Show off your old and retro computer parts

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1 minute ago, Mel0nMan said:

Same, my workstation is my only 2011 board with PCI - the rest are 775, or the internal PCI bus of my 98 laptop. 

And that Asus board is the 'aesthetic' green PCB for retro stuff. You could run a proper Sound Blaster sound card in it with enough GPU/CPU horsepower for really high resolution game emulation and have the good good period correct sounds to go with it.

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36 minutes ago, Bitter said:

Ok ok ok hear me out.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/354112962236

It's got a PCI slot!?! How cool is that to see on very modern hardware! That's pretty cool, to me.

It also has 2x serial ports. Admittedly though even my MSI X570S Torpedo Max has one (and I do have a Z87 board that is mostly PCI).

4 minutes ago, Bitter said:

And that Asus board is the 'aesthetic' green PCB for retro stuff. You could run a proper Sound Blaster sound card in it with enough GPU/CPU horsepower for really high resolution game emulation and have the good good period correct sounds to go with it.

Problem is getting the drivers to work with newer versions of Windows - custom/community drivers require a lot of fiddling to get working (I should know - for a while I was running SLI Voodoo2 with my GXT 970, and tried my Live Value).

Edit: Some PCIe soundcards do support EAX as well so no need to go that old. Though my Xonar DSX really is quite an old design - 2010 DS with PCIe bridge.

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9 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

It also has 2x serial ports. Admittedly though even my MSI X570S Torpedo Max has one (and I do have a Z87 board that is mostly PCI).

Problem is getting the drivers to work with newer versions of Windows - custom/community drivers require a lot of fiddling to get working (I should know - for a while I was running SLI Voodoo2 with my GXT 970, and tried my Live Value).

Edit: Some PCIe soundcards do support EAX as well so no need to go that old. Though my Xonar DSX really is quite an old design - 2010 DS with PCIe bridge.

The MSI AIO PC I picked up cheap is 10th gen and has serial ports too, I think it's so you can use it with cash registers or older check/credit card machines.

The H81M-C/CSM is a good cheap 4th gen board if you need parallel, serial, and PCI slot. However due to kind of jank Asus BIOS I think they'll only work with non refresh Haswell CPU's so pair carefully.

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8 minutes ago, Bitter said:

The MSI AIO PC I picked up cheap is 10th gen and has serial ports too, I think it's so you can use it with cash registers or older check/credit card machines.

The H81M-C/CSM is a good cheap 4th gen board if you need parallel, serial, and PCI slot. However due to kind of jank Asus BIOS I think they'll only work with non refresh Haswell CPU's so pair carefully.

This is the (not in use) board I have, with support for 4790K (just not broadwell):

4x PCI, 1x COM/Serial, 1x LPT/Parallel
GA-Z87P-D3 (rev. 1.x) Overview | Motherboard - GIGABYTE Global

 

Gave my friend my H97 HD3 as an upgrade.

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3 hours ago, Bitter said:

Ok ok ok hear me out.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/354112962236

It's got a PCI slot!?! How cool is that to see on very modern hardware! That's pretty cool, to me.

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/CSM/Pro-Q470M-C-CSM/

 

Just in case you wanted to to look at the specs

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4 hours ago, SimplyChunk said:

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/CSM/Pro-Q470M-C-CSM/

 

Just in case you wanted to to look at the specs

That would be a great board for a shop PC.

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It's more beautiful than I ever imagined:

Plus cameo from a Pentium 4 mobo box.

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Not a single sign of tarnishing - hasn't been opened in the ~18 years since it was manufactured:

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The package difference between the standard and LE explains why I can't clock the LE as high. 5600xt ain't getting the new cooler as it pushed an SMD cap off its pad:

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Baller:

OG paste was foil sealed - actually in better conditon then the big tube. Not separating.

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And installed. An extremely good Windows 98 PC, and passable under XP if not playing DX9 games. 2GB RAM, Sempron 2800+, FX5700...and the Voodoo for the old stuff (mainly Diablo 2 and buggy games).

 

 

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@juretrn a MMX? I have a first gen pentium 4

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2 hours ago, OQO said:

@juretrn a MMX? I have a first gen pentium 4

478, Willamette? The super rare ones from '00-01? 

