medium is irrelevant, so it could also be an article in a local newspaper - PCPer published that Information knowingly and Jims calling out is just as valid.

How old are you? like 12? what a terrible response.

Why? PC Per acted unprofessionally and were unethical.

List of them:
Text Version of that Review: https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/intel_core_i7_7820x_skylake_x_review/1
 
Anandtechs Version:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11550/the-intel-skylakex-review-core-i9-7900x-i7-7820x-and-i7-7800x-tested
 
To be Honest, i'm not really impressed. Anandtech also is pretty biased, compared to the Ryzen Launch, where everything was tested right out of the box, with all of ryzens "flaws" in the beginning.
But, Performance wise...nearly 180 Watt more Power Draw, than the R7 1800X and it has not obliterated Ryzen. Also: OC3D's Ryzen results are the ones from the launch of Ryzen, without optimisations.
 
Bit Disappointing.

Yeah, that "1" shouldn't be there. It's 82 Watts more@stock. Sorry!
 
 
 
Yeah, but you can get the R7 1700. There is just one single 8-Core from Intel, that is overclockable. You can get the 1700 to just about the same clocks as the 1800X. If you overclock with P-States, Power Draw most of the time is around 90 Watts. h.264 btw. uses AVX-2. And there they are pretty much on par with the i7-6950x (provided the clock speeds are decent). There is just no comparison for someone, who will be overclocking the chip anyway. Getting the 7820X over the 1700 is just insanely stupid, unless you really, really need that last bit of power for very certain tasks.
 
Also: The 6700K/7700K both run with over 4 GHz on AVX. Not for long, but they do and if you overclock them, they will longer. So, the comparison in itself is kind of flawed. I mean, even SKL-X is an over 4 year old architecture, that has been optimized. If Ryzen hits 4.5 GHz with some optimisations, i'm mildly optimistic, they will get extremely close to coffee lake with Zen 2.

List of them:
Text Version of that Review: https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/intel_core_i7_7820x_skylake_x_review/1
 
Anandtechs Version:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11550/the-intel-skylakex-review-core-i9-7900x-i7-7820x-and-i7-7800x-tested
 
To be Honest, i'm not really impressed. Anandtech also is pretty biased, compared to the Ryzen Launch, where everything was tested right out of the box, with all of ryzens "flaws" in the beginning.
But, Performance wise...nearly 180 Watt more Power Draw, than the R7 1800X and it has not obliterated Ryzen. Also: OC3D's Ryzen results are the ones from the launch of Ryzen, without optimisations.
 
Bit Disappointing.

Yeah, that "1" shouldn't be there. It's 82 Watts more@stock. Sorry!
 
 
 
Yeah, but you can get the R7 1700. There is just one single 8-Core from Intel, that is overclockable. You can get the 1700 to just about the same clocks as the 1800X. If you overclock with P-States, Power Draw most of the time is around 90 Watts. h.264 btw. uses AVX-2. And there they are pretty much on par with the i7-6950x (provided the clock speeds are decent). There is just no comparison for someone, who will be overclocking the chip anyway. Getting the 7820X over the 1700 is just insanely stupid, unless you really, really need that last bit of power for very certain tasks.
 
Also: The 6700K/7700K both run with over 4 GHz on AVX. Not for long, but they do and if you overclock them, they will longer. So, the comparison in itself is kind of flawed. I mean, even SKL-X is an over 4 year old architecture, that has been optimized. If Ryzen hits 4.5 GHz with some optimisations, i'm mildly optimistic, they will get extremely close to coffee lake with Zen 2.

List of them:
Text Version of that Review: https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/intel_core_i7_7820x_skylake_x_review/1
 
Anandtechs Version:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11550/the-intel-skylakex-review-core-i9-7900x-i7-7820x-and-i7-7800x-tested
 
To be Honest, i'm not really impressed. Anandtech also is pretty biased, compared to the Ryzen Launch, where everything was tested right out of the box, with all of ryzens "flaws" in the beginning.
But, Performance wise...nearly 180 Watt more Power Draw, than the R7 1800X and it has not obliterated Ryzen. Also: OC3D's Ryzen results are the ones from the launch of Ryzen, without optimisations.
 
