Law Enforcement Freaks Out Over Apple & Google's Decision To Encrypt Phone Info By Default

[Victorious Secret]

 

In a nutshell, the law is crying because companies figured out how to work around the law and ensure better privacy for their consumers AND ensure that law enforcement agencies only come asking when its well and truly required. 

 

Can Apple or Google get into a "encrypted" phone. You bet your ass they can if they really wanted to. They've just now added language that absolves them from any responsibility to do so, in a move that protects your rights as a consumer. 

 

Maybe the law should law better instead of attempting to abuse their power in gaining information they really have no business gaining. 

 

 

 

 

One Justice Department official said that if the new systems work as advertised, they will make it harder, if not impossible, to solve some cases. Another said the companies have promised customers "the equivalent of a house that can't be searched, or a car trunk that could never be opened.'' 

Andrew Weissmann, a former Federal Bureau of Investigation general counsel, called Apple's announcement outrageous, because even a judge's decision that there is probable cause to suspect a crime has been committed won't get Apple to help retrieve potential evidence. Apple is "announcing to criminals, 'use this,' " he said. "You could have people who are defrauded, threatened, or even at the extreme, terrorists using it.'' 

The level of privacy described by Apple and Google is "wonderful until it's your kid who is kidnapped and being abused, and because of the technology, we can't get to them,'' said Ronald Hosko, who left the FBI earlier this year as the head of its criminal-investigations division. "Who's going to get lost because of this, and we're not going to crack the case?"

 

 

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140923/07120428605/law-enforcement-freaks-out-over-apple-googles-decision-to-encrypt-phone-info-default.shtml

[Freaky_spider]

they should really stop crying about the whole 'but we cant solve crimes then'

 

maybe just ask to have his data? is it really that hard?

[dizmo]

Just knew they'd pull out the terrorist card.

Guess you'll have to do what they've done for the past couple hundred years and do some good old detective work. There are always other fingerprints.

[Victorious Secret]

Just knew they'd pull out the terrorist card.

Guess you'll have to do what they've done for the past couple hundred years and do some good old detective work. There are always other fingerprints.

 

Lets wait for them to update the Patriot Act to somehow overrule the decision by tech companies to encrypt data. 

 

We all know it'll happen. 

 

Because terrorists. 

[Dicehunter]

Awww american law enforcers crying about not being able to police the world properly and invade peoples privacy ? Awwww poor booboo.

[Lays]

Isn't that why we have warrants

 

[The_Evenger]

who didn't see this coming?

 

but on the other hand, what do you have to hide?

 

Edit:

 

Isn't that why we have warrants

 

^this.

[Misanthrope]

Lets wait for them to update the Patriot Act to somehow overrule the decision by tech companies to encrypt data. 

 

We all know it'll happen. 

 

Because terrorists. 

 

The official version is "Because terrorists" However we're not that far away from them giving you the actual real reason of "Because fuck you, that's why"

[StingBull]

who didn't see this coming?

 

but on the other hand, what do you have to hide?

 

Yes, what do you have to hide from the state and glorious godleader Obama, comrade?

[ManWithBeard1990]

Because of the technology you can't get to them? Relax bro, you got to them before the technology was there, you'll get to them now. It'll be harder, but it's your job so stop crying.

[dizmo]

Lets wait for them to update the Patriot Act to somehow overrule the decision by tech companies to encrypt data. 

 

We all know it'll happen. 

 

Because terrorists. 

Yup. Always amazes me how many Americans are willing to give up rights because of a threat.

Then again...what do you expect? The US controls their citizens largely through fear.

 

I think more countries should be like France. Just riot till something changes, and you get what you want.

[RH00D]

"The level of privacy described by Apple and Google is "wonderful until it's your kid who is kidnapped and being abused, and because of the technology, we can't get to them"

 

Ah, the classic "Somebody think of the children!!!" line. Hitler loved the "think of the children" line.

 

I suppose since they can't get into a cell phone now and that means they can't find a kidnapped kid, so what did they do before cell phones? Every person kidnapped before cell phones was gone forever because a cell phone is the only way to track a kidnapped child? This makes no sense. Besides, a phone being encrypted does not prevent it from being physically tracked.

[Victorious Secret]

Yup. Always amazes me how many Americans are willing to give up rights because of a threat.

Then again...what do you expect? The US controls their citizens largely through fear.

 

I think more countries should be like France. Just riot till something changes, and you get what you want.

 

Americans sacrifice liberty for security, and they deserve neither. And they somehow think they are safer now than they were a decade ago. 

