16 y/o deciding on building desktop or buying another laptop

[maplevirus]

I have a dilemma here and I was hoping one of you could help me out. I currently have a 'gaming' laptop that I purchased second hand from Kijiji for $800 (CAD) https://www.amazon.ca/Asus-GL503VD-Gaming-FireCuda-Keyboard/dp/B0753MSN75

The problem is that this laptop no longer satisfies my needs. The 1050 just can't deliver enough performance in modern-ish titles. I've been thinking of building a desktop, but then with the crazy gpu and ram prices is it even worth it? Would I really be able to build a desktop that highly outperforms this one for, say, $1200? I have a razer mouse and a mechanical keyboard from an older pre-built, but the cost of a decent monitor also has to be factored in here.. Is sacrificing portability worth the slightly better temperatures and performance?

 

[SpiralTTGL]

for 1200 Canadian? prob with an i5 and 1070

[hconverse02]

Save some more money, 1200 cad will get you like a 1060 6gb, but that's not really worth it over a 1050, you're still playing med/high 1080p

[Ezzy-525]

A Ryzen APU system would perform around the same and will give you a base build which you can throw in a high end card when the GPU prices (hopefully) drop.

[maplevirus]

Honestly, money isn't an issue, I make $300 a week and I have no bills to pay. I can put more money into it if needed.

Also, would waiting for the new 11 series graphics cards be worth it?

[hconverse02]

Just now, Ezzy-525 said:

A Ryzen APU system would perform around the same and will give you a base build which you can throw in a high end card when the GPU prices (hopefully) drop.

Not really

[hconverse02]

Just now, maplevirus said:

Honestly, money isn't an issue, I make $300 a week and I have no bills to pay. I can put more money into it if needed.

Also, would waiting for the new 11 series graphics cards be worth it?

Reply or @ someone to notify them  Also if you don't mind waiting 4-6 months, sure, otherwise now is a good time as any to get an msrp gpu

[GoldenLag]

PCPartPicker part list: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/6T4mD2
Price breakdown by merchant: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/6T4mD2/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor  ($223.95 @ Vuugo) 
Motherboard: ASRock - B360 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($129.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Memory: Team - Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($111.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Storage: Kingston - A400 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($45.50 @ Mike's Computer Shop) 
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB Video Card  ($369.50 @ Vuugo) 
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($86.99 @ PC-Canada) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($114.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Monitor: LG - 25UM58 25.0" 2560x1080 75Hz Monitor  ($199.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Total: $1282.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-05-28 08:18 EDT-0400

 

Includes monitor. Salvage HDD from the older prebuilt.

 

Sadly 83 CAD over. Sadly cant do better. Unless you are willing to drop to 4 core which you shouldnt

[.Apex.]

whats with all the misinformation here? 

 

10 minutes ago, Ezzy-525 said:

A Ryzen APU system would perform around the same and will give you a base build which you can throw in a high end card when the GPU prices (hopefully) drop.

no way a Ryzen APU is the same as a GTX 1050, the GTX 1050 is way faster.

 

13 minutes ago, hconverse02 said:

Save some more money, 1200 cad will get you like a 1060 6gb, but that's not really worth it over a 1050, you're still playing med/high 1080p

are you kidding me? more than double the performance is not worth it? you can max out any game with a GTX 1060 6gb at 1080p and still get 60+ FPS (way above 60 FPS even for most games, some of the AAA titles even reaching 100+ FPS at max settings on 1080P)

[Jurrunio]

5 minutes ago, Ezzy-525 said:

A Ryzen APU system would perform around the same and will give you a base build which you can throw in a high end card when the GPU prices (hopefully) drop.

Haha Ryzen APU can at best beat a 1030, still gets smoked by 1050.

 

4 minutes ago, maplevirus said:

Honestly, money isn't an issue, I make $300 a week and I have no bills to pay. I can put more money into it if needed.

Also, would waiting for the new 11 series graphics cards be worth it?

If you wait for the 11 series and wont pay the early adopter premium, that's more like buying at the end of this year... The GPU shortage left many gamers starved for a new graphics card, and GDDR6 memory used by them are not produced in enough numbers to deal with the demand (assuming mining dont kick in again).

 

If you're willing to buy used cards, the gtx 980 and 980ti are good options. Their performance equivalents are the 1060 and 1070. If you only get new stuff, you will need at least 1.3k (corners cut) preferably 1.7k budget.

[GoldenLag]

5 minutes ago, syn2112 said:

whats with all the misinformation here? 

Boggles me aswell............

[maplevirus]

4 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

PCPartPicker part list: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/6T4mD2
Price breakdown by merchant: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/6T4mD2/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor  ($223.95 @ Vuugo) 
Motherboard: ASRock - B360 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($129.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Memory: Team - Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($111.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Storage: Kingston - A400 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($45.50 @ Mike's Computer Shop) 
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB Video Card  ($369.50 @ Vuugo) 
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($86.99 @ PC-Canada) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($114.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Monitor: LG - 25UM58 25.0" 2560x1080 75Hz Monitor  ($199.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Total: $1282.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-05-28 08:18 EDT-0400

 

Includes monitor. Salvage HDD from the older prebuilt.

