Fortnite conspiracy? O3O

[Nena Trinity]

How come the iPhone 8 can play PUBG despite having 2GB or RAM and Android demand 3GB of RAM? What is this Epic/Samsung conspiracy against the people? Also why does it also say on some devices with 3GB of RAM that the GPU is not "supported" this is pure BS when the iPhone 6S/SE can play Fortnite, this is clearly a conspiracy! O3O

[EnergyEclipse]

6 minutes ago, Nena360 said:

How come the iPhone 8 can play PUBG despite having 2GB or RAM and Android demand 3GB of RAM? What is this Epic/Samsung conspiracy against the people? Also why does it also say on some devices with 3GB of RAM that the GPU is not "supported" this is pure BS when the iPhone 6S/SE can play Fortnite, this is clearly a conspiracy! O3O

There is a magic thing called Optimization. Think about it this way: It is really hard to develop a game for a sole type of computer since there are billions of combination and variations people have.

 

However, when you take a look at something like an iPhone X, they're all pretty much the same specifications just some with more storage or a different color. So it is a lot easier to develop a game to run smoothly on that sort of hardware since there isn't billions of variations. 

 

I hope this helps!

[Nena Trinity]

1 minute ago, EnergyEclipse said:

There is a magic thing called Optimization. 

They better "optimize" it better so I can play it on a Mali T830/860MP2 or else me and everyone else who has equally powered GPUs such as the Honor 7X, P20 Lite & my Honor 6C Pro is not usable... =3=

[Wh0_Am_1]

38 minutes ago, Nena360 said:

How come the iPhone 8 can play PUBG despite having 2GB or RAM and Android demand 3GB of RAM? What is this Epic/Samsung conspiracy against the people? Also why does it also say on some devices with 3GB of RAM that the GPU is not "supported" this is pure BS when the iPhone 6S/SE can play Fortnite, this is clearly a conspiracy! O3O

... Android is an operating system designed to run on a thousand different phones, it requires additional layers of software to run properly all those different phones, just like a windows PC, the game also needs to be designed to run on all those phones, and work with at least 3 different releases of Android (Marsh mellow, Nougat, Oreo, and now the upcoming Pie), that doesn't even factor in the changes that the manufacturers and the carriers make to the Android operating system before you install it on your phone, also Apple employs a different design philosophy that requires more processing power, and less RAM when they build there OSes, that is why they can get away with less RAM. And I am just getting started, as much as I would like to agree with you that Tencent it out ruin everything, they don't really like Samsung, though, I could see how they could also be adding spyware to their games to steal everyone's data...

[Nena Trinity]

2 minutes ago, Wh0_Am_1 said:

... Android is an operating system designed to run on a thousand different phones, it requires additional layers of software to run properly all those different phones, just like a windows PC, the game also needs to be designed to run on all those phones, and work with at least 3 different releases of Android (Marsh mellow, Nougat, Oreo, and now the upcoming Pie), that doesn't even factor in the changes that the manufacturers and the carriers make to the Android operating system before you install it on your phone, also Apple employs a different design philosophy that requires more processing power, and less RAM when they build there OSes, that is why they can get away with less RAM. And I am just getting started, as much as I would like to agree with you that Tencent it out ruin everything, they don't really like Samsung, though, I could see how they could also be adding spyware to their games to steal everyone's data...

PUBG does fine with 2GB but that Fortnite demands 3GB is outrage when they wont even give us PVE! Not to mention this GPU unsupported bullcrap is really annoying, this better be fixed post beta... =3=

[Wh0_Am_1]

1 minute ago, Nena360 said:

PUBG does fine with 2GB but that Fortnite demands 3GB is outrage when they wont even give us PVE! Not to mention this GPU unsupported bullcrap is really annoying, this better be fixed post beta... =3=

Wait are we talking about phones or Graphics cards?

[Nena Trinity]

1 minute ago, Wh0_Am_1 said:

Wait are we talking about phones or Graphics cards?

SoC chip graphics.

[Wh0_Am_1]

 

5 minutes ago, Nena360 said:

PUBG does fine with 2GB but that Fortnite demands 3GB is outrage when they wont even give us PVE! Not to mention this GPU unsupported bullcrap is really annoying, this better be fixed post beta... =3=

Well PUBG only lets you play with other phone users, and the mobile version is considered a joke right now >_> Fortnite on the other hand will let you play with desktop and console users.

[Nena Trinity]

2 minutes ago, Wh0_Am_1 said:

 

Well PUBG only lets you play with other phone users, and the mobile version is considered a joke right now >_> Fortnite on the other hand will let you play with desktop and console users.

Its no joke it runs better than real PUBG! Also I see no reason why devices such as Mate 10 Lite and P20 Lite should not be able to load the game, they are mid-range devices no? O3O

[PlayStation 2]

1. Optimization. iOS has a lot more in optimization that you can squeeze out of it that you can't simply do with most Android devices to a greater extent.

2. Overhead. iOS was basically designed for the hardware it runs on, so Apple was able to squeeze whatever the fuck they could out of even the older devices running the latest OSes. Android doesn't have that luxury for numerous reasons, so it will require more RAM than iOS will.

[Commodus]

Dan said it well, but to put it another way way: 2GB on an iPhone is like 4GB of RAM on an Android phone.  You arguably want more regardless (the 8 Plus and X have 3GB), but it's more than adequate because of how efficient iOS is.

[Nena Trinity]

3 hours ago, Commodus said:

Dan said it well, but to put it another way way: 2GB on an iPhone is like 4GB of RAM on an Android phone.  You arguably want more regardless (the 8 Plus and X have 3GB), but it's more than adequate because of how efficient iOS is.

