The current state of the desktop PC market is appalling.

[minervx]

4 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

What do advancements in cameras or mobile devices have to do with the PC industry?

I figured that since companies have manufactured millions of tiny cheap cameras that they could end up in monitors?  Or that many power supplies by now would have a battery that ensured the computer wouldn't completely shut off if there was disconnection for any reason?  Or that power supplies for lower-end gaming PC's in general wouldn't have the volume of an entire laptop.  There are more examples for sure, but I think I made my point clear.

[Drak3]

2 minutes ago, minervx said:

  I just think it's really odd that PC's have reaped very few benefits from all these other tech industries revolutionizing.  I originally thought some of this technology would be worked into PC's, but I was wrong.

That technology brings no benefit to the PC market.

 

To liken it to cars, it'd be like Toyota adding a second rear axle and changing the gear ratio to support towing in the Camry because that if beneficial to semi trucks.

[veli2501]

8 minutes ago, minervx said:

There are a lot of gamers out there that aren't enthusiasts and don't go on forums like this that would like to build a PC but won't because of one reason or another.  

I was building PCs before I was on forums (started using forums at the age of 16, am now 33) and before I was an "enthusiast"

 

If someone wants to build a PC there is very little stopping them.  I learnt at age 12 and it was a fair bit harder back then that it is today.

[App4that]

1 minute ago, minervx said:

The majority of them.  I think PC enthusiasts surround themselves with other PC enthusiasts and assume a lot more people share their values because they surround themselves with similar minded people.  This is basically like Gearslutz.

The PC gaming market has segmented. Those who don't build buy laptops (the vast majority), Boutique, or cheap prebuilt. Those looking for a desktop gaming experience primarily build. The market responded to that shift by offering the options you see. 

 

I honestly don't know where you're looking you don't see them.

[Crunchy Dragon]

2 minutes ago, App4that said:

The PC gaming market has segmented. Those who don't build buy laptops (the vast majority), Boutique, or cheap prebuilt. Those looking for a desktop gaming experience primarily build. The market responded to that shift by offering the options you see. 

 

I honestly don't know where you're looking you don't see them.

This ^^^^^^

 

A majority of gamers actually build their own rigs, which is why it's so popular. Just look up "gaming computer" on Craigslist, you'll get a lot of listings for used gaming rigs. Gamers build their own rigs because they learned that it's better than buying prebuilt.

[Drak3]

7 minutes ago, minervx said:

Or that many power supplies by now would have a battery that ensured the computer wouldn't completely shut off if there was disconnection for any reason?

Those exist. They're expensive. A standard UPS is a better solution: it also powers the monitor.

7 minutes ago, minervx said:

Or that power supplies for lower-end gaming PC's in general wouldn't have the volume of an entire laptop.

Low end power supplies are pretty small: the fan largely dictates the size.

 

7 minutes ago, minervx said:

tiny cheap cameras that they could end up in monitors?

That adds complexity to the monitor that not everyone is willing to pay for, plus those wouldn't be adjustable in relation to the screen. There's also privacy concerns to that.

 

7 minutes ago, minervx said:

I think I made my point clear.

Yeah, you take issue with non issues.

[minervx]

3 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

This ^^^^^^

 

A majority of gamers actually build their own rigs, which is why it's so popular. Just look up "gaming computer" on Craigslist, you'll get a lot of listings for used gaming rigs. Gamers build their own rigs because they learned that it's better than buying prebuilt.

 

Gamers in general or just PC gamers?  Are DIY PC's + Prebuilt PC's w/ a video card outselling consoles?

[Crunchy Dragon]

Just now, minervx said:

Gamers in general or just PC gamers?  Are DIY PC's + Prebuilt PC's outselling consoles?

I would have thought it would be obvious that I'm talking about PC gamers.

[Drak3]

1 minute ago, minervx said:

Gamers in general or just PC gamers?

Tell us how building your own PS4 goes.

[Oggy]

 

12 minutes ago, minervx said:

This is basically like Gearslutz.

Nah people on Gearslutz have money.

[Crunchy Dragon]

Just now, Drak3 said:

Tell us how building your own PS4 goes.

It might actually be possible, if you can get a copy of whatever OS they run...

[App4that]

1 minute ago, minervx said:

 

Gamers in general or just PC gamers?  Are DIY PC's + Prebuilt PC's w/ a video card outselling consoles?

There are more users on Steam than console, though that comparison is flawed as a lot of gamers, myself included, game on both 

[minervx]

2 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Those exist. They're expensive. A standard UPS is a better solution: it also powers the monitor.

That's the point.  Everything exists for the PC.  But they're just not implemented because the consumer has to buy everything separately, whereas with mobile markets, a lot of things are already included in the motherboard. 

[Crunchy Dragon]

Just now, minervx said:

with mobile markets, a lot of things are already included in the motherboard. 

Because it has to be in order to remain mobile.

[minervx]

 

1 minute ago, App4that said:

There are more users on Steam than console, though that comparison is flawed as a lot of gamers, myself included, game on both 

Yeah but most of them are using $300 laptops with integrated graphics.  

[Crunchy Dragon]

Just now, minervx said:

Yeah but most of them are using $300 laptops with integrated graphics.  

I'm curious as to how you know this. Everyone I know that plays Steam games is playing on a decent gaming rig, and I know fair amount of people that are on Steam.

[App4that]

Just now, minervx said:

 

Yeah but most of them are using $300 laptops with integrated graphics.  

Not anymore. Low end graphics cards still top the charts, but discrete cards have taken over.

[Drak3]

Just now, Crunchy Dragon said:

It might actually be possible, if you can get a copy of whatever OS they run...

Unix.

 

Forked from either FreeBSD or Darwin. I don't remember which.

1 minute ago, minervx said:

whereas with mobile markets, a lot of things are already included in the motherboard. 

Probably because with mobile, many of these things are not only beneficial, but required.

 

Whereas with desktops, what is beneficial has options, what isn't, also probably has options (just harder to find), but none of it is required.

[minervx]

I'm going to end my comments here.  I made my case.  There's not much else to argue about.  The vast majority of this forum differ with me in their values, and that's fine.

[Razor Blade]

 

2 minutes ago, minervx said:

 

Yeah but most of them are using $300 laptops with integrated graphics.  

a $300 laptop won't play a lot of my steam library.

[Drak3]

Just now, Razor Blade said:

 

a $300 laptop won't play a lot of my steam library.

There's one game that my $2,500 laptop won't play.

[Crunchy Dragon]

Just now, minervx said:

I'm going to end my comments here.  I made my case.  There's not much more to argue aboue.  The vast majority of this forum differ with me in their values, and that's fine.

We can't make you understand our logic.

 

Also, we few that have participated in this thread do not represent the majority of the forum. You'll find that we're just a tiny handful out of the users that have registered here.

[Crunchy Dragon]

Just now, Drak3 said:

There's one game that my $2,500 laptop won't play.

PUBG?

[Phentos]

RGB optical drives when? 

[Drak3]

1 minute ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

PUBG?

Spoiler

You had this coming.

Spoiler

Spoiler

No.