 

Sadly 83 CAD over. Sadly cant do better. Unless you are willing to drop to 4 core which you shouldnt

Wow thank you..
would you recommend I pour a bit more money into the ram? I usually like to have lots of things open at once

[Jurrunio]

6 minutes ago, syn2112 said:

you can max out any game with a GTX 1060 6gb at 1080p and still get 60+ FPS (way above 60 FPS even for most games, some of them reaching 100+ FPS at max settings on 1080P)

This bit is an overstatement though. My 1070 struggles to do that even though its clock speed isnt the highest of 1070s.

[maplevirus]

Just now, Jurrunio said:

This bit is an overstatement though. My 1070 struggles to do that even though its clock speed isnt the highest of 1070s.

How much more would a 1070 cost me? and if I go with a 1070 I guess I have to upgrade the cpu and psu aswell?

[Jurrunio]

1 minute ago, maplevirus said:

Wow thank you..
would you recommend I pour a bit more money into the ram? I usually like to have lots of things open at once

If you can pour money, push to an i7, get a 500GB SATA SSD and 16GB of RAM. B360 motherboards can use up to 2666MHz RAM, so dont need to go for higher frequency ones specifically.

[GoldenLag]

4 minutes ago, maplevirus said:

Wow thank you..
would you recommend I pour a bit more money into the ram? I usually like to have lots of things open at once

If you can, but 8GB should work fine for now. Windows will page file browser windows. Made a within budget variant with better SSD, different case, slighly worse but suffiecient PSU, and sadly a 4 core CPU

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/JFfjHh
Price breakdown by merchant: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/JFfjHh/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1400 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($169.99 @ Memory Express) 
Motherboard: MSI - B350 PC MATE ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($105.50 @ Vuugo) 
Memory: Team - Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($111.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($90.39 @ shopRBC) 
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB Video Card  ($369.50 @ Vuugo) 
Case: Cougar - MX330 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($54.95 @ Vuugo) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($79.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Monitor: LG - 25UM58 25.0" 2560x1080 75Hz Monitor  ($199.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Total: $1182.30
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-05-28 08:31 EDT-0400

[.Apex.]

5 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

This bit is an overstatement though. My 1070 struggles to do that even though its clock speed isnt the highest of 1070s.

i saw lots of benchmarks with a GTX 1060 because i was interested in buying it before, weird that a GTX 1070 struggles with 1080P

i know it says 3GB but there's 6GB benchmarks aswell, this is the most recent benchmark video that i can trust.

the average for all these games is 87 FPS

[GoldenLag]

6 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

If you can pour money, push to an i7, get a 500GB SATA SSD and 16GB of RAM. B360 motherboards can use up to 2666MHz RAM, so dont need to go for higher frequency ones specifically.

3000mhz ram costs 3 CAD extra so he might aswell....... With 4 GB modules that is

[Jurrunio]

6 minutes ago, maplevirus said:

How much more would a 1070 cost me? and if I go with a 1070 I guess I have to upgrade the cpu and psu aswell?

1070 and something like an 8700k wont draw more than 450w in a whole system with a hefty overclock, so 550w units are enough. It's not as good value as the 1070ti though, so I'd rather have 1070ti and use it for longer. Even then, a 550w PSU will do

[Ezzy-525]

21 minutes ago, syn2112 said:

whats with all the misinformation here? 

 

no way a Ryzen APU is the same as a GTX 1050, the GTX 1050 is way faster.

 

20 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Haha Ryzen APU can at best beat a 1030, still gets smoked by 1050.

 

16 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Boggles me aswell............

Well I appear to me misinformed. My apologies. I was getting confused with the 1030.

[GoldenLag]

3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

1070 and something like an 8700k wont draw more than 450w in a whole system with a hefty overclock, so 550w units are enough. It's not as good value as the 1070ti though, so I'd rather have 1070ti and use it for longer. Even then, a 550w PSU will do

He will have to upp his budget quite a bit to fit that kind of caliber PC

 

Also the monitor i suggested is a IPS ultrawider 1080p monitor eunning at 75 hz

[Nocte]

If you can live with your laptop a bit longer, I would wait for the 1160.

[Jurrunio]

3 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

He will have to upp his budget quite a bit to fit that kind of caliber PC

 

Also the monitor i suggested is a IPS ultrawider 1080p monitor eunning at 75 hz

I didnt recommend 8700k, but just to serve as the highest power draw scenario. My recommendation will be the locked 8700.

 

12 minutes ago, syn2112 said:

i saw lots of benchmarks with a GTX 1060 because i was interested in buying it before, weird that a GTX 1070 struggles with 1080P

 

i know it says 3GB but there's 6GB benchmarks aswell, this is the most recent benchmark video that i can trust.

the average for all these games is 87 FPS

Minimum frame rates are much more important than averages. Just looking at the 1% lows, 1060 6GB always dip below 60 fps with cranked settings, not so pleasant.

[.Apex.]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

Minimum frame rates are much more important than averages. Just looking at the 1% lows, 1060 6GB always dip below 60 fps with cranked settings, not so pleasant.

i agree but its pretty easy to find a sweet spot by turning down something instead of crazy maxed out, hammers your GPU for no reason in my opinion

[maplevirus]

11 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

He will have to upp his budget quite a bit to fit that kind of caliber PC

 

Also the monitor i suggested is a IPS ultrawider 1080p monitor eunning at 75 hz

would you recommend this over a 144hz tn panel?