 

"The level of privacy described by Apple and Google is "wonderful until it's your kid who is kidnapped and being abused, and because of the technology, we can't get to them"

 

Ah, the classic "Somebody think of the children!!!" line. Hitler loved the "think of the children" line.

 

I suppose since they can't get into a cell phone now and that means they can't find a kidnapped kid, so what did they do before cell phones? Every person kidnapped before cell phones was gone forever because a cell phone is the only way to track a kidnapped child? This makes no sense. Besides, a phone being encrypted does not prevent it from being physically tracked.

 

Yup, these agencies somehow forgot that if it comes down to kidnapping that Apple and co. WILL cooperate and they WILL crack open their own encryption. They just have no reason to submit to bullshit requests anymore nor do they have to make it easy for you to request information. 

[dizmo]

Americans sacrifice liberty for security, and they deserve neither. And they somehow think they are safer now than they were a decade ago. 

 

 

Yup, these agencies somehow forgot that if it comes down to kidnapping that Apple and co. WILL cooperate and they WILL crack open their own encryption. They just have no reason to submit to bullshit requests anymore nor do they have to make it easy for you to request information. 

Because they have more guns than a decade ago

[RainColt]

Yup, these agencies somehow forgot that if it comes down to kidnapping that Apple and co. WILL cooperate and they WILL crack open their own encryption. They just have no reason to submit to bullshit requests anymore nor do they have to make it easy for you to request information. 

 Are you sure about that? I mean if you give a mouse a cookie. Apple does this in the case of a kidnapping then they show that they can do it and might be expected to do it, but if they stay stead fast with "we cant access your data" then they cant be expected to do something that they've never shown the ability to do.

[Exotath]

If there are exigent circumstances they don't need to crack any encryption to ping a phone for its location....it is based off of cell tower data transmissions. It is a cooperative effort between law enforcement and service providers that does have to be backed up with a warrant within a reasonable time frame. This should not affect kidnappings as insinuated for recovering a person.

[LAwLz]

Yup, these agencies somehow forgot that if it comes down to kidnapping that Apple and co. WILL cooperate and they WILL crack open their own encryption. They just have no reason to submit to bullshit requests anymore nor do they have to make it easy for you to request information.

Apple claims to not be able to decrypt the devices though, so even if they had a warrant and a legit case Apple wouldn't be able to do anything. The same goes for Google.

It's not like they need to anyway. I am pretty sure terrorist groups and other dangerous criminals know to how press "encrypt device" so to me this doesn't really have any drawbacks. The average Joe gets protection they didn't know about before, and criminals most likely used encryption to begin with so it doesn't change anything for them.

I really hate the "think of the children" argument. I want Hosho to look up "argumentum ad passiones", and maybe he will realize what a dumbass he is for crying "think of the children".

Besides, this is their own fault. If they had only focused on monitoring criminals to begin with this wouldn't have happened. They overstepped their boundaries and people are fed up with them.

[deviant88]

Get ready for the ultimate blow,next time a terrorist attack occurs,they will plant a phone on the terrorist when they catch him that is encrypted and then all the dementia begins.

[TAK]

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[Gentleman_Sandwich]

Because of the technology you can't get to them? Relax bro, you got to them before the technology was there, you'll get to them now. It'll be harder, but it's your job so stop crying.

So true!

[Gentleman_Sandwich]

I suppose since they can't get into a cell phone now and that means they can't find a kidnapped kid, so what did they do before cell phones? Every person kidnapped before cell phones was gone forever because a cell phone is the only way to track a kidnapped child? This makes no sense. Besides, a phone being encrypted does not prevent it from being physically tracked.

I was thinking the same thing! On the tracking that is. Other than that good point.

[jaggysnake57]

Americans sacrifice liberty for security, and they deserve neither.

 

i hate this quote because its such bullshit.....for a start off franklin said

 

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

your information on your phone is not an essential liberty and your not giving it up for temporary safety....not to mention that this was written nearly 260 years ago in a time with out electricity let alone the level of communication we have today. seriously why do you think there hasn't been a major terrorist attack since 911? what the all sat back and said "hey that's it were done now"  bullshit.  as we become more entwined with our tech so the level of intrusiveness needed to carry out modern detective work will increase. this isn't the government wanting to see what you had fro dinner last night this is your information being a by product of catching the people that try to do you harm

[NateGSR117]

Finally get to stick it to them. I'm a little happier hearing this.

[Yoinkerman]

So get a fucking warrant that states Joe blow has to unlock his phone to be searched. They can't search my house without one, my phone shouldn't be different.

[Trik'Stari]

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Right, until someone overhears you say something disparaging about dear leader and then you get sent to a work camp for "thought crime"