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Apple II case SCAM

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Hello, 

I wanted to make this post to see if anyone has any information about the Apple II themed case from Indiegogo.  

I had purchased the case before Linus's video went live and was wondering if anyone had more information about the campaign creator.

I had backed the project on January 11th and at that time the campaign was around 50% payed through.   The day before the campaign was coming to an end I believe the completion was at 85%. The next day when I checked the campaign was a success and I began the waiting game.   I originally saw the case on the 8-bit-guy channel on this video @ the 3:30 mark,

Then there was communication from the owner on January 31, stating that the campaign was a success and that line space was being freed up for the case.   

 

Next he stated that he had to re create the mold for the case lid, because it would not support the claimed 15Kg and that this was the reason that he had missed the February ship date. 

 

Following that he released a statement saying " A new shipping date was confirmed on April 21 and that the linux video was about to go live". 

 

After this there was a notification about the Linus video and a link posted on the campaign site. 

 

THEN....... Nothing.  No communication at all, Ghosted for a month.  The general consensuses among the  101 backers is that this was a scam and nothing more. 

as far as I can tell there are only a few, maybe 3, 3-D printed cases that were sent out as demos and that is it.  

 

If there is any information about where the campaign owner is located or how people can get hold of him please let me know as I want to know if I should protest the charge with my bank or if a case will show up sometime in the future. In any case I hope that maybe you had fun reading about this saga and all of the information that is out there.  Thanks for reading. 

Links to the campaign,

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/raadition-apple-ii-in-back-retro-computer-case/x/3860185#/updates/all

The project Twitter

 https://twitter.com/Raadition_flag

 

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15 minutes ago, ZcanKal said:

They may still be having issues and don't want to talk about them.

 

According to the explanation of @ApexIndustrial, they aren’t responding for a long while now.

 

I mean... come on... that’s simply not done. As a company you should at least have the decency to keep your customers (in this case: your backers, the ones that paid good money for the product, the ones who made it possible to manufacture the case) informed about the situation/progress/lack of progress.

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27 minutes ago, ZcanKal said:

They may still be having issues and don't want to talk about them.

If that is happening, then I feel like they would have released an update.  They missed the original release date and updated the backers right away. They are a month off now and not a word.   I hope that you are right, but I can't help but feel we were all taken.  The backer, Linus and all the viewers.   

 

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On ‎2018‎-‎05‎-‎14 at 4:22 PM, ApexIndustrial said:

I would like to add that I have reached out to the @linustech twitter a few times now and gotten no response.  I feel like I am in the twilight zone and everyone is ignoring the issue. 

 

Tag him on the forums as well. You're more likely to get a response here than through the LinusTech Twitter handle. 

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On 5/19/2018 at 1:07 PM, Bcat00 said:

That's why you shouldn't buy nothing but a promise.

 

I will admit that backing anything online is a gamble,  but when I saw 2 legitimate creators making videos with the product, I felt safer. 

Especially when Linus is not afraid to call out bullshit products and terrible kickstarter campaigns. @CPotter  @LinusTech

 

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Crowdsourcing is basically gambling, only invest into it if you're ok with losing your money and potentially not getting anything back in return.

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I'd start a charge back immediately. Also see if you can file a complaint with Indiegogo.

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i can do a bit more research in what the creators have been up to, what they have been posting on social media, stuff like that

it's not that hard, get their names and google them, you get all sorts of into on them

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8 hours ago, Sierra Fox said:

maybe I'm missing something, but what does Linus have to do with this? just because he got a sample/prototype unit doesnt mean he's in constant contact with the people making it.

Linus promoted the product.   I'm not insinuating that he is somehow responsible for paying everyone back if this is a scam, but people bought into the campaign after his video went up on youtube.  From what I remember the donations went up another 6-8 thousand dollars after the video came out.   Maybe Linus does have a way to contact the elusive Mr. Wang,  if so, what is he saying?  Did he underestimate production times? Was there more interest than he expected? Is there any case at all?

 

IF THIS WAS A SCAM FROM THE BEGINNING  Linus got played, just like the 8-Bit-Guy, just like everyone else.  There might be a lesson to be learned here for everyone. 

 

If LMG has reached out to Mr. Wang and had no response, I feel like they should add an annotation to their video, or send out a tweet or something. Saying that they believe that this is be a scam, and those involved should take action to recoup their losses if possible. 