The iPhone 6S & SE is not better in terms of SoC than the honor 7X & P20 Lite right? =3=

[Commodus]

5 minutes ago, Nena360 said:

The iPhone 6S & SE is not better in terms of SoC than the honor 7X & P20 Lite right? =3=

Better than those two Huawei phones?  Quite possibly!  The Kirin 659 is a mid-tier chip in a lineup that isn't as fast as the latest phones to start with, where the A9 in the iPhone 6s/SE was the gold standard for performance at the time.I don't have benchmarks against the A9, but the Kirin chip tends to be outperformed by the Snapdragon 625.  Combine that with software efficiencies and that might be enough for the iPhone to have the performance edge.

 

 

[Nena Trinity]

2 minutes ago, Commodus said:

Better than those two Huawei phones?  Quite possibly!  The Kirin 659 is a mid-tier chip in a lineup that isn't as fast as the latest phones to start with, where the A9 in the iPhone 6s/SE was the gold standard for performance at the time.I don't have benchmarks against the A9, but the Kirin chip tends to be outperformed by the Snapdragon 625.  Combine that with software efficiencies and that might be enough for the iPhone to have the performance edge.

 

 

By how much? 25%, 50% umm a 100%? O3O Unless it is a 100% then Epic has no excuse to not give us Fortnite on Mali-T8X0MP2 GPUs! D:<

[Commodus]

Just now, Nena360 said:

By how much? 25%, 50% umm a 100%? O3O Unless it is a 100% then Epic has no excuse to give us Fortnite on Mali-T8X0MP2 GPUs! D:<

It's hard to say, because you're comparing both different architectures and operating systems.

 

I also suspect it's just a question of support resources.  Making sure a game works across dozens of high-end devices is hard enough, let alone throwing mid-range devices into the mix.

[Nena Trinity]

6 minutes ago, Commodus said:

It's hard to say, because you're comparing both different architectures and operating systems.

 

I also suspect it's just a question of support resources.  Making sure a game works across dozens of high-end devices is hard enough, let alone throwing mid-range devices into the mix.

Well last time I tried to boot up Fortnite it told me my GPU was not compatlible or supported some bullshit, I do not see how a pile of shit on a dual-core can be supported over a modern device! https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=7242&idPhone2=8880 The only decent thing is the 6-core GPU which is a few years older so I cannot imagine it being 3 times better even if it is how the hell can Fortnite run better on a dual-core? O3O

[Commodus]

3 minutes ago, Nena360 said:

Well last time I tried to boot up Fortnite it told me my GPU was not compatlible or supported some bullshit, I do not see how a pile of shit on a dual-core can be supported over a modern device! https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=7242&idPhone2=8880 The only decent thing is the 6-core GPU which is a few years older so I cannot imagine it being 3 times better even if it is how the hell can Fortnite run better on a dual-core? O3O

Well, first: core count (and clock speed, for that matter) isn't everything!

 

To start, many multi-core CPUs on Android are somewhat misleading in terms of performance.  The individual cores on a Kirin or Snapdragon chip typically don't do as much work per cycle as Apple's devices.  And of course, half the cores on many Android phones are actually low-power units that only kick in to save battery, not to improve performance.  In the comparison you linked, it's more like you're pitting two relatively strong cores against four so-so cores.

 

And believe it or not, I'd still give Apple the advantage in graphics despite the A9 being from 2015.  It was not only high-end for the time, it held up well against high-end mobile graphics from phones in 2016 and beyond.  Think of it like pitting a GTX 980 (maybe even a 780) against a GT 1050.  The 1050 might be much newer, but the 980 has so much raw computational power that it will win through brute force.

 

[Nena Trinity]

1 minute ago, Commodus said:

Well, first: core count (and clock speed, for that matter) isn't everything!

 

To start, many multi-core CPUs on Android are somewhat misleading in terms of performance.  The individual cores on a Kirin or Snapdragon chip typically don't do as much work per cycle as Apple's devices.  And of course, half the cores on many Android phones are actually low-power units that only kick in to save battery, not to improve performance.  In the comparison you linked, it's more like you're pitting two relatively strong cores against four so-so cores.

 

And believe it or not, I'd still give Apple the advantage in graphics despite the A9 being from 2015.  It was not only high-end for the time, it held up well against high-end mobile graphics from phones in 2016 and beyond.  Think of it like pitting a GTX 980 (maybe even a 780) against a GT 1050.  The 1050 might be much newer, but the 980 has so much raw computational power that it will win through brute force.

 

So Epic will not support mid-range devices? No wonder they did not release it on Google Play people would shit on this game so hard... =3=

[Commodus]

25 minutes ago, Nena360 said:

So Epic will not support mid-range devices? No wonder they did not release it on Google Play people would shit on this game so hard... =3=

For now, at least.  And maybe that's one of the unstated reasons.  It'd be guaranteed to take flak on the Play Store, either for not offering the game on lower-end hardware or (if it opened up support) for poor performance on slower phones.  It's something of a no-win situation.

[Nena Trinity]

12 minutes ago, Commodus said:

For now, at least.  And maybe that's one of the unstated reasons.  It'd be guaranteed to take flak on the Play Store, either for not offering the game on lower-end hardware or (if it opened up support) for poor performance on slower phones.  It's something of a no-win situation.

I just won a chicken dinner in PUBG:M with my my|phone myX8 which has a MT6739 so even with crap performance I can do it! My honor V9 Play runs it much better since it has a MT6750 but its to be expected with twice as many CPU & GPU cores.

[SaltySoySauce]

You could play on the Switch instead of a phone. A nintendo switch is about as expensive as a budget phone, and runs Fortnite pretty good, aswell as some other games.

 

EDIT: Also, the earlier iPhones had low res screens.