Bit Disappointing.

List of them:
Text Version of that Review: https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/intel_core_i7_7820x_skylake_x_review/1
 
Anandtechs Version:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11550/the-intel-skylakex-review-core-i9-7900x-i7-7820x-and-i7-7800x-tested
 
To be Honest, i'm not really impressed. Anandtech also is pretty biased, compared to the Ryzen Launch, where everything was tested right out of the box, with all of ryzens "flaws" in the beginning.
But, Performance wise...nearly 180 Watt more Power Draw, than the R7 1800X and it has not obliterated Ryzen. Also: OC3D's Ryzen results are the ones from the launch of Ryzen, without optimisations.
 
Bit Disappointing.

The rest of the Thread has become so much Intel-Fanboy Bullshit, that i'm going to ignore the majority of it, but i can't let this stand. That is so much Bullcrap, that at first i thought this is sarcasm. But i fear, it is not.
 
I have had SO MANY FRIGGIN problems with Intel and Linux, i can't even begin to write up all the hacks i had to do in nearly 10 years of Desktop-Linux and Intel GPUs. Yes, AMD Cards do have their quirks, but most of the time they are minor and at least they work, so you can do stuff with it. Yes, the Performance of FGLRX was apaling. Yes, it was sometimes a bit tedious to get it working with the newest Kernel release. But at least it worked and wasn't completely broken. Intel has F***** up so much in that regard, that at least for me, this was one of the main reasons to go all AMD.
But just some highlights of Intel GPUs with Linux:
- Random Xorg Crashes (STILL not solved! This bug exists since 2015 for Christ sake!)
- Random Xorg Freezes/lockups (Since mid 2016 and only on Sandy Bridge or newer - still, annoying)
- DRI2 incompatibilitys since 2011.
- Refresh rate of some DP-Connected F-HD Displays defaults to 30 Hz and can only be switched with heavy xorg.conf tinkering
 
I'm not even going to mention the problems i had with video acceleration.
 
Problems i had with AMD?
- Downgrading Xorg
- Back in the day with Compiz, Video Acceleration would crash everything when Compiz was running
- A bit lower performance.
Inconvenient. But nothing major. Performance not being on par with Windows is the same on NV, AMD and Intel. But personally, i don't care. Hitman 2016 runs with 60 FPS on my RX 480. Since i absolutely don't care for pointless *****-measuring contests, i'd rather have a system i can at least use and doesn't lock up every 20-30 Minutes. (And if you are running Openbox, LXDE or something else - a freaking calculator could run that)
 
And i'm not even going to begin with the appalling unfair commercial practices Intel committed over the years.
 
Am i an AMD Fanboy? Maybe. But it could also be VIA, Cyrix or IBM. I actually don't care, as long as it's everything but Intel. Unfortunately i still have to sell Intel Craptastic stuff in my day job. But this will change with Ryzen Pro. And you know what? The average customer doesn't care for peak performance. The average consumer, where the money is made, cares for future proof hardware, that can be upgraded. AM4 is going to be around at least till 2020.
 
There is not one single reason, why the average consumer should buy Intel. And even the advanced user doesn't have a single reason to buy Intel.
 
I have two Virtual Machines running on my Arch Linux Ryzen R5 1600. One is doing some...eh..."Musical Stuff" (if you know, what i mean), the other one is running Lightroom. Both have 2 Cores/4 Threads assigned each. And i can still use Linux to surf the web without any problems. The i3 is dead, the i5 will die and the i7 will be the Dodge Viper (Phase SR and ZB...the VX is basically a Ferrari)  nobody except some enthusiast want's to buy. Absolutely, blazingly fast in a straight line. Everywhere else, there are better alternatives, which are still very fast in a straight line - but can go round corners properly.
 