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13 minutes ago, Mel0nMan said:

478, Willamette? The super rare ones from '00-01? 

I'll have to see if its from 01 but its a 478 Willamette

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19 minutes ago, Mel0nMan said:

478, Willamette? The super rare ones from '00-01? 

I went digging In old reddit posts currently don't wanna pull it out of its system due to I have no thermal paste on hand but tomorrow I'll be Able to

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I have a laptop with one, battery is super dead. 1.4ghz I believe.

[da na]

Just bought an i5-480m for $10 to upgrade one of my daily use laptops. 

Anyone know what the two packages are on these first gen Core chips? 

Spoiler

As far as I can tell it is laptop and desktop. I assume one is the actual CPU cores, and the other is iGPU, memory management, etc? FSB speed is controlled on-chip on these Core series IIRC so perhaps has to do with that.

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4 minutes ago, Mel0nMan said:

Just bought an i5-480m for $10 to upgrade one of my daily use laptops. 

Anyone know what the two packages are on these first gen Core chips? 

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As far as I can tell it is laptop and desktop. I assume one is the actual CPU cores, and the other is iGPU, memory management, etc? FSB speed is controlled on-chip on these Core series IIRC so perhaps has to do with that.

Hidden content is broken. I've had a few of these CPU's out before, one is the CPU and it's associated things and the other is the iGPU by itself I believe. Also, why not the 580m to gain the AES-NI, it really felt like it sped up things taking a bunch of cryptography load off the conventional CPU cores. Are you coming from an i3 370M? Sadly the graphics in the 580m are lacking a lot of very basic modern features, can't even run games like OpenRA anymore!

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13 minutes ago, Bitter said:

Hidden content is broken. I've had a few of these CPU's out before, one is the CPU and it's associated things and the other is the iGPU by itself I believe. Also, why not the 580m to gain the AES-NI, it really felt like it sped up things taking a bunch of cryptography load off the conventional CPU cores. Are you coming from an i3 370M? Sadly the graphics in the 580m are lacking a lot of very basic modern features, can't even run games like OpenRA anymore!

Not sure how the 480M stacks up to the 580M, but my E4310 has a 580M and my god do the graphics leave a lot to be desired.

Unrelated, if anyone knows where I can get my hands on restore images for an E4310, ideally for XP, please lemme know. Trying to get XP set up on mine for keks and I'm having a hell of a time with drivers, and unfortunately there's nothing on archive.org for it. Vista and maybe even 7 would be cool but I'm mainly interested in XP.

 

EDIT: I'm also dumb, now that I think about it I bet a lot of the issues I'm having with drivers not working as intended is because I was trying to use XP x64 on account of it having 8GB of RAM and wanting to go full baller-mode. Bet if I used regular ol XP I'd have better luck.

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11 minutes ago, Bitter said:

Hidden content is broken. I've had a few of these CPU's out before, one is the CPU and it's associated things and the other is the iGPU by itself I believe. Also, why not the 580m to gain the AES-NI, it really felt like it sped up things taking a bunch of cryptography load off the conventional CPU cores. Are you coming from an i3 370M? Sadly the graphics in the 580m are lacking a lot of very basic modern features, can't even run games like OpenRA anymore!

I'm coming from an i5-450m, AFAIK the 480m is the highest this laptop can support. And a 580m is 3-4x the price. This laptop will be the one I take to class on days I don't feel like carrying my 8lb, 17 inch Precision (3rd gen i7) so instead bring this laptop half its weight but equally intimidating and thick. It'll handle demanding tasks like Word on the 1366x768 screen so graphics aren't an issue

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1 minute ago, flibberdipper said:

Not sure how the 480M stacks up to the 580M, but my E4310 has a 580M and my god do the graphics leave a lot to be desired.

Unrelated, if anyone knows where I can get my hands on restore images for an E4310, ideally for XP, please lemme know. Trying to get XP set up on mine for keks and I'm having a hell of a time with drivers, and unfortunately there's nothing on archive.org for it.