 

I know that Linus and LMG are not my personal financial safety net.  I bought into this product with my money, and if I never get it back than that sucks hard, but that's what happens when you back stuff on the internet from a guy who is clearly from China, saying he is from San Francisco.  I just feel like LMG may have played a part in this guys scam by promoting the product, and the fact that no one is getting back to me about this makes things more frustrating. 

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17 hours ago, Salv8 (sam) said:

i can do a bit more research in what the creators have been up to, what they have been posting on social media, stuff like that

it's not that hard, get their names and google them, you get all sorts of into on them

I have spent some time looking.  As far as I can tell EVERYTHING is fake, or just has not been touched in 2 months.  

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7 hours ago, ApexIndustrial said:

I have spent some time looking.  As far as I can tell EVERYTHING is fake, or just has not been touched in 2 months.  

the name "Zhuofei Wang" leads to a Chinese scientist that currently is working in Germany

no leads there...

his first language is differently not English as there are many grammatical and spelling errors in his posts

just by the way he talks he looks to be Asian maybe Chinese as it looks like Chinglish (badly translated Chinese to English)

i tried to look at the campaign video but it was taken down, i used archive.org to try and access it that way but had no luck

his email is valid but looks like it was done via those temp email sites...

checking his twitter again he speaks french (not Chinese like i thought) and looks to come from france

unfortunately thats all i can find... thats not a lot to go on but it's better than before

annoying and consolingly though, he really has tried to cover his tracks (quite well i might add) often scammers leave that one thing that makes them identifiable but this dude must be a pro as there isn't much...

leading me to believe that he has done this many times and not gotten caught...

maybe have a look into scams that had a french origin, that may lead somewhere...

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yeah.... guy abruptly went missing right after answering my question. (more than a month ago)

Whats the probability of the guy biting the dust or something?

Cuz this is a one-man-project, so i'm not sure he had any1 who'd take over the project in his stead.

 

Either way if nothing happens for a while.... i might start getting crafty.....

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8 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Don't preorder/crowdfund easy as that

 

Crowdfunding is a nice initiative, however I would never participate in such funding practices simply for this reason.

It's unfortunate that a few bad apples spoil it for all of the others...

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3 minutes ago, Christophe Corazza said:

 

Crowdfunding is a nice initiative, however I would never participate in such funding practices simply for this reason.

It's unfortunate that a few bad apples spoil it for all of the others...

I get it apples

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16 hours ago, Christophe Corazza said:

 

Crowdfunding is a nice initiative, however I would never participate in such funding practices simply for this reason.

It's unfortunate that a few bad apples spoil it for all of the others...

True, like with the most things in life TBH

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I reached out to The 8-bit guy, and he no longer has the contact information of the person who gave him the case for the review.   Side note he also does not have the case anymore as he gave it to another youtuber.  Still no contact form the campaigner or @LinusTech / anyone at LTT that could give me contact info. 

 

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3 minutes ago, LinusTech said:

I just checked with Anthony and all we have is an email address.............

Yeah… This is horrifying. We only really have the e-mail address we used to contact him, and possibly the address we got the prototype from (though that's not likely to help either, as it's in China). The existence of prototypes was what made us confident in moving forward on this one… I mean, why go to all that trouble for a scam? Man… The 8-Bit Guy's got to be feeling pretty bad about this, too…

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Hello guys,

 Is the email l_enkidu_l@163.com ?

 

That is the email that he has on his indiegogo page. They have been less than helpful in finding a resolution. (as in not helpful at all and taking no responsibility)  I understand that crowdfunding is never a definite, however; if there have been 0 updates in two months, and the original due date is past four months, I feel like The crowdfunding site should disable new pledges, but that is just me and I don't work for a crowdfunding site. 

 

This guy has had 0 contact with the backers after your video went live.   If he did have no intention of making the case and just taking peoples money, this is an impressive scam.

 

I contacted the 8-bit guy he felt as though it was going to become a product as well due to the fact that he was sent a prototype. 

 

Sorry that you got wrapped up in this, just thought that you should know what is happening. I hope that this does not become something that is common. I tried my best to chronicle what happened in my original post.  

 

Thanks for getting back to me,  I just want to make sure that more people do not lose their money this way. 

 

 

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