And since i am working in retail for a few years now - the enthusiast platform may be running pretty decent. But H110, B150, B250 are so crappy, i get at least one system per week, that isn't running properly. Not to mention, that TPM, vPro and other "Pro" stuff is missing on every chip, except the Q-Series, where even the A320 from AMD has a TPM.

My comment on IDE adapter adventure :
Doing old stuff can be challenging

Maybe next Scrapyard Wars theme should be "retro" (instead of RGB) ?
For example :
1) Build the fastest PC with a functioning AGP slot on MB (AGP + PCI-e is "OK", if AGP works).
2) Building best PC using LGA 1156/1366* or AM3(+) platform (*1366 is almost 10Y old + I wish Linus/Luke had the time to get that server stuff to work )

I would love to see something like this in the future...

Other :
Extending the time to do any Scrapyard Wars to a whole week (7 Days, that's 5 working days).

Filming all of that could be hard, and getting second or even a third editor to get things together may be a must in this case.
BUT this would enable shipping options (ie. no need to fly anywhere to get the best parts... if you are fast enough on first few days).

its the greatest thing when you can hide your PC in a closet and have a single thunderbolt cable to your setup. It's beautiful

You've got to explain that one.
Right, i totally forgot about that. But who needs Thunderbolt 3 on a Desktop (except Linus...)?

Personally, i would recommend you a FritzBox, but i'm not sure if they are available in Canada.
 
About your Wifi: This isn't easy to answer, because it depends on how your house has been built. As for Powerline: I've got the TP-Link 1200 Mbit ones, they are actually pretty decent. As with everything regarding powerline, get one with a "throughplug" (not sure how to call it). I get around 400 Mbit on them.
 
Edit: This one looks decent: https://www.amazon.ca/TP-Link-Wireless-Router-1300Mbps-Beamforming/dp/B00PDLRHFW
Also does Beamforming, which can help A LOT.
 
These are the Powerline Adapters i am using: https://www.amazon.ca/TP-Link-TL-PA8030P-KIT-Powerline-Pass-through/dp/B00Y3QPG1A/

Yes, they do block the upper power outlet if there is one and depending on the shape of your outlets - bit unfortunate, but i personally can live with that.
 
Depends on the Model, the Archer ones have been pretty decent for me, few RMAs, but nothing major. The cheaper ones are absolut crap...
 
Buit apart from that, @kirashis recommendation is even better

We all live in hope that Intel starts pricing their products at reasonable levels, I am not holding my breath though

Overclocking on a Workstation is a no-no. Considering what Intel has announced for their i9 Series and what Base-Clocks they are going to run: Intel has not a single chance. Especially considering how extremely power efficient Ryzen can be. I can run my 1600 at 1,2V@3,5 GHz. Wanna know what the whole PC with a RX480 pulls from the wall? 21 Watts at Idle. That's just insanely good and Intel has nothing, that can rival that. Intel's 6-Core is so far beyond "worse" in this case - it's like trying to compare the FX9590 against a i7-7700K at 5 GHz. Oh - wait...at 5 GHz the 7700K does use pretty much the same amount of power than the FX...

It's a RAW, Bit for Bit Clone, with an SHA-2 hash...
 
Not sure where it could have been become corrupted - apart from the FPS not being on par in some Games, it runs really good...
 
Edit: Alright, going to reinstall Windows 10 right now.

6-Core Laptops will probably happen. My R5 1600 does use about 60 Watt at 1,1 VCore and 3,3 GHz...
 
And i'm super stocked...maybe we finally get (decent!) AMD Thinkpads

Overclocking on a Workstation is a no-no. Considering what Intel has announced for their i9 Series and what Base-Clocks they are going to run: Intel has not a single chance. Especially considering how extremely power efficient Ryzen can be. I can run my 1600 at 1,2V@3,5 GHz. Wanna know what the whole PC with a RX480 pulls from the wall? 21 Watts at Idle. That's just insanely good and Intel has nothing, that can rival that. Intel's 6-Core is so far beyond "worse" in this case - it's like trying to compare the FX9590 against a i7-7700K at 5 GHz. Oh - wait...at 5 GHz the 7700K does use pretty much the same amount of power than the FX...