Support for Latitude E4310 | Drivers & Downloads | Dell US

Not much help if you specifically need the restore disk but here's the drivers, should be able to preload any SATA drivers. 

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3 minutes ago, Mel0nMan said:

Support for Latitude E4310 | Drivers & Downloads | Dell US

Not much help if you specifically need the restore disk but here's the drivers, should be able to preload any SATA drivers. 

If you see the edit I just added in I think it'd make more sense. I actually have all of the drivers for XP on up through 7 saved, just more of an issue trying to get the damn things to work correctly.

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7 minutes ago, Mel0nMan said:

I'm coming from an i5-450m, AFAIK the 480m is the highest this laptop can support. And a 580m is 3-4x the price. This laptop will be the one I take to class on days I don't feel like carrying my 8lb, 17 inch Precision (3rd gen i7) so instead bring this laptop half its weight but equally intimidating and thick. It'll handle demanding tasks like Word on the 1366x768 screen so graphics aren't an issue

Which laptop? I've had reasonable luck with Dell laptops upgrading from i3 370m to i5 580m. As long as it's a HM55/57 or QM57 chipset I'm pretty confident it would just work, regardless of what was available at the time. The 580m is older than the 480m so logic would dictate that it would be in the BIOS and work.

Prices must have jumped, I think I paid like $25 shipped for the 580m for my mom's laptop and about the same a few years prior for mine.  Anyway, AES-NI is a 5 to 10 times performance increase in cryptographic processing power, HTTPS, Wifi, SSL,  and pretty much everything else is using AES and this hardware instruction set lets the CPU just FLY through that data with almost no CPU load or power use. I can't give you exact figures because I also changed up clock speeds but going from i3 370m without AES-NI to i5 580m with it was a massive difference handling anything with encrpytion.  I'm not sure the couple hundred mhz difference between the 450 and 480 is worth the effort of installation, even if it was only $10. 

 

Also still annoyed they couldn't get a 4 core CPU in this gen for laptops, but I guess it would have been outside the power budget of 35W.

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1 minute ago, Bitter said:

Which laptop? I've had reasonable luck with Dell laptops upgrading from i3 370m to i5 580m. As long as it's a HM55/57 or QM57 chipset I'm pretty confident it would just work, regardless of what was available at the time. The 580m is older than the 480m so logic would dictate that it would be in the BIOS and work.

Prices must have jumped, I think I paid like $25 shipped for the 580m for my mom's laptop and about the same a few years prior for mine.  Anyway, AES-NI is a 5 to 10 times performance increase in cryptographic processing power, HTTPS, Wifi, SSL,  and pretty much everything else is using AES and this hardware instruction set lets the CPU just FLY through that data with almost no CPU load or power use. I can't give you exact figures because I also changed up clock speeds but going from i3 370m without AES-NI to i5 580m with it was a massive difference handling anything with encrpytion.  I'm not sure the couple hundred mhz difference between the 450 and 480 is worth the effort of installation, even if it was only $10. 

 

Also still annoyed they couldn't get a 4 core CPU in this gen for laptops, but I guess it would have been outside the power budget of 35W.

It's an HP ProBook 4520s. I have had worse experience with HP laptops than Dell laptops when it comes to upgrades.

There were i7s in the same architecture with 4 cores but most laptop chipsets won't support them. I've seen the 'lower end' ones in Latitudes and the Extreme Editions in Precisions though.

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9 minutes ago, Mel0nMan said:

It's an HP ProBook 4520s. I have had worse experience with HP laptops than Dell laptops when it comes to upgrades.

There were i7s in the same architecture with 4 cores but most laptop chipsets won't support them. I've seen the 'lower end' ones in Latitudes and the Extreme Editions in Precisions though.

Oh yea HP sucks for compatibility LOL. Same time period but different arch I thought, Nehalem vs Westmere and a corresponding bump from a 35W TDP to a 45 or 55W TDP.  Same package, same time period, different arch and process. 32nm vs 45nm. I did a bunch of research into that before I got the 580m for my laptop just to make sure I could not run a 4 core and while it might plug in and it might boot and run, it would probably either hit a VRM throttle limit, damage the VRM, or frequently thermal throttle out of turbo and possibly to or under base clock.