Dutch tapping law to be reconsiderd

[Levisallanon]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-netherlands-referendum/dutch-say-no-in-referendum-on-spy-agency-tapping-powers-idUSKBN1GX0QU

A while ago a new law was introduced in the netherlands which allowed for a lot more freedom for the security agency. They could now tap about everything they wanted. After a lot of protests a referendum was called for which was held yesterday. With almost all votes counted it seems there is a very slight inclination to "no" but the results are almost 50/50.

Personally I was one of the "yes" voters while I believe a new law was needed because the last law originated from the 1980's and internet wasn't a consideration then. But the law was a bit to open on part, still personally I believe it was better then having nothing. But I can also see the reasons why people would vote "no". But it seems the results we are getting now are the best for both parties as the dutch government is considering reevaluating the law and making changes too it. This isn't 100% sure yet but it's going to be interesting to see what this will result in. And hopefully the Dutch can once again set a good example on how to balance security and privacy.

Any other dutch people here who want to weigh in on the discussion or other people who want to voice their opinions?

[RollinLower]

i personally voted "no", but pretty much for the same reasons as you

 

i do think that a well throught-out law would be the best option here, but if the choice was between that law or nothing, then my vote goes to nothing hands down. there where just too many holes in it. i get that if they can just tap everything, they can also easier filter out the bad stuff, but that also means they can just always tap everything! no reasons needed, just tap away. 

imo that isn't the solution to this. i sure hope they go and reform the law to better fit what the people want.

 

best bijzonder om over nederlandse wetten te praten tegen nederlandse mensen in het engels trouwens.

[Levisallanon]

2 minutes ago, RollinLower said:

i personally voted "no", but pretty much for the same reasons as you

 

i do think that a well throught-out law would be the best option here, but if the choice was between that law or nothing, then my vote goes to nothing hands down. there where just too many holes in it. i get that if they can just tap everything, they can also easier filter out the bad stuff, but that also means they can just always tap everything! no reasons needed, just tap away. 

imo that isn't the solution to this. i sure hope they go and reform the law to better fit what the people want.

 

best bijzonder om over nederlandse wetten te praten tegen nederlandse mensen in het engels trouwens.

Yeah I also wanted reforms, but personally I prefered to have something (even this) instead of nothing :). but I think most people who voted wanted it to be changed. To bad there was no option for that.

[ARikozuM]

16 minutes ago, Genericplane said:

i first read this as  "duck taping law to be reconsiderd"

This is a danger to Canada's main pastime. 

[Blebekblebek]

Agency: There's a guy who's going to make weapon deal for AK 47 and M4, and he even ask for custom paint job for it, let's swat him.

20mnts later

FREEEEZE, You are under arrest for buying illegal weapons and suspicious terrorist activity.

 

The guy: " I'm playing CS:GO "

[asus killer]

it's never god to give someone or something unlimited and unchecked power

 

“It’s not that our country is unsafe, it’s that this law will make it safer,” OMG 

[Donut417]

At least they ask permission. The NSA and CIA just do what they want. The law be damned. 

[samcool55]

Why do they even want this? In the last 10 years there was exacly 1 "attack" in the netherlands and there were 0 victims. WTF is this law going to change about that? 

 

About the attack, a few hitler fans threw molotov cocktails in a mosque and nobody got hurt. (dutch source) https://nos.nl/artikel/2139914-vier-jaar-voor-brandstichting-met-terreuroogmerk-moskee-enschede.html

 

Yeah we really need laws like this to protect us from a handful of neo-nazi's... /s

[dionkoffie]

I voted no too. Yes the current law might be from 1980 or something, but the new suggested law has a few holes on it. I voted no in the hope they reconsider the new law and change it. Change it and make it better and then we'll see.

 

Arjan Lubach ftw  

[LeChef]

I voted against as well. The current wording of the law is too flawed, not enough privacy guarentees in there. Come back and fix the law, then I can vote yes on not having a terribly